Does God Follow the Ten Commandments?

[SoulGrind]

herein lies the problem, as you stated above, you don't see. instead of coming here and trying to argue apologetics, you need to try to see, first. if you want to come here and seriously ask questions so you can understand and begin to see, we'll be glad to accomodate you. for you to say, that a sentence in the bible, stands on its' own. shows a lack of knowledge. some christians try this, especially the tv evangelists, which i personally have a lot of disagreements with. (which by the way, don't judge God or christians by that lot, you see on tv.) taking just one verse and trying to pass it off as a proof text, so you can justify your opinion, doesn't work with those that truly study the bible. you can't take a verse out of context and assign a defination of your own. it won't get you where you are trying to go. you can't change scripture and you can't change God, and you won't change an educated, dedicated christian. as for whether prayers are answered or not, they are, and as a non-believer, you are not in a position to determine whether they are or not. i have had many prayers answered, sometimes, the answer is not what i wanted, but it was answered. sometimes, often actually, the answer does not come back as quickly as i would like. but prayers are always answered. now i would believe, if someone prays an improper prayer, either it is no, or it may go unanswered. you can't pray for silly things or selfish things. that is improper. prayer is another thing you pass judgement on without, seeing or understanding what it is you are denying.

as a non-believer, there are many things you will not see, or understand, your eyes are closed to the miracles and grace of God. i am going to quote you a verse, it is in context, and i am giving you the chapter and verse, so you can read it yourself. Romans, ch;3 v-3-4, For what if some did not believe? will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? certainly not! indeed , let God be true but every man a liar. as it is written; "that you may be justified in your words, and may overcome when you are judged."

one other thing, you claim a law of probability, yet you reject the law of God. you reject the grace of God. as we try to explaing the laws and grace of God to you, please, explain the LAW of probability. lastly, i would be careful of your faith in your "extreme confidence" because your stance, has not merit.

a reminder, don't gather your information on what the bible says from the tv, or believe what you hear, on the tv. if you understood, what you are trying to shoot down, you'd know better. there are very few on tv that teach the true gospel, and if you don't know the gospel, you will be led down a false path.

God Bless!!

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!

Edited July 13, 2006 by SoulGrind

[EricH]

The answer to this is not really as difficult as it may seem. First of all, I agree that God gave the commandments for his creation to follow, not for himself. If you went back to the garden when he created man, he gave one commandment. He said Adam was not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Obviously, God could not break this commandment, and it was only given to see if man would obey him. Even though the commandments wouldn't logically relate to him, it is my opinion that God never broke any of them. Let's break them down and I will show you why.

1 THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. EXODUS 20:3 Obviously God never put any gods above him.

2 THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE. EXODUS 20:4 Again, God never broke this commandment.

3 THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. EXODUS 20:7 Yet again, God did not break this commandment.

4 REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. EXODUS 20:8 God is the one that rested on the seventh day of creation in the first place, so he didn't break this commandment.

5 HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. EXODUS 20:12 God has no Father or Mother so he never broke this commandment.

6 THOU SHALT NOT KILL. EXODUS 20:13 This seems to be the commandment you are accusing God of breaking, however I would argue he never broke this one either. In order to interpret scripture, or any law for that matter, one must figure out the intent of the author of a law. Even our court system does that when interpreting the intent of the legislature. It is obvious that when God told us not to kill, the meaning was that we as individuals were not to be vigilantees and go about murdering innocent people. Why is this obvious? Because in the same law, God gave a death penalty for many crimes and sent the children of Israel into battle. What this tells me is that the prohibition on murder has nothing to do with putting criminals to death or killing in the time of war. God's Word also says the wages (penalty) for sin is death. When we sin, according to God's own law, we deserve to die and it is only by his mercy we are not all struck dead immediately after we violate his standard of holiness. God has never killed an innocent person, since nobody has lived their entire life without violating his law with one exception which I will get to shortly.

