kenod Posted May 31, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/12/1945 Share Posted May 31, 2007 (edited) I agree. Simply having a sound methodology does not guarantee that one will arrive at the text's meaning. Illumination by the Holy Spirit is essential in understanding the text. But, one should not abandon sound hermeneutical principles just because we are engaged in a spiritual activity. God chose to revel Himself through the agancy of human literature. So using sound interpretive principles is essential for partnering with the Holy Spirit to ascertain meaning. One of the underlying principles of hermeneutics is that the Bible does not contain hidden meanings ... what if it does? What if the "fig tree" is not just a fig tree? What if the "virgins" with "oil" in their lamps, and not just virgins with oil in their lamps? Edited May 31, 2007 by kenod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I agree. Simply having a sound methodology does not guarantee that one will arrive at the text's meaning. Illumination by the Holy Spirit is essential in understanding the text. But, one should not abandon sound hermeneutical principles just because we are engaged in a spiritual activity. God chose to revel Himself through the agancy of human literature. So using sound interpretive principles is essential for partnering with the Holy Spirit to ascertain meaning. One of the underlying principles of hermeneutics is that the Bible does not contain hidden meanings ... what if it does? What if the "fig tree" is not just a fig tree? What if the "virgins" with "oil" in their lamps, and not just virgins with oil in their lamps? This is true. If the Lord decides to blind someone, all the hermeneutics in the world will not reveal the truth to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven01 Posted May 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/07/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/17/1982 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Herman who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted May 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 31, 2007 I agree. Simply having a sound methodology does not guarantee that one will arrive at the text's meaning. Illumination by the Holy Spirit is essential in understanding the text. But, one should not abandon sound hermeneutical principles just because we are engaged in a spiritual activity. God chose to revel Himself through the agancy of human literature. So using sound interpretive principles is essential for partnering with the Holy Spirit to ascertain meaning. One of the underlying principles of hermeneutics is that the Bible does not contain hidden meanings ... what if it does? What if the "fig tree" is not just a fig tree? What if the "virgins" with "oil" in their lamps, and not just virgins with oil in their lamps? Are you speaking of Sensus Plenior? Or are you speaking of figurative language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted May 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 31, 2007 Herman who? That reminds me of an episode of Andy Griffith. When Opie was a little guy, his school had a drive to raise money for poor kids. Opie only gave 1 penny, and this embarrassed Andy. Andy sat Opie down and told him that in Mayberry there were 1.5 poor boys with not enough to eat for every 100. Opie told Andy that he had never seen a half of a boy. Andy told Opie that it was a ratio. Opie responded that he had never met him. Andy asked who. Opie said "Horatio" the .5 boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted May 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 31, 2007 Herman who? That reminds me of an episode of Andy Griffith. When Opie was a little guy, his school had a drive to raise money for poor kids. Opie only gave 1 penny, and this embarrassed Andy. Andy sat Opie down and told him that in Mayberry there were 1.5 poor boys with not enough to eat for every 100. Opie told Andy that he had never seen a half of a boy. Andy told Opie that it was a ratio. Opie responded that he had never met him. Andy asked who. Opie said "Horatio" the .5 boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted May 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.09 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Herman who? That reminds me of an episode of Andy Griffith. When Opie was a little guy, his school had a drive to raise money for poor kids. Opie only gave 1 penny, and this embarrassed Andy. Andy sat Opie down and told him that in Mayberry there were 1.5 poor boys with not enough to eat for every 100. Opie told Andy that he had never seen a half of a boy. Andy told Opie that it was a ratio. Opie responded that he had never met him. Andy asked who. Opie said "Horatio" the .5 boy. You made a funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted June 1, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/12/1945 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Are you speaking of Sensus Plenior? Or are you speaking of figurative language? It depends on your POV - many regard the "fig tree" in Mat 24:32 as figurative/metaphoric language for Israel ... others say it is indulging in "sensus plenior" (finding a hidden meaning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 1, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 1, 2007 I agree. Simply having a sound methodology does not guarantee that one will arrive at the text's meaning. Illumination by the Holy Spirit is essential in understanding the text. But, one should not abandon sound hermeneutical principles just because we are engaged in a spiritual activity. God chose to revel Himself through the agancy of human literature. So using sound interpretive principles is essential for partnering with the Holy Spirit to ascertain meaning. One of the underlying principles of hermeneutics is that the Bible does not contain hidden meanings ... what if it does? What if the "fig tree" is not just a fig tree? What if the "virgins" with "oil" in their lamps, and not just virgins with oil in their lamps? It depends on the context. Obviously parables, Psalms, and other metaphorical passages are not meant to be taken prima facie. That is not to say there is a "hidden meaning," but instead that sometimes the first impression is not the best one. The whole idea of a "hidden meaning" actually comes from an ancient Jewish interpretation method that was influenced by Platonism (the forerunner to Gnosticism). The Alexandrian rabbi Philo was a huge proponent of the theory. Later Christians, mostly the Alexandrian fathers, adopted this method as well. The problem with this method is that it is inherently Platonic at its core, assuming that the written word is too "physical" or "material" and that there is a deeper form behind it. It degrades God and says that He cannot really use written language to say what He means, but has to hide it in some form of code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted June 1, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/12/1945 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I agree. Simply having a sound methodology does not guarantee that one will arrive at the text's meaning. Illumination by the Holy Spirit is essential in understanding the text. But, one should not abandon sound hermeneutical principles just because we are engaged in a spiritual activity. God chose to revel Himself through the agancy of human literature. So using sound interpretive principles is essential for partnering with the Holy Spirit to ascertain meaning. One of the underlying principles of hermeneutics is that the Bible does not contain hidden meanings ... what if it does? What if the "fig tree" is not just a fig tree? What if the "virgins" with "oil" in their lamps, and not just virgins with oil in their lamps? It depends on the context. Obviously parables, Psalms, and other metaphorical passages are not meant to be taken prima facie. That is not to say there is a "hidden meaning," but instead that sometimes the first impression is not the best one. The whole idea of a "hidden meaning" actually comes from an ancient Jewish interpretation method that was influenced by Platonism (the forerunner to Gnosticism). The Alexandrian rabbi Philo was a huge proponent of the theory. Later Christians, mostly the Alexandrian fathers, adopted this method as well. The problem with this method is that it is inherently Platonic at its core, assuming that the written word is too "physical" or "material" and that there is a deeper form behind it. It degrades God and says that He cannot really use written language to say what He means, but has to hide it in some form of code. It does not degrade God, it acknowledges the way in which God has chosen to reveal His Word. By reading The Revelation one becomes very aware of that concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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