Believer nation and classification

[systemstrike_7]

The ones who are aggressive strong atheists would rather die than believe in God, these are the ignorant ones. These are the ones that no argument will suffice. No amount of evidence will ever support. Nothing can ever be done to change their minds.

Ignorant believers follow the law, and believe that the law is what gets them into heaven. They believe they can judge who will go to heaven and hell. They believe that you have to cleanse yourself of sins before you can go to God, they believe that eternal life rests on their ability to effectively force religion down the throats of others.

True believers follow Jesus, and in following Jesus and his teachings, they follow the law, they understand that God is the final word on heaven and hell, true believers love all of those around them and are sad, not angry for those who turn their back on God, true believers know their purpose, and they perceiver through tough times and know that their life is under Gods will, because that is where they put it.

I disagree with one part. In Ignorant beleive you say they beleive salvation is by works. I wouldnt label that as a "Believer"

Does this mean I can lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, get drunk, and kill babies? And still get into heaven as long as I have accepted Jesus into my heart?

That's dangerous theology, and I honestly don't believe this is how Yeshua of Nazareth would have seen this issue.

Of course, we really don't know all that much about the actual Yeshua....

But that is for another thread.

[Floatingaxe]

THERE IS NO GRAY. THERE IS NO GRAY.*

EVERYONE RETURN TO YOUR DAILY BUSINESS.

* Alert broadcast by the monotheism nearest you.

I honestly cannot believe that the bible is black and white. This is ridiculous. I have seen theologians go to great lengths and well outside of the black/white area, just to reconcile some contradiction or mistake in the bible.

No gray, that is utterly ridiculous.

This is how wars get started....

Well, I do have a red-letter bible!

[systemstrike_7]

The one's where Jesus' words are in red? I have one too!!!

I think it was free too....

[Joshua-777]

The one's where Jesus' words are in red? I have one too!!!

I think it was free too....

Hey I have one too, most I've seen are like that, I'd like to find one where Jesus' words are in blue, I think that would be cool.

[systemstrike_7]

Or maybe if Jesus' words lit up, and changed colors. That would be sweet.

Red=he's angry

Green=he's telling a parable

Blue=he's making a funny

Pink=he's talking about love

Man, that would be super sweet...

[MorningGlory]

Or maybe if Jesus' words lit up, and changed colors. That would be sweet.

Red=he's angry

Green=he's telling a parable

Blue=he's making a funny

Pink=he's talking about love

Man, that would be super sweet...

Systemstrike, your comment above is amusing but I am struck by the internal battle you seem to be going through right here, in this forum. Reading your posts can give one whiplash! It appears to me, and I say this without malice or sarcasm, that you are fighting with yourself or whatever seems to be tugging at your soul. We all have to find our way and cast doubt aside before we become true Christians. I pray that you find your way too.

[Observer of dreams]

I disagree with one part. In Ignorant beleive you say they beleive salvation is by works. I wouldnt label that as a "Believer"

What would you call them Zeiv?

Does this mean I can lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, get drunk, and kill babies? And still get into heaven as long as I have accepted Jesus into my heart?

System strike, If you had Jesus and loved you would feel no desire to do these things you list. if you have accepted Jesus into your heart would you actually kill a baby? A heartless act is from a heartless man, and a man who is heartless has no room for Jesus, as Jesus resides in our heart and emanates outward. If a heartless man comes into Jesus he will gain a heart so Jesus may reside in there. and this empty space will be filled, and desire of the material will disappear.

[Joshua-777]

I disagree with one part. In Ignorant beleive you say they beleive salvation is by works. I wouldnt label that as a "Believer"

What would you call them Zeiv?

Does this mean I can lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, get drunk, and kill babies? And still get into heaven as long as I have accepted Jesus into my heart?

System strike, If you had Jesus and loved you would feel no desire to do these things you list. if you have accepted Jesus into your heart would you actually kill a baby? A heartless act is from a heartless man, and a man who is heartless has no room for Jesus, as Jesus resides in our heart and emanates outward. If a heartless man comes into Jesus he will gain a heart so Jesus may reside in there. and this empty space will be filled, and desire of the material will disappear.

I would have to agree, I do believe all have a heart, but it tends to get debased by the world, One thing I have noticed, those that are fighting the most, usualy are the ones searching for truth, when someone is convicted, who doesn't believe, or open, of course satans going to attack with all he's got.

[systemstrike_7]

I disagree with one part. In Ignorant beleive you say they beleive salvation is by works. I wouldnt label that as a "Believer"

What would you call them Zeiv?

Does this mean I can lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, get drunk, and kill babies? And still get into heaven as long as I have accepted Jesus into my heart?

System strike, If you had Jesus and loved you would feel no desire to do these things you list. if you have accepted Jesus into your heart would you actually kill a baby? A heartless act is from a heartless man, and a man who is heartless has no room for Jesus, as Jesus resides in our heart and emanates outward. If a heartless man comes into Jesus he will gain a heart so Jesus may reside in there. and this empty space will be filled, and desire of the material will disappear.

So ever since you became a Christian, you've never had an urge to have sex? Hmmm....hard to believe. You've never had an urge to steal or lie? Hmmm....again, hard to believe.

And I would bet my life that you have lied at least once since becoming a Christian.

[Observer of dreams]

How is it that temptation prevents one from becoming one with Christ? You asked if you can get into heaven even though you kill babies. In your example you give into temptation, and speak nothing of forgiveness, true forgiveness by the way, not simply lip service to get out of hell.

The urges you speak of are temptations of flesh, Jesus was also tempted as well. I am also sorry to hear that you would bet your life on such a minuscule thing such as me lying.

The part about sex is in my belief structure. I believe what I do, and you believe what you do, let us stay away from a quarrel over this as neither one of us will be persuaded. I have no intention of fighting with you so I will leave it at that.