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I'd tread carefully. If exorcising demons from a Christian standpoint really worked, we wouldn't have mental illness today. :emot-giggle:

We do not have mental illness in Churches who believe in casting out devils. and openly use the rite.

Shalom,

Not true. Blanket generalization. Warning Will Robinson!!

Churches who properly practice deliverance do not have members who suffer from mental illness.

AMEN!!

Where do you go to Church!!

Blessings, Karen

I very seldom go to "Church." I will go to a church when called to minister at it. However If not ministering, I usually do not go. I enjoy meeting with groups of on fire belivers in our homes. Some would call them "home churhces." I really do not refer to them as that. The word tells us to not forsake the gathering together of the brethren. However, it does not say "go hang out under the steeple and play social club." Too many churches are social clubs. Too many members are merely hanging out under the steeple with their friends. The fruits of both the churches and the individual believers bear witness to this.

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Let me just clarify for the record, that not all mental illness is caused by demons.... this is where discernment comes in, lots is due to things going on in the world today, autisnm is something i believe is cauesed by vaccinactions.... ect.....still in agreement with main post...

Are you serious when you say you think autism is caused by vaccinations and what evidence would you have for that view-point.

The evidence that the Pharmacutical companies took mercury out of all their Childhood vaccines. When they did this Autism diagnosis went down dramatically. Also, the fact that the disease is non-existent in third world countries in which they do not vaccinate.

In America they still have to take mercury out of some vaccines. There is a possible link and they are now doing studies to see if there is an actual link. We will wait and see. If there is a link get that mercury out. Thankfully the mmr does not contain mercury. This is only a possible link as they also think it might be genetic.

The disease is not non-existent in the third world countries by the way.

Third world countries that do not vaccinate. Do not leave off the "do not vaccinate part."

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this might be helpful ollkiller

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must more infothe best link yet, to prove their are side effects when trying to play GOD

I do not want this thread to go in the direction of vaccianation controversy, but I gave you a few links that might help you understand, that we always need to seek God in evert aspect of our lives, including our nutritional Health.

But lets not forget (according to that article) some patients, in extreme cases of mental illness, kill people while still under medication, ruling out the "drugs might inhibit demons"

theory of mine. Could it be demonic deception that in some cases drugs work?

Right on target Wonderboy! Remember, Satan comes as an angel of light, and his sole purpose is to kill, steal, and destroy the person. The reason being he wants to keep them from having fellowship with God. He will try to duplicate GOD's blessings to dupe the person in not thinking he needs Jesus.Some people don't care if they have riches, as long as they have peace of mind, and others will not rest until they feel loved, and the enemy will give them fame, or beauty so that others superficially love them. Some are unhealthy, and place all their hope in the medical proffession.

Now. I will give you a view into the demonic attack on my husband starting out when he was born. (therefore do not believe your children are immune from satans attack on their souls!) My husband was born to a 16 year old mother, and 19 year old father. The mother quickly left him with his drunkard wild father, and he left him with his grandmother when he was still a newborn. Her gay son lived with her on their 90 acre farm. He lived their until he was 8. His daddy rarely visited him, and he says his uncle was like a father to him. He went to a little baptist church and when he was 8, he asked jesus into his heart, and was baptised. Then his mother came for a visit, and on the pretense of an overnight trip took him, but had no intentions of returning him. He was not allowed to call his granny or uncle. He moved around a lot with his alcoholic mother and stepfather along with his younger brother. He was sexually abused by his mother, and became the whipping boy for his littel half brother. His new parents would fight each other, and try tokill each other. They finally settled down, and his step father had a lot of money. they lived well financially, but yet were very diysfunctional. They would have drunken bonfires where the mother would flirt with other men, and the step father would get violent. He witnessed his step father shove her in the fire one night . On a camping trip, she tried to run him off a cliff in their suburban. He was shot at age 10 on accident by one of the drunks at the party, and they took him to the hospital and left him alone to go back to the party. he and his brother were allowed to drink and smoke pot at age 12. When he was 14, his mother made a pass at him while they were all drunk, and he snapped. Attacking her. He was taken to Child Services, and his parents left him their to never see him again.His grandmother and uncle did an interstate compact when he was 15, and got custodyl of him. Before that happened, he had christian foster parents that wanted to adopt him, but when a neighbor saw him smoking in the back yard child services was called, and he was not allowed to be adopted. He was introduced to a lot of sexual things in kids homes, and was pretty messed up when he got back with his granny. He was an angry individual, and teachers abhored him. Yet his granny and uncle loved him. Then at 16, his uncle suffered a heart attack, and died right in front of my husband while he was performing cpr waiting on the ambulance. At the funeral, his granny suffered vertigo, and the extended family rushed her to a nursing home, and my husband was subsequently left homeless. His father stepped up, after that and brought him home to his third wife, and 5th child. The child was a terror, and when he and my husband got in a fight, the wife said "Me or your son" his father let her drop him off to child services. He then tried to commit suicide, and was admitted to the phsyc ward . He fought for a long time. Breaking restraints, forcing them to give him horse tranqulizers at times. Then eventually he calmed down with drugs. By the time he got out, he did not remeber his pain. or the traumatic events which caused it. He was in a boys home, and earned his diploma, with the help of a gay teacher that had actually planned his escape. The man was going to let my husband live with him,but officials found out, and he was fired. My husband said you could have broken a chair over him after he was in that institution, and he would have smiled. Nothing could make him angry.Then slowly but surely he became angry again, but did not know why. Then he got into witchcraft.