7 THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. EXODUS 20:14 He never broke this law.

8 THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. EXODUS 20:15 He owns everything so he cannot steal.

9 THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOUR. EXODUS 20:16 He never broken this commandment.

10 THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S POSSESSIONS. EXODUS 20:17 He never broke this commandment.

When you get down to it, there is only one commandment you have accused God of violating and when taken in it's proper context, it is obvious he never broke any of them. He is not guilty. Now God could not break these commandments as God because in reality they never applied to him but to man. Since that was the case, God became man in the form of Jesus Christ and while he lived on this earth, he never broke any of the commandments. There have been some who have accused him of breaking the law and even rebuking the religious teachers for being strict adherents to it, but they are incorrect. If one reads the sermon on the mount closely, they will see that what Jesus did was clarify the meaning of the laws. He was the author so he knew what they really meant. It would be like having the writers of our Constitution coming back and rebuking the Supreme Court justices for perverting their original intent (would that they could).

1 Peter 2:21,22

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.

As God, he couldn't break his commandments. As man, he didn't break his commandments. Case dismissed.

By the way, thank you for doing one thing. I appreciate the fact you acknowledge God had people killed. By your own admission, in order for that to be true, God must be real. I am glad you have finally come to see the truth on that. Perhaps now, we can move on to other things.

I guess you are proud of this God?

(Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all

[Candi770]

Man was created to fellowship with God and be dependent on God alone. The earth was created perfect with no flaws by God alone. Sin entered in when Man decided to disobey (which was to follow after their way-and become self sufficent). Man before this had perfect fellowship with Father God. The man made the choice. The consiquences were set before him-he chose to do it anyway. The man realized that he had done wrong and was aware of his nakedness. This was the first spiritual death! Not Gods chose-the mans! To cover the man-and the man's sin-so that fellowship would be reestablished (because of sin)-because God loved man-the first blood was spilled-an innocent animal was sacrificed. The animal sacrifice was only a temporary covering. Unfortunanly because of mans decision-the animals had to be sacrificed yearly for sin. When God looked upon man-he could see through the blood and he realized it was only a covering.

Concerning the Law (ten commandment)

The law was not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine-1 Timothy 1:9-10

By the Law is the knowledge of sin Romans 3:20, For whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4.

BUT-before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed- Gal 3:23

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John - Matthew 11:13

The teachings before Jesus:

Before grace came, the teachings was: But There rose up certain of the sect of the pharisees which believed, saying, that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of moses-Acts 15:5.

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The Law could not justify people: All things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of moses-Acts 13:39 and By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin Romans 3:320

But in those sacrifieces there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins-Hebrews 10:3-4

Man made their choice-now under the law-no one could truely be good enough-sacrificing animals over and over-year after year covering the same sins (they were guilty of).

Gods solution- man needed a savior- God decided-to send his perfect-sinless son Jesus-to be the perfect sacrifice to completely wash away all sin.

The Law looked toward Jesus:The law and the prophets pointed to the day when the Messiah would come. The old tesiment-points toward the coming messiah!!

JESUS came to fulfill the law-none was good enough-but One: Jesus Christ Alone.

He redeemed us from the curse of the Law:being made a curse for us; for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree-Gal 3:13

He did this because he loved us-Did we deserve it? NOOOOOOOOO!! Did he being perfect and sinless deserve our sin on his frame? NOOOOOOOOOO!! But he did it willingly- HE wanted to have perfect fellowship with man again. His chose for our failure!!! Love personified!!

This came with a heavy price-he paid for you and me!! I wasn't good enough to pay it myself.

So when God looks upon those who have repented and accepted Jesus Christ as Lord in their life- He sees each child of His through Jesus.

So our righteousness is in Christ Alone: for he did it alone for us-sinful man-because of His love for people. We are not righteous by keeping the law or rules: it is by what Jesus did-his finished work in the cross

So now when I look with my eyes of faith toward the written ten commandments- I see that Father God had interest in man-he continued to give them warnings through those and the Prophets: it was up to man to listen and obey. Man continues to make their chose without concern for the Father: but that doesn't stop the law and the penaly of that law from being first place in the sinners life if they will not turn. Because of mans choice not God!!

I take an example of a sin: thou shall not commit adultry: I see that he cares for the institution of marriage, the life of the other party and the bodies of both that could be affected by disease.

