Marginalization of Christians

[VelvetVoice]

I was watching Book TV with a debate between a Christian and a gay person about definitions about marriage. I finally put together a thought about what has been bothering me about it. I think the gay man had many good points and from a pure debate standpoint he did the better job of supporting his position, but that doesn't make him right.

When talking to people about definitions about groups of people, he kept saying 'gay' and 'non-gay'. Since when did I become the 'other'? I have spent my life being marginalized: I was the youngest in my family and the most emotional, I was the product of two parents and relatively rich compared to most of my friends and classmates, I grew up in an inner-city going to public schools and a racial minority, and also was a spiritual minority in college. I was a gender minority in college, and also surrounded by gay people. I had to tolerate all of them, but yet I am persecuted for being an intolerant Christian. There is nothing wrong with me just because I am traditional!

[Floatingaxe]

I was watching Book TV with a debate between a Christian and a gay person about definitions about marriage. I finally put together a thought about what has been bothering me about it. I think the gay man had many good points and from a pure debate standpoint he did the better job of supporting his position, but that doesn't make him right.

When talking to people about definitions about groups of people, he kept saying 'gay' and 'non-gay'. Since when did I become the 'other'? I have spent my life being marginalized: I was the youngest in my family and the most emotional, I was the product of two parents and relatively rich compared to most of my friends and classmates, I grew up in an inner-city going to public schools and a racial minority, and also was a spiritual minority in college. I was a gender minority in college, and also surrounded by gay people. I had to tolerate all of them, but yet I am persecuted for being an intolerant Christian. There is nothing wrong with me just because I am traditional!

Nothing wrong with normal!

[rtwo]

I was watching Book TV with a debate between a Christian and a gay person about definitions about marriage. I finally put together a thought about what has been bothering me about it. I think the gay man had many good points and from a pure debate standpoint he did the better job of supporting his position, but that doesn't make him right.

When talking to people about definitions about groups of people, he kept saying 'gay' and 'non-gay'. Since when did I become the 'other'? I have spent my life being marginalized: I was the youngest in my family and the most emotional, I was the product of two parents and relatively rich compared to most of my friends and classmates, I grew up in an inner-city going to public schools and a racial minority, and also was a spiritual minority in college. I was a gender minority in college, and also surrounded by gay people. I had to tolerate all of them, but yet I am persecuted for being an intolerant Christian. There is nothing wrong with me just because I am traditional!

We are labeled "intolerant" because we think they're wrong. Nobody on that end of it, I suppose, sees the double standard implied here (that they think we're wrong... yet they're not labeled). The misguided don't like to be shown how misguided they are. The fact is, they know God doesn't approve, and your presence as a Christian is a reminder of that. We are hated by the wrong simply for being right.

[ParanoidAndroid]

A non-Christian may fall back here on philosophical quotes such as that of Voltaire, who would claim that "the only thing to be intolerant of is intolerance itself". It can be argued that Chrsitians fit this bill..

However, what I think is missed continuously in this discussion, is that when stating that various lifestyle choices are wrong (by Christian belief) we are not setting ourselves up as superior to that position. A gay person, though not living according ot God's law, is no better or worse than any other person in this world, including us Christians who freely admit that we have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Considering a particular stance as "wrong" does not necessarily equate to being discriminatory agains that stance.

If ya know what I mean.....

Edited April 9, 2007 by ParanoidAndroid

[MorningGlory]

I was watching Book TV with a debate between a Christian and a gay person about definitions about marriage. I finally put together a thought about what has been bothering me about it. I think the gay man had many good points and from a pure debate standpoint he did the better job of supporting his position, but that doesn't make him right.

When talking to people about definitions about groups of people, he kept saying 'gay' and 'non-gay'. Since when did I become the 'other'? I have spent my life being marginalized: I was the youngest in my family and the most emotional, I was the product of two parents and relatively rich compared to most of my friends and classmates, I grew up in an inner-city going to public schools and a racial minority, and also was a spiritual minority in college. I was a gender minority in college, and also surrounded by gay people. I had to tolerate all of them, but yet I am persecuted for being an intolerant Christian. There is nothing wrong with me just because I am traditional!

If you're walking in the faith, don't let anyone make you feel marginalized. The gay "lifestyle" is an abomination, they know it, and want to shift guilt onto those who don't approve. While we can be tolerant toward people, why should any Christian be tolerant of sin?