When he met me, he said he was an orphan, and could not remember much about his childhood. He even had a friend that was a PI, looking for his father, because he had the name, but did not know how he got it. THen when his aunt contacted us, he started remembering things, and he flipped. He was angrier, and it was crazy for a while. Then he remebered his granny, and took me to see her in the nursing home. She was ecstatic. She was 92 years old. we told her we were pregnant, and brought our son to see her lots before she died.We had just gotten married when we found out she was sick, then our car died, then our son got deathly sick, and we went to the hospital.The same day, his granny died. He only visited us twice while we were in the hospital, and then my mom was an absolute butt,and ended up causing him to miss his granny's funeral.

Soon after, I was saved, and one night before I really knew how to pray i lay awake beside my sleeping husband, and looked over at him ,patted him on the chest and said "God will get you too." All of a sudden, I felt hands grab me and pull me deep down into the mattress. I could barely breathe and was sure i was going to die. I was looking up at the ceiling, because i could not move, and I heard a quiet quiet voice say "I am the only one that can free you from this. All I could do was pray, but didn't know how, so i said. "Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep," (but I couldn't rember the rest of the prayer) over and over again. Shortly after, a wave of peace came over me and I went to sleep. At that time I realized that the enemy was going to fight hard for my husband. Yeah before, we were quite dysfunctional, but when I became a christian, ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE! Husband started doing drugs more, and became unfaithful, abusive, and downright nasty. At times he has confused me with his mother. Then I fasted one day to quit smoking. I did not have a church, but listened to christian radio, and I remember hearing a news story sharing something about fasting so I did it. then at or around that time i heard of laying on of hands. I had no idea what that was, and don't rember the topic, but it wasn't an informative story in order to teach it, but either way I remmber the statement. One day after I quit smoking, i walked over to my smoking mothers house, and was not tempted, then we got a phone call that my husband was having seizures or something in the driveway of his work. He fell out of his truck still in drive having a deadly heat stroke. I was in my mom's driveway when that happened. They told me to head to the hospital where the ambulance would be taking him. My mom saw the expression on my face, and was curious. When I got off the phone, I had this insane idea, and was scared as anything of the judgement I would recieve, but I dropped to my knees, and raised my hands to the heavens. I cried out to God to protect my husband, and not let him leave this world. I went to my house and got my purse. By this time I was in panic, and went back to my mothers because she would drive me. My mom asked me if I wanted a cigarette, and I really wanted one, but the quiet voice said again only cry out to me. So i said "NO". I called my husbands boss back, and he was with my husband. I knew they might get aggrivated, but quiet voice was telling me to tell my husband to hang on because people loved him. His boss put the phone to his ear, and all my husband could do would moan and scream. I said "Honey,I know you can hear me. I love you, and this will pass.You will not die!" I did not think that he would respond, because he was not the romantic type, but his boss later said that was the first time they saw his eyes, and his face looked normal and not contorted. The people that witnessed it, tear up anytime they tell that story. As we were riding to the hospital I had this huge fear come over me that he would die. Then that small voice said "You have prayed for his salvation. It hasn't happened yet. He will not die." Then all of a sudden, I remembered the statement of laying on of hands. I saw a vision that clearly showed that the hands did not have the power, but were a conduit to allow GOd's healing power. I saw an angel wanting to help my husband. I wasn't like some blockbuster movie vision, but it was clear to me what it was that I needed to do when I got their. when I got their, the nurses told me the seizures, or better explained "whole body charlie horses" were coming in waves every 2 minutes apart. I walked in, and my husband saw me and cried. He could not talk yet, and he was ashamed. My mom had waited in the waiting room, so I was relieved, because I did not know how to do the whole laying on of hands thing. I wanted a huge voice totell me when to do it, or something, then my husband went into another convulsion. I walked over, and i just put my hand on him. When I did that, I had the distinct feeling that there was an angel beside me. I said in my head moving my lips quietly "Lord I cant' do it. But you told me to do this, so I have faith you can. "Then the Lord told me to tell death to get off of my husband. I went to say it, and his convulsion seemed to get stronger, and then with the strength of the HOly Spirit, I overcame my doubt that the prayer wasn't working, and I told the convulsion to stop. It did! We sat their,and then myhusband began tobe able totalk. He seemed more coherent. the doctor came in, and said that he would be able to go home because he hadn't had the cramps in hours and even though they weren't confident that he would live earlier, he seemed totally recovered, and that they would send him some morphine, and to expect the covulsions to come farther apart, but they would last for another 24hours atleast. As we were waiting on the discharge papers, he went to have another convulsion. All I did was put my hand on his chest, and say leave. and it did. After that, to God's glory, he never had another convulsion.

