Do you have personal Christian Friends who are Gay?

[jackie d]

I had a wondeful gay friend who excepted how I felt biblically as well as a bisexual Uncle. If the gay friend decided to live my lifestyle in the fullness of Loveing Jesus ..I would have married Him.

He would joke around with me "Are you sure you are Born again" I would answer. "Are you sure you are Gay" We would laugh together. Our affections were true. I loved him as a person...I loved him as Jesus would Love him. He died of liver cancer at a young age and went into the arms of Jesus. I cried because his torment was over. But because I loved Him so.

The last year my Uncle was alive, he died from bone cancer, He had many visitations from heaven securing the foundation already laid for Him. A huge and I mean Huge King James bible came from no place. It disappeared after he died. He told me this before dying "Patricia, the life I lead was not a life pleasing to God. Although I understand now Jesus loves me and will not reject me. Tell them it is wrong. And is it okay if I fall in love with Jesus?" The poor man was afraid His Love for Jesus was coming from a perversion... In which it was not. His only regret was not knowing Jesus earlier. I just told him it is Gods perfect timing for him and let no one interfere any longer, not even me with his love affair with Jesus.

He died a woderful peaceful death. I was there and even helped the funeral director carry out his body. He was over six foot tall and not had enough men. I felt priveleged.

So let The love of Jesus speak louder than anything. a calm and silent witness. For Jesus Loves sinners. He doesn't like what we do. It takes time for some to come to the relization and we know what time it is unless we hear from Jesus. patricia1

I am sorry for the loss of your friend and uncle in your life patricia, but I am so happy that you were blessed to know such love that comes from a place that looks beyond the sin of people and see the beautiful being that God created and loves so very much.

blessings

[-Nolongerinwaiting-]

I would like to hear from your personal experiences if you have Christian Friends who are Gay ? I've often heard in other Worthy Topics where people speak of their "many" gay friends. I was just wondering, if you know someone who lives a homosexual lifestyle (which we're instructed is sexual sin, along with many other types), or if you perhaps attend church with a friend who is a practicing homosexual, do you feel comfortable with your relationship knowing that the Bible forbids it!

1Cor 5:9-13 When I wrote to you before (meaning Paul to Cor.), I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in suexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. What I meant was that you ar not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian, yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy , or worships idols, or is abusive or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people.

It isn't my responsibility to dudge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. God will judge those on the outside, but as the Scriptures say, "you must remove the evil person from among you." (I can only assume that we are not to associate with these type of sinners for fear that it might eventually lend itself to an "accepting" tendency, or even worse!

It is very evident that with all the recent Judicial and Legislative decision making on the "homosexual orientation" agenda, that many are becoming "desensitised" in this area of life, and it's becoming a more acceptable "lifestyle" even though we all know God's views on it.

And I do realize that we are to "LOVE" or neighbors as we love our own, so before you go off defending another scripture/verse here, I would ask that we stay on topic and on "scripture."

Thanks in advance

Any thoughts?

Cajunboy

[Treasure]

To 4given1, I amm glad that your relationship with your gay friend is one of of explaining repentance to him. The completion can only be accomplished by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Sorry if I was a bit terse, but it makes a difference when one knows the whole story.Because of experience I have a very strong aversion to the subject of homosexuality.

have a nice day.

eric.

Hello eric. Thank you for your post. I know that his salvation will only come as a result of conviction from the Holy Spirit. Yes, you were a bit terse but it's ok. Everyone is that way from time to time. As for the strong aversion, I completely understand. I'm sure there are those that God brings into your path to minister and witness to that I couldn't. That's the beauty of the Body of Christ. He has equipped and called each of us to specific areas of ministry.

God's love to you,

4given1

[Rick-Parker]

First, let me say that as a health care professional I have worked with, treated and been a witness to every kind of person. That being said....