Be assured that the Prophet(S) of God during the old testiment time warned the people of that time: and rest assured if they said it (for the Holy Spirit spoke through them) it came to pass. They had warning but they didn't listen: this was the penalty of their choice-God warned them. You can't lay it to God's charge!!

God has men and women today that are sounding off warnings!! Men and women today are listening and there will always be those who will continue to follow their own path: but the law is the law and the penalty is the same, God is the same. Your choice.

You have a choice.

I'd rather live under the grace of God by faith in Jesus Christ than under the curse of the Law.

Jesus came to bring life, sin leads to death.

Concerning prayer and faith in Jesus Christ: It is not by chance that people are healed for the asking- Jesus said that we would do the same things he did on earth-when we have faith to believe. I've seen it, experienced it. God is the same as he was then.

God is true to His word and He will continue to send warnings: we must be smart enough to listen!!

Blessings

Candi

[SoulGrind]

God is true to His word and He will continue to send warnings: we must be smart enough to listen!!

Candi

And the congregation said?

AMEN!!!!

[sylvan3]

The answer to this is not really as difficult as it may seem. First of all, I agree that God gave the commandments for his creation to follow, not for himself. If you went back to the garden when he created man, he gave one commandment. He said Adam was not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Obviously, God could not break this commandment, and it was only given to see if man would obey him. Even though the commandments wouldn't logically relate to him, it is my opinion that God never broke any of them. Let's break them down and I will show you why.

1 THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. EXODUS 20:3 Obviously God never put any gods above him.

2 THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE. EXODUS 20:4 Again, God never broke this commandment.

3 THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. EXODUS 20:7 Yet again, God did not break this commandment.

4 REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. EXODUS 20:8 God is the one that rested on the seventh day of creation in the first place, so he didn't break this commandment.

5 HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. EXODUS 20:12 God has no Father or Mother so he never broke this commandment.

6 THOU SHALT NOT KILL. EXODUS 20:13 This seems to be the commandment you are accusing God of breaking, however I would argue he never broke this one either. In order to interpret scripture, or any law for that matter, one must figure out the intent of the author of a law. Even our court system does that when interpreting the intent of the legislature. It is obvious that when God told us not to kill, the meaning was that we as individuals were not to be vigilantees and go about murdering innocent people. Why is this obvious? Because in the same law, God gave a death penalty for many crimes and sent the children of Israel into battle. What this tells me is that the prohibition on murder has nothing to do with putting criminals to death or killing in the time of war. God's Word also says the wages (penalty) for sin is death. When we sin, according to God's own law, we deserve to die and it is only by his mercy we are not all struck dead immediately after we violate his standard of holiness. God has never killed an innocent person, since nobody has lived their entire life without violating his law with one exception which I will get to shortly.

7 THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. EXODUS 20:14 He never broke this law.

8 THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. EXODUS 20:15 He owns everything so he cannot steal.

9 THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOUR. EXODUS 20:16 He never broken this commandment.

10 THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S POSSESSIONS. EXODUS 20:17 He never broke this commandment.

When you get down to it, there is only one commandment you have accused God of violating and when taken in it's proper context, it is obvious he never broke any of them. He is not guilty. Now God could not break these commandments as God because in reality they never applied to him but to man. Since that was the case, God became man in the form of Jesus Christ and while he lived on this earth, he never broke any of the commandments. There have been some who have accused him of breaking the law and even rebuking the religious teachers for being strict adherents to it, but they are incorrect. If one reads the sermon on the mount closely, they will see that what Jesus did was clarify the meaning of the laws. He was the author so he knew what they really meant. It would be like having the writers of our Constitution coming back and rebuking the Supreme Court justices for perverting their original intent (would that they could).

1 Peter 2:21,22

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.

As God, he couldn't break his commandments. As man, he didn't break his commandments. Case dismissed.

By the way, thank you for doing one thing. I appreciate the fact you acknowledge God had people killed. By your own admission, in order for that to be true, God must be real. I am glad you have finally come to see the truth on that. Perhaps now, we can move on to other things.

I guess you are proud of this God?

(Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all