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jackie said again:
who is the guy in revelation..you know the bad guy that makes everyone worship him?

is there anyone who will answer this question..I have asked at least twice since this thread started and I really want to know..who is the one talked about in Revelation who forces the mark and worship?...anyone?

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The Beast out of the Earth (Rev. 13:11-17).

This individual, or second beast, is here mentioned for the first time and all that is given concerning him in the Bible is recorded in Revelation. He is called "the false prophet" in Rev. 16:13; 19:20; 20:10, which are the only other passages that mention him. He is to be a prophet, but a false one; a prophet of Antichrist, not Christ. In Rev. 16:13 he is seen with the beast and dragon as sending forth the demon spirits to gather nations to Armageddon. In Rev. 19:20 he is seen as being the mirical-working co-laborer and leader of the nations along with the first beast as he came against Christ at Armageddon. The doom of this second beast will be torment in the lake of fire forever along with the first beast, the dragon, and all rebellious creatures (Rev. 20:10).

The beast out of the earth [world] will tell Earth dwellers to make an image to the frist beast. The image will be made and set up in the temple of God to be worshiped (Matt. 24:15). He will have the power to give life to this image that is should both speak and cause all who will not worship it to be killed. This will be a wonderful sign in itself, that a material image should be given power to speak and act (Rev. 13:14, 15).

This second beast will cause all classes to recieve brands in their right hands or in their forheads, that no man might buy or sell except those who have them (Rev. 13:16-18). This will result in martyrdome of most of the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations" (Rev. 7:9-17; 13:7; 14:13; 15:2, 3; 20:4). In the worship of the first beast and his image, men will be so devoted as to say, "Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" This reveals the worship will be both political and religious (Rev. 13:14). It will not be a willing worship on the part of many, for force will be used to make them worship. The worship will be of such an apostate nature as to pronounce eternal doom to all who partake (Rev. 14:9-11). Many men will throw overboard all faith in God and Christ, and become servants of the devil, and be controlled by demon spirits to such an extent as to be past redemption.

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is there anyone who will answer this question..I have asked at least twice since this thread started and I really want to know..who is the one talked about in Revelation who forces the mark and worship?...anyone?

Nero. I have said this multiple times but no one will even acknowledge it. Nero was the Beast talked about in Revelation. He was the one persecuting the Jews. His mark was his face stamped on the coin currency, and if you didn't buy, sell, or trade with this currency, you couldn't buy anything. His worship was seen in the gigantic statues he had made of himself, and forced people to bow to it as they passed so he could be worshiped. Revelation was written in AD 69. It is a prophetical book, but only prophesied about the fall of Jerusalem, NOT a rapture. The fall of Jerusalem happened in AD 70. The rapture was created by John Darby, in the civil war era. He then taught it to Schofield, a scholar a the time, who then put notes of the rapture in a bible he revised called the Schofield Study Bible. After the civil war, when the industrial revolution started, he found he could mass produce this bible and send it across america faster than before. That's how the rapture spread. Revelation was never meant to be read as a prophesy about the end of time and space, and it defenitely has nothing to do with Americans.

Do you imply, from your writings above that 1 Thes.4:15-16 is false Scripture?

Did John Darby write that verse in? If so when and what evidence do you have to support that proposition, maybe Darby was a "time traveller"?

Did Nero, in the LAST DAYS, sit upon the throne of God, claiming he is God?

Do you not believe the Gentiles also go through tribulation, and are persecuted, martyred for their Faith?

What about the prophecies in Rev. 13.

Did Nero deceive them that dwell on the earth, make an image to the Beast, cause those who do not worship the Beast to be killed, if so, when?

Did Nero cause ALL both small and great, rich and poor to receive a mark IN their, (not on) right hand or their forehead? vs.16

If this is already fulfilled, please advise who the other beast that comes out of the sea is, surely many Christian scholars would love to know that, along with we simpletons

Who is the dragon worshipped in vs.4?

If all this came to pass during the destruction of Jerusalem surely you will be able to prove, with evidence to support your claims, all you state

By the way, which Beast was Nero, the one of Rev.13:4 or the one of vs.11?

Who is the image unto the Beast of vs.15? The Bible identifies Satan as the Beast, doesn't It? Rev.20:2, the serpent who is the devil AND Satan

Further, if Revelation, which you acknowledge as a prophetic book is correct, please explain the letters to the seven churches, the seven candlesticks, who it is riding the white horse of 6:1?

If It has all been fulfilled what are we hanging around waiting for? The catching away never happened, the judgement is over and we all are in damnation

It is a little disappointing, seems we missed the seven plagues, the seven vials being poured out, the falling of that great Babylon; none of it happened, or, possibly brother, there is some personal interpretation in your thoughts

Look forward to your learned response

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NERO???? I heard it was prince Charles...or was it Tony Blair or the last pope?? :)

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He will rule over all the world.

who says we'll still be a country when he comes.....

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He will rule over all the world.

No he will not rule the whole world.

The Extent of Antichrist's Reign (Rev. 13:5-18)(Dan.7:23)

The question often arises, "Will the Antichrist have power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations, and will all that dwell on Earth worship him?" While this can generally be answered in the affirmative, still much depends on what is meant by all. If all is used in the most inclusive sense and is meant to include every individual in the known world today, we can say that he will not have this power, but if it is taken to mean all that God has in mind-the latter day ten kingdoms of old Rome--we can say that all will include all affected by the decree made by the Antichrist in his empire.

The following points from scripture prove that the Antichrist will not rule America or be a world wide dictator as many students of prophecy teach.