Many many many other things have happened for the enemy to try and kill our marriage.Some demons attack, and some demons are passed down by parents, then others are allowed in. I think my husbands life has shown examples of all of them. wisdom is needed to deal with all. the ones that attack can be defeated in the Name of Jesus, and prayer and fasting. The generational ones need to be dealt with in counseling, and acknowledgement in the BLood of the Lamb that has defeated the curse. In that area, the person needs a personel relationship with Jesus, and his counseling done through his spirit, and his saints. when sin allows a deomonic stonghold such as witchcraft, pornography, unforgiveness, lack of faith or pride, the sin needs to be confessed and repented. Then the whole needs to be filled up with God's word, spirit and fellowship.

My husband at this point is not saved, but is making progress, and will not deny that he has seen God's supernatural work in his life. He has a lot of baggage, and could be a prime candidate for taking drugs for depression. He has acknowledged the one that helped him the most would moslt likely kill our love life, and probably have harmful effects on a baby if it were conceived. He took St. Johns Wort for a period, but if he missed a dose, or we didn't have the money to buy it, he would go in extreme withdrawals, and become irrational when he was angry. Yet the herb would not stop some of the things that cause a major problem in our love life caused by s/a. A drug could very easily ease the pain that emotions cause us, but they do not heal the reason we have those negative emotions, and therefore blind us to the need for Jesus' resurection power in our lives. So yes, I think it is demonic deception.

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Churches who properly practice deliverance do not have members who suffer from mental illness.

AMEN!!

Where do you go to Church!!

Blessings, Karen

I very seldom go to "Church." I will go to a church when called to minister at it. However If not ministering, I usually do not go. I enjoy meeting with groups of on fire belivers in our homes. Some would call them "home churhces." I really do not refer to them as that. The word tells us to not forsake the gathering together of the brethren. However, it does not say "go hang out under the steeple and play social club." Too many churches are social clubs. Too many members are merely hanging out under the steeple with their friends. The fruits of both the churches and the individual believers bear witness to this.

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I have been adjucated as "severely mentally ill." I cannot work, do not go out in public (much) and spend much of my time here at Worthy laboring for our Lord. Many times, as Paul did in 2 Corinthians 12, I have prayed for relief, and many times I have been denied. As Paul, "...I am pleased in weaknesses, in insults, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am powerful." (2 Corinthians 12:10).

I do not blame demons for my illness, just as I do not blame God for it. Rather, I thank Him for the opportunity to serve those who are like me, suffering quietly, at times, behind a mask and often overlooked by others.