I know this has all be said before and I'm a late comer, but I want to add my 2 cents. The gay lifestyle is a choice, not a mistake of God. No one is "born gay." Being homosexual is not a sin. What is a sin is homosexual behavior, even monogomous. Lots of people say love the sinner, hate the sin. But that is not scriptural. We are to love others as God loves us. That love is tough when it comes to "willful" sin. Particularly when it comes to homosexual behavior. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. But the condoning of homosexual behavior (along with abortion) have become major detriments to society. That (homosexuality) has caused some denominations to openly welcome homosexuals as parishioners and then as ministers. To deny that it is even a sin. That is outragious in my opinion. I believe that if a person can continue in any bahavior or sin without spiritial conviction, then they need to look inside themself to determine is they are "really" saved. I do believe OSAS, and being "really" saved changes your life and forces you to turn your back on sin. You still sin, but the Holy Spirit within you will not tolerate you saying it is ok every time you choose to repeat a particular sin. You have to say to yourself "I'm going to look at pornagraphy today, or smoke crack or have homosexual relations" before you do it. That is willful sin and God will not be mocked. Well....I guess I gave y'all 3 cents. God Bless

Rick

Edited for spelling.

Edited February 5, 2008 by Brandon's Popo

[Neopatriarch]

I would like to hear from your personal experiences if you have Christian Friends who are Gay ? I've often heard in other Worthy Topics where people speak of their "many" gay friends. I was just wondering, if you know someone who lives a homosexual lifestyle (which we're instructed is sexual sin, along with many other types), or if you perhaps attend church with a friend who is a practicing homosexual, do you feel comfortable with your relationship knowing that the Bible forbids it!

I had a friend that was gay when I was in high school (more of an acquaintance really). He would come to school wearing skirts until the principal made him change. When he asked me for a hug I was very reluctant but I finally conceded and made sure that my end of it was as sterile as I could make it. I think he was trying to recruit me. I was not comfortable with that.

After that I didn't know any gay people until after I left the military and a short time in college out in CA. Then I met a lesbian at a job I worked at. Actually, she was an FtM transsexual. She started taking androgel (male hormones) and got a mastectomy. It was really weird. Like male puberty her voice started changing and her fat reserves moved from her but to her stomach. Then she started getting some peach fuzz on her face. I don't think anyone at her new job knows that she is female.

At my current job, a guy I work with has committed homosexual acts but does not consider himself a homosexual. He told me he is about to become a confirmed Christian at his church, which is very liberal and open to homosexuality. His church performs same sex marriages. I'm wondering, should I shun him after he is confirmed? Also, what does the bible say about civil unions?

-Neopatriarch

[Rick-Parker]

If you committ homosexual acts, you are a homosexual. If your friend becomes a "confirmed" Christian, you should be able to see outward signs of his conversion. Like repentence. Like the forsaking of the idea that it is ok to break God's charges, commandments, statutes and laws;

Genesis 26:4-5 "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."(KJV)

Exodus 19:5 "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:" (KJV)

He should know, from you if you are able, that the Bible calls homosexuality "an abomination" to God. He is very clear about homosexually, transsexuality and crossdressing;

Leviticus 18:22-30 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God." (KJV)

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV)

Deuteronomy 22:5 "A woman shall not wear that which pertaineth to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an abomination to the Lord thy God."(KJV)

God specically warned Israel and thus us, in 1^st Kings;

1 Kings 14:22-24 "And Judah did evil in the sight of the Lord, and they provoked Him to jealousy with their sins which they had committed, above all that their fathers had done.

23 For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and under every green tree.

24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel."(KJV)

God is also very specific about churches who welcome such activities.

Jeremiah 6:15 "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord."(KJV)

Ezekiel 5:5-9 "Thus saith the Lord God; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

7 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;

8 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.

9 And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations."(KJV)

Ezekiel 44:6-9 "And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,

7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel."(KJV)

Luke 16:13-15 "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.

15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God."(KJV)

It is your/our responsibilty to witness to homosexuals. It is your/our responsiblity to show these gospel admonitions to them. If they reject your/our witness over time, then you/we are bound to walk away.

Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a

testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.(KJV)

Tough love, but firm and uncompromising. That is what Christ calls us to do.

[Smalcald]

To me part of it is a privacy issue. I don't want to know what they do in bed, and they better not ask me what I do in bed with my wife. I don't admonish divorced people to return to their marriage and still maintain those friendships so for me this is a hard issue. Sin is sin so how far do we go in correcting and admonishing the sin of other people we know?

