4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted April 9, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted April 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Danger Noodle said: If all things that occur are part of God's plan then how can there be free will in man? We have a free will. You can choose which way you want to take in your life: God's way, or you own way. God is powerful, and he wants you to choose the right way (His way, Jesus) because He loves you. Unfortunately, despite of all the warnings given by God some will still choose to ignore Him and follow their own ways. And there is a set destination for those who accept Him and those who did not. Whether you will accept or not, the choice is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Danger Noodle said: I think what he's saying there is that while alive those to whom he addresses his warning in the church of Sardis would be known to omniscient Father, Jesus is warning of repentance and conscious turning from the way of death; sin. I think that is why he examples "a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments". To also give an example that the righteous among them who would be known are in the book already. I agree that there are a few who has followed the true path, yet there is nothing I can see that excludes the others from once following the truth as Christ tells them to "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die" and to "Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent". Both statements speak of a history with Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Danger Noodle said: I'll post this by itself because I am not addressing any one opinion on OSAS . In matters of free will, it is a curious thing concerning that I think. All in scripture is the following put into an observation and query concerning free will and predestination. Being there is scripture that tells us names are written in the Lamb's book of life before the creation of the world that would say God knew before he created humans whom would come to his only son. If all things that occur are part of God's plan then how can there be free will in man? And if man has free will how can that be part of God's plan as pertains to predestination? To me, it is rather simple. You see, God wants true love for him from His creation, not created love where some do and some don't. God had already created the angles and 1/3 of them turned from Him and followed Lucifer. They did not have true love, but obedience only. God now is seeking those who do love Him and choose Him above all else. His desire is to share eternity with those who love him. No other reason. If God created people and predestined them to love Him and others to not love Him, what does that say about God loving the whole world that He gave His only begotten Son? What does the words "whole world" mean if there is no choice? Nobody is taking away from God in the slightest due to free will. God Himself said He foreknew; the ability to look down through time to know who will and who will not choose Him. Those who do, He predestined them to be conformed to the likeness of His Son; called, justified and glorified them. He does all this, nobody else can. To live in the predestination theology, one may as well just do what they will as their life is already planned out for them, sort of like a robot or computer that is programmed to run a certain way. This theology give no desire to get to know God as we are all programed to already know or not care. Why evangelize if people are already assigned with a Yea or Nay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted April 10, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, OneLight said: To me, it is rather simple. You see, God wants true love for him from His creation, not created love where some do and some don't. God had already created the angles and 1/3 of them turned from Him and followed Lucifer. They did not have true love, but obedience only. God now is seeking those who do love Him and choose Him above all else. His desire is to share eternity with those who love him. No other reason. If God created people and predestined them to love Him and others to not love Him, what does that say about God loving the whole world that He gave His only begotten Son? What does the words "whole world" mean if there is no choice? Nobody is taking away from God in the slightest due to free will. God Himself said He foreknew; the ability to look down through time to know who will and who will not choose Him. Those who do, He predestined them to be conformed to the likeness of His Son; called, justified and glorified them. He does all this, nobody else can. To live in the predestination theology, one may as well just do what they will as their life is already planned out for them, sort of like a robot or computer that is programmed to run a certain way. This theology give no desire to get to know God as we are all programed to already know or not care. Why evangelize if people are already assigned with a Yea or Nay? Amen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Noodle Posted April 10, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 573 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 hours ago, OneLight said: To me, it is rather simple. You see, God wants true love for him from His creation, not created love where some do and some don't. God had already created the angles and 1/3 of them turned from Him and followed Lucifer. They did not have true love, but obedience only. God now is seeking those who do love Him and choose Him above all else. His desire is to share eternity with those who love him. No other reason. If God created people and predestined them to love Him and others to not love Him, what does that say about God loving the whole world that He gave His only begotten Son? What does the words "whole world" mean if there is no choice? Nobody is taking away from God in the slightest due to free will. God Himself said He foreknew; the ability to look down through time to know who will and who will not choose Him. Those who do, He predestined them to be conformed to the likeness of His Son; called, justified and glorified them. He does all this, nobody else can. To live in the predestination theology, one may as well just do what they will as their life is already planned out for them, sort of like a robot or computer that is programmed to run a certain way. This theology give no desire to get to know God as we are all programed to already know or not care. Why evangelize if people are already assigned with a Yea or Nay? With regard to your remarks here: "God Himself said He foreknew; the ability to look down through time to know who will and who will not choose Him. Those who do, He predestined them to be conformed to the likeness of His Son; called, justified and glorified them. He does all this, nobody else can." Aren't you then having said that contradicting that opposition you have to the predestination that you make the case for in the last paragraph? Everything in scripture that refers to God's predetermining, having predestined all things, even as pertains to this discussion of the book of life, names written within before the creation of this world. Jesus stating, no one can come to him but the Father calls them. That Father knew us before we were in the womb. All speaks to God's characteristics of omniscience, eternal knowledge, and omnipresence, eternally present in all things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,215 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 3,073 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. -whoever believes in Him- to believe in someone is to have FAITH and TRUST in someone John 3:16 Christ Jesus said: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Parable of the Sower found in Mark ch4 and in Matthew 13 1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. The Parable of the Weeds 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. The Parables of the Mustard Seed and the Yeast 31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. 33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. 34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. The Parable of the Weeds Explained 36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. The Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl 45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. The Parable of the Net 47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. A Prophet Without Honor 53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence. 54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? 57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. 58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. King James Version (KJV) ----------------------- Matthew 7:13-14 Christ Jesus said: 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Proverbs 14:12 …11The house of the wicked will be destroyed, But the tent of the upright will flourish. ***12There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.*** 13Even in laughter the heart may be in pain, And the end of joy may be grief.… Matthew 7:22 Christ Jesus said: …21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’… Edited April 12, 2017 by 1to3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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