1. The word all in Rev.13 is simply part of the figure of speach called "synecdoche" in which a part is used for a whole and a whole for a part. It is frequently used in scripture as in the following examples:

1."I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherin is the breath of life, from under heaven; and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die" (Gen.6:17). If we look at this literally as men do Rev.13, we would have Noah and his family and all the animals in the ark dead, for they were also under the Heaven and in the earth and yet did not die.

2. " And they utterly destroyed ALL THAT WERE IN THE CITY, both men and women" refering to the people in Jerico when the wall fell, but "all" here must be understood in a limited sense, for Rahab and all her people were spared (Josh. 6:21-25).

3. "David and ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL played before the Lord" and brought up the ark" (2 Sam.6:5,15). yet not all Israel did this, for many did not know how to play instruments and many were too young and still many more were not even gathered at that one place.

4. "Six months did Joab remain there [out of his own country] with ALL ISRAEL untill he had cut off every male in Edom" (1 Kings 11:16,17). The "ALL ISRAEL" referred to here is part of the army of Israel.

5. In Rom.1:8 Paul said, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD," but we know he meant only that the local church at Rome was known by many in the various parts of the Roman Empire. Multitudes outside of Rome, and even many inside the Empire of Rome had never yet heard of the Christian faith, much less of the local church at Rome. The same thing is true of Col. 1:23 where we read that the gospel had been "Preached to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN" and in Rom. 10:18 it was preached "INTO ALL THE EARTH" and ''UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD" The gospel has not even yet been taken to all nations, so we know the whole world was not evangelized in Paul's day.

6. In Acts 11:28 we read of a dearth [famin] "THROUGHOUT ALL THE WORLD" which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. That famin did not cover every part of the Roman Empire much less all continents and islands of the world.

Many hundreds of examples can be given to demonstrate the word ALL is used in a figurative sense of a part, so we do not need to believe that Rev.13 and Dan.7:23 means that the Antichrist of the future will literally reign over all the earth and kill all who do not take his mark.

We must, therefore, understand the way the word "all" is supposed to be understood in a particular scripture. If it means ALL in the all inclusive sense then there will be no limitations to it in the passage itself or in other scriptures on the same subject. If it means ALL of what it has reference to specifically and it is clear that it means a part of something and this is made clear in the passage itself or in other passages on the same subject, then we must be sensible to recognize the fact that ALL is not inclusive of all men on earth. For example, when Paul said of God that it was His will that "ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth" (1Tim.2:24), we know that this means ALL MEN without exception. But when we read of ALL MEN being baptized of John and in the same passage and in other passages on the subject, it is made clear that many were not baptized, then we take it as a figurative statement expressing that a great many in the region were baptized of John. We can see in both Testaments that God used universal terms in speaking of the extent of certain kingdoms and the powers of certain kings. We can also see that these terms show that only a great part of the earth was ruled by these kings and empires. We can therefore logically conclude that the extent of Antichrists kingdom and power could likewise be limited to a part of the world. Because we can find a number of scriptures limiting his power and authority to a part of the Earth, and they plainly tell us what part of the Earth will be under him and what part will not be under him then we must limit the "ALL" of Rev.13 and Dan. 7:23 to what territory he rules over and not make it universal as many prophetical students do.

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well concidering the fact that america is setting up for a one world order, vera chip, pretty much, we can't be too sure if america will be one of them, or if it will be destroyed, one thing we do know, that america is headed in a bad direction, and there is nothing suporting wether it will or will not be, except what we see our country doing today.

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well concidering the fact that america is setting up for a one world order, vera chip, pretty much, we can't be too sure if america will be one of them, or if it will be destroyed, one thing we do know, that america is headed in a bad direction, and there is nothing suporting wether it will or will not be, except what we see our country doing today.

Hi Josh 13.

Yes, the USA, just like every other country in the world to-day is heading down the wrong road. But this does not prove that the USA will be ruled by the Antichrist. There are many Scriptures in the Bible which proves the USA will not be ruled by the Antichrist.

The Bible teaches that the Antichrist will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territoryand never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill every one who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell every one who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

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well concidering the fact that america is setting up for a one world order, vera chip, pretty much, we can't be too sure if america will be one of them, or if it will be destroyed, one thing we do know, that america is headed in a bad direction, and there is nothing suporting wether it will or will not be, except what we see our country doing today.

Hi Josh 13.

Yes, the USA, just like every other country in the world to-day is heading down the wrong road. But this does not prove that the USA will be ruled by the Antichrist. There are many Scriptures in the Bible which proves the USA will not be ruled by the Antichrist.

The Bible teaches that the Antichrist will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territoryand never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill every one who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell every one who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

Without getting into the "conspiracy" the world is already divided up into 10 "global regions" which will be ruled over by 10 directors.

Sort of fits don't it.

LT

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Read the bible. There is NO one AntiChrist that people are waiting for. There have been AntiChrists since the beginning of the New Testement.

Those were general descriptions of the spirit of the Antichrist. Satan tries to copy everything that God does, he wants to be God in every way, he wants to rule over God. This is the reason he was cast out of heaven, Isaiah 14:13-15

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

If there is no "one" person who leads the collective body of Antichrist, then we have no Messiah either, as it is also written Genesis 3:15

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If the seed of the woman is Jesus Christ, who or what is the seed of Satan in Genesis 3:15?... the Antichrist.

Peace

CJ

Now that is a leading question and, unfortunately, to answer that, one would, I am sure, quickly be kicked out of this site. The answer, though extremely simple, goes against the teachings of the R.C. doctrines on which all "Christian" doctrines are based

That too is a risky comment to make, but we all believe in freedom of speech don't we

Once you understand who the 'seed' is, the rest of THE BOOK falls right into place, but, is a forbidden topic

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