For me it is this way, my congregation firmly rejects and preaches that all sex outside of marriage is sin including gay sex. I don't know any open gays in my congregation, and in fact if we had gays who were open and public with their homosexuality they would receive church discipline eventually leading to excommunication from the congregation. Now scripture tells us to shun people who are named brothers who refuse to repent of these sorts of sins, to not even eat with them, but this is about Church discipline, not our relationships outside of church.

[Rick-Parker]

To me part of it is a privacy issue. I don't want to know what they do in bed, and they better not ask me what I do in bed with my wife. I don't admonish divorced people to return to their marriage and still maintain those friendships so for me this is a hard issue. Sin is sin so how far do we go in correcting and admonishing the sin of other people we know?

I totally agree. Homosexuals insist on throwing their orientation in our faces in every walk of life. I have always said that I don't walk aroung telling everyone that I am hetero, so why do they have to tell me they are homosexual? They say it is because they want to be "accepted like every one else." They are accepted as individuals, just as everyone else is. When you start forcing yourself on everyone else is when you set yourself apart from everyone. I think that employee benefits and the like should be granted to long term partners (straight or not) with out concern for gender. But I disagree with constitutional amending or legislating change concerning domestic partners and civil unions. Bottom line, I won't ask, and you don't tell. Get it out of my face and out of the schools. Amen!

[Smalcald]

I agree.

[MeCajunboy]

First, let me say that as a health care professional I have worked with, treated and been a witness to every kind of person. That being said....

I know this has all be said before and I'm a late comer, but I want to add my 2 cents. The gay lifestyle is a choice, not a mistake of God. No one is "born gay." Be homosexual is not a sin. What is a sin is homosexual behavior, even monogomous. Lots of people say love the sinner, hate the sin. But that is not scriptural. We are to love others as God loves us. That love is tough when it comes to "willful" sin. Particularly when it comes to homosexual behavior. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. But the condoning of homosexual behavior (along with abortion) have become major detriments to society. That (homosexuality) has caused some denominations to openly welcome homosexuals as parishioners and then as ministers. To deny that it is even a sin. That is outragious in my opinion. I believe that if a person can continue in any bahavior or sin without spiritial conviction, then they need to look inside themself to determine is they are "really" saved. I do believe OSAS, and being "really" saved changes your life and forces you to turn your back on sin. You still sin, but the Holy Spirit within you will not tolerate you saying it is ok every time you choose to repeat a particular sin. You have to say to yourself "I'm going to look at pornagraphy today, or smoke crack or have homosexual relations" before you do it. That is willful sin and God will not be mocked. Well....I guess I gave y'all 3 cents. God Bless

Rick

Blessings Rick, I must say that I'm in total agreement with you observation on "homosexuality." In particular, the point that one can have "homosexual" mannerisms and tendencies but must not act on them. '

I am one of those miracles Rick who turned from those evil ways in my teens. I am now married and have been for 36 years and have to wonderfully beautiful, Christian children.....fortunately! And as far as I'm concerned , you are also correct to assume that "with God's help" we can turn from this horrible atrocity that man has come to asscet as "natural," and 'genetic." I know many people who were not as fortunate as I and everyone I knew had suffered some type of sexual,mental, and physical abuse in early childhood. I also, realize that there are a number of souls out there that will have to "pick" a sexuality as a result of descendents sin! I also know that my descendents also suffered some types of sexual sins and many died with it on their souls....I WILL NOT! God has blessed me and given me the strength to overcome what most men could not. And I am greatful for that.

I do disagree a bit however, with your thoughts on "hating the sin." I have located at least two scriptures/veruss where God told Moses and man that "SIN angers HIM." With that saying, I have to believe that God also hates sin. And if we are to follow HIS path , I too will hate sin, and at the same time LOVE the sinner. I wondered if this feit scares you a bit because man is hardly designed to Love and hate almost simultaneously? But I do understand that if we hate sin, we have a better chance at seeing satan approah us with it and can ward it off sooner.

Thanks for you support and input . I will try to email you with my post as I'm not sure if you will get the chance to read it!

Blessings

In God's Love

Cajunboy