[CaritateDei]

I was watching Book TV with a debate between a Christian and a gay person about definitions about marriage. I finally put together a thought about what has been bothering me about it. I think the gay man had many good points and from a pure debate standpoint he did the better job of supporting his position, but that doesn't make him right.

When talking to people about definitions about groups of people, he kept saying 'gay' and 'non-gay'. Since when did I become the 'other'? I have spent my life being marginalized: I was the youngest in my family and the most emotional, I was the product of two parents and relatively rich compared to most of my friends and classmates, I grew up in an inner-city going to public schools and a racial minority, and also was a spiritual minority in college. I was a gender minority in college, and also surrounded by gay people. I had to tolerate all of them, but yet I am persecuted for being an intolerant Christian. There is nothing wrong with me just because I am traditional!

It just goes to show, my friend. Being Christian is the only open target anymore. Everyone else is protected by the government...and the ACLU.

[Arthur Durnan]

I never employ the word "gay" when referring to homosexuals or Sodomites. NEVER! I'm verily surprised to see that some Christians still do. It's the most misused word - along with "tolerance" - in the English language. Homosexuals are homosexuals. A gay person is a mirthful or a light-hearted person. It has ZIP to do with gender or "sexual orientation." And re tolerance - the code word of a generation - tolerant of WHAT? Bank robbery, paederasty, violence? Tolerance, as the worldling counts it, degenerates into the advocacy of unprincipled licence. Religious intolerance in the form of speaking the truth - even if no one else possesses the truth - is loving. Mark it down & take it to the bank.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[VelvetVoice]

I never employ the word "gay" when referring to homosexuals or Sodomites. NEVER! I'm verily surprised to see that some Christians still do. It's the most misused word - along with "tolerance" - in the English language. Homosexuals are homosexuals. A gay person is a mirthful or a light-hearted person. It has ZIP to do with gender or "sexual orientation." And re tolerance - the code word of a generation - tolerant of WHAT? Bank robbery, paederasty, violence? Tolerance, as the worldling counts it, degenerates into the advocacy of unprincipled licence. Religious intolerance in the form of speaking the truth - even if no one else possesses the truth - is loving. Mark it down & take it to the bank.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

Go back and read my post. The homosexual called himself gay, not the Christian. And if I say something to voice my opinion, am I still intolerant? Guaranteed, when I speak my opinion, no matter how gently, I am accused of all manner of violence or racism or bias. There is nothing I can do but quote scripture and take my lumps. "Wisdom is vindicated by her children."

[Everlasting127]

I was watching Book TV with a debate between a Christian and a gay person about definitions about marriage. I finally put together a thought about what has been bothering me about it. I think the gay man had many good points and from a pure debate standpoint he did the better job of supporting his position, but that doesn't make him right.

When talking to people about definitions about groups of people, he kept saying 'gay' and 'non-gay'. Since when did I become the 'other'? I have spent my life being marginalized: I was the youngest in my family and the most emotional, I was the product of two parents and relatively rich compared to most of my friends and classmates, I grew up in an inner-city going to public schools and a racial minority, and also was a spiritual minority in college. I was a gender minority in college, and also surrounded by gay people. I had to tolerate all of them, but yet I am persecuted for being an intolerant Christian. There is nothing wrong with me just because I am traditional!

Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Rom 15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

God's love tells us to love: all unconditionally. But that doesn't mean we are not to be as: wise as serpents, and meek as doves. As a Christians we have a different, almost youthful perception of the world: With full knowledge and power; over the will of our adversary. Satan knows the "goodness" in the souls of men: he cannot attain. Whether the Lord has cast him away, Satan is still his. Therefore; what do you do when you see stumbling all around you. People may stumble from the Holy Spirit that dwells in you. Satan's joke on us, that becomes a joke on himself. Those that stumble around you, may do so to the edification of the Lord.

God is in control, and sends us our vanities, as a trials of our worthiness, and a credit to our edification.

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Just a Thought

Everlasting

Bible Inspired Author

Moon Over Key Biscayne

Edited April 19, 2007 by Everlasting127

[secondeve]

I think there's a case to say that Christians are marginalised in some countries in the world; but not in the English-speaking West, and most definitely not in America. Feeling marginalised is one thing; being marginalised quite another. Living in a society which allows people to disagree with you doesn't make you marginal, especially when you're still the majority faith. Look at it this way: if that gay guy hadn't been able to espouse his views, you wouldn't be living in a democracy. Being disagreed with is the price you pay for it - but it sure as anything doesn't make you a minority.