I am on medications, and, unless the Lord sees fit, probably will be for life. My illness is a "life sentence" that can be treated but cannot be cured by medicine as we know it now. True, God can relieve me of this burden in a nanosecond, but why? Would I like to be released from this prison? Of course! But I remember this is all about HIM, not ME. Job was afflicted for no apparent reason, he "... was perfect and upright, and one who feared God and turned aside from evil." (Job 1:1) Job's distress was far greater than I can contemplate; this little burden I carry seems far too inconsequential to complain about when compared to what Job endured (and triumphed over).

We are to do all for His greater glory, and if God desires me to carry this little cross, I am all for it! I hate taking the medicine (even though it smells of vanilla, lol) but know I need to do so to maintain my equilibrium. If this is ALL He has for me to bear, I praise Him and count myself blessed, indeed!

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Churches who properly practice deliverance do not have members who suffer from mental illness.

AMEN!!

Where do you go to Church!!

Blessings, Karen

I very seldom go to "Church." I will go to a church when called to minister at it. However If not ministering, I usually do not go. I enjoy meeting with groups of on fire belivers in our homes. Some would call them "home churhces." I really do not refer to them as that. The word tells us to not forsake the gathering together of the brethren. However, it does not say "go hang out under the steeple and play social club." Too many churches are social clubs. Too many members are merely hanging out under the steeple with their friends. The fruits of both the churches and the individual believers bear witness to this.

My question then is HOW do you make this statement about churches..

Not to split hairs with you but it does not add up..

I agree on the social club statement.

But in my calling THEY are the ones we are sent to minister to as much as those who are of the un believing camp.

I preach on the drug culture and the access the enemy has had on the church. Some have even walked out when I speak about the drug epidemic W/I the church... oh my! ;)

I preach addressing your emotional issues, sin issues, unforgiveness... then healing and casting out demons... They go hand in hand.. We have to get back to the basics... there are hinderances that block healing..

How is the church going to get well if all those who are hearing from God these last days separate themselves? Can we address this area w/o causing division??

Yes, my support for the womens home depends on my itinerating. But that does not rule over what I have to share... even at the expense of not being supported..

Blessings, Karen

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Chief,

I did not see you say that your illness causes you to sin, and I did not see you blame God. YOu are a christian, and have hope in him. You are using your weakness to give God glory. You have prayed and felt the Lord tell you it was his will for your suffering.

1 Peter4:1216 & 19 Beloved, think it not stange concerning the fiery trial wichi s to try you, as though some stange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ happy are ye; for the Spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evil doer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed: but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that Judgement must begin at the house of God: and if it first beginat us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

19 Wherefore, let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

You are ministering to his body. Praise God for those that can sing "though there is pain in the offering, Blessed be the name of the LOrd!"

Thank-you for your post, and confirmation that not all illnesses are because of sin, or a demonic attack.

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I have been adjucated as "severely mentally ill." I cannot work, do not go out in public (much) and spend much of my time here at Worthy laboring for our Lord. Many times, as Paul did in 2 Corinthians 12, I have prayed for relief, and many times I have been denied. As Paul, "...I am pleased in weaknesses, in insults, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am powerful." (2 Corinthians 12:10).

I do not blame demons for my illness, just as I do not blame God for it. Rather, I thank Him for the opportunity to serve those who are like me, suffering quietly, at times, behind a mask and often overlooked by others.

I am on medications, and, unless the Lord sees fit, probably will be for life. My illness is a "life sentence" that can be treated but cannot be cured by medicine as we know it now. True, God can relieve me of this burden in a nanosecond, but why? Would I like to be released from this prison? Of course! But I remember this is all about HIM, not ME. Job was afflicted for no apparent reason, he "... was perfect and upright, and one who feared God and turned aside from evil." (Job 1:1) Job's distress was far greater than I can contemplate; this little burden I carry seems far too inconsequential to complain about when compared to what Job endured (and triumphed over).

We are to do all for His greater glory, and if God desires me to carry this little cross, I am all for it! I hate taking the medicine (even though it smells of vanilla, lol) but know I need to do so to maintain my equilibrium. If this is ALL He has for me to bear, I praise Him and count myself blessed, indeed!

Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, simply making a couple of points. It can in no way be shown in scripture that Paul's thorn in the flesh was physical sickness. The Greek text plainly says that his thorn was an angel of Satan sent to buffett his ministry. The physical ailments suffered by Paul were all due to beatings, roddings, etc that he suffered at the hands of men. The Demon was attacking his ministry, there is ample evidence to support that. The demon was even driving men to attack Paul, but the demon was not directly causing Paul to be sick. There is not scriptural evidence that can be presented to say the thorn was physical sickness. To contend that Paul's thorn in the Flesh was sickness is merely adding 2 and two and arriving at 5. The text is plain on the issue of the thorn. The text plainly states that the thorn was a messenger/angel (words in Greek are interchangable) of Satan.

Job's trials were pre-cavalry. They were even pre-old covenant. Job did not have the covenant authority given him that we as new covenant believers have been given.

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I really do not understand your question. I make that statement about churches as a whole because I have attended many. Been a member at a couple. I am even licensed by one and hold ordination with its denomination. I know several "awesome" churches. I am by no means saying that all churches are luke warm. I am merely stating the obvious that the church as a whole has become luke warm. That is of no surprise considering Christ prophesied this would happen. The church as a whole is lukewarm. Remnants are not. However, there are not within reasonable driving distance any churches I would consider on fire.. I would much rather gather together with 15 or so people in our homes and have bible study than go to the traditional church building.

Sorry, my question was lost in the mess.

My question is how do you say,

"There is no mental illness where the church ministers deliverance" and then say you do go to church... so to say. ?? ;)

How do we minister to those who have bought into the deception when we have separated ourselves from making a difference??

When I am not doing a service and I have to 'go' to church (local believing body/building/gathering), even when I recoil at some of the deadness and bondage. I still am required by the Lord to speak life into those the Lord sends me one at time..

I pray for the Pastor to move into the higher calling.. apply Grace to the things that don't quiet add up.

I am expecting the Lord to move on the body of Christ and bring about the brokeness it takes to see the latter rain harvest.

Church needs healing first before we will be able to bring in those who are broken and beat down..

We need a revelation of what "sin" truly is. God's perspective on it..

There is an awakening... it is getting back to the basics. I choose to minister inside and out..

Sure, I get a lot of rejection for my stand.. I have learned to leave those up to the Lord.

Sure beats being offended and picking up them devil darts... :24:

Just my opinion...

Blessings, Karen

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I have been adjucated as "severely mentally ill." I cannot work, do not go out in public (much) and spend much of my time here at Worthy laboring for our Lord. Many times, as Paul did in 2 Corinthians 12, I have prayed for relief, and many times I have been denied. As Paul, "...I am pleased in weaknesses, in insults, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am powerful." (2 Corinthians 12:10).

I do not blame demons for my illness, just as I do not blame God for it. Rather, I thank Him for the opportunity to serve those who are like me, suffering quietly, at times, behind a mask and often overlooked by others.

I am on medications, and, unless the Lord sees fit, probably will be for life. My illness is a "life sentence" that can be treated but cannot be cured by medicine as we know it now. True, God can relieve me of this burden in a nanosecond, but why? Would I like to be released from this prison? Of course! But I remember this is all about HIM, not ME. Job was afflicted for no apparent reason, he "... was perfect and upright, and one who feared God and turned aside from evil." (Job 1:1) Job's distress was far greater than I can contemplate; this little burden I carry seems far too inconsequential to complain about when compared to what Job endured (and triumphed over).

We are to do all for His greater glory, and if God desires me to carry this little cross, I am all for it! I hate taking the medicine (even though it smells of vanilla, lol) but know I need to do so to maintain my equilibrium. If this is ALL He has for me to bear, I praise Him and count myself blessed, indeed!

Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, simply making a couple of points. It can in no way be shown in scripture that Paul's thorn in the flesh was physical sickness. The Greek text plainly says that his thorn was an angel of Satan sent to buffett his ministry. The physical ailments suffered by Paul were all due to beatings, roddings, etc that he suffered at the hands of men. The Demon was attacking his ministry, there is ample evidence to support that. The demon was even driving men to attack Paul, but the demon was not directly causing Paul to be sick. There is not scriptural evidence that can be presented to say the thorn was physical sickness. To contend that Paul's thorn in the Flesh was sickness is merely adding 2 and two and arriving at 5. The text is plain on the issue of the thorn. The text plainly states that the thorn was a messenger/angel (words in Greek are interchangable) of Satan.

Job's trials were pre-cavalry. They were even pre-old covenant. Job did not have the covenant authority given him that we as new covenant believers have been given.

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