God is salvation

[Yahweh is salvation]

( Philippians 2.5-10).

When I read this , to me that means that the Father is God and the Son is God, and there is two of them.

So, are you claiming the Scriptures say there are two Gods?

( Philippians 2.11)

And when I read this, to me it means that Father is God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord.

So are you there is another Lord than God?

No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing.

[Guest shiloh357]

( Philippians 2.5-10).

When I read this , to me that means that the Father is God and the Son is God, and there is two of them.

So, are you claiming the Scriptures say there are two Gods?

( Philippians 2.11)

And when I read this, to me it means that Father is God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord.

So are you there is another Lord than God?

No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing.

They are not confusing when you simply accept what they mean. The problem is that you are trying to process them through the filter of your rejection of Jesus' Deity.

It is not hard at all. In Phillipians two it shows Jesus emptying Himself, becoming flesh and becoming obedient to death. The clear implication is that Jesus preexisted His earthly appearance and that at that He was not subject to death prior to the cross. It speaks to both Jesus preexistence, which contradicts the notion that He is purely human and it also speaks to His power over death, which no man has ever possessed. Jesus died when He willingly gave up His spirit and left His body. Jesus was not killed or murdered. No one took Jesus life. Only God exercizes personal power over death and only God can lay clay claim to being eternally preexistant both of which Jesus lays claim to.

[Yahweh is salvation]

Moses and Jesus ( God is the saviour trough them).

No, that i not what the Bible says. The Bibles does not say that God is a savior through Jesus. It says Jesus is Savior

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

(Luke 2:11)

God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

(Acts 5:31)

Of this man's offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised.

(Acts 13:23)

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

(Ephesians 5:23)

and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

(2 Timothy 1:10)

Those are just a few places where Jesus, Himself is called "Savior." You call on us to read our Bibles, but it is clear that you don't really know what the Bible says.

They didn't beleive that he was the messiah. Thats why they wanted to stone him.

That is not why they claimed they wanted to stone Him. They were not arguing with Jesus over whether He was the Messiah. His Messiahship was not hte topic under discussion and does not appear in the text. Their claim was that Jesus was making Himself equal to God and they proclaimed that as their grounds for wanting to stone Him.

Jesus is our Saviour, he is the head of the church, but he is those thinghs because God ( Father ) send him to be those things. We are all reading the same Bible, but we all dont have the same view. Jesus wanted us to beleive that he is our Saviour and nothing more. And that in it self is a beautifull thing.

Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ!

God bless you.

[Yahweh is salvation]

( Philippians 2.5-10).

When I read this , to me that means that the Father is God and the Son is God, and there is two of them.

So, are you claiming the Scriptures say there are two Gods?

( Philippians 2.11)

And when I read this, to me it means that Father is God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord.

So are you there is another Lord than God?

No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing.

They are not confusing when you simply accept what they mean. The problem is that you are trying to process them through the filter of your rejection of Jesus' Deity.

It is not hard at all. In Phillipians two it shows Jesus emptying Himself, becoming flesh and becoming obedient to death. The clear implication is that Jesus preexisted His earthly appearance and that at that He was not subject to death prior to the cross. It speaks to both Jesus preexistence, which contradicts the notion that He is purely human and it also speaks to His power over death, which no man has ever possessed. Jesus died when He willingly gave up His spirit and left His body. Jesus was not killed or murdered. No one took Jesus life. Only God exercizes personal power over death and only God can lay clay claim to being eternally preexistant both of which Jesus lays claim to.

Emptying Himself, what does that even mean?

[Guest shiloh357]

Moses and Jesus ( God is the saviour trough them).

No, that i not what the Bible says. The Bibles does not say that God is a savior through Jesus. It says Jesus is Savior

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

(Luke 2:11)

God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

(Acts 5:31)

Of this man's offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised.

(Acts 13:23)

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

(Ephesians 5:23)

and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

(2 Timothy 1:10)

Those are just a few places where Jesus, Himself is called "Savior." You call on us to read our Bibles, but it is clear that you don't really know what the Bible says.

They didn't beleive that he was the messiah. Thats why they wanted to stone him.

That is not why they claimed they wanted to stone Him. They were not arguing with Jesus over whether He was the Messiah. His Messiahship was not hte topic under discussion and does not appear in the text. Their claim was that Jesus was making Himself equal to God and they proclaimed that as their grounds for wanting to stone Him.

Jesus is our Saviour, he is the head of the church, but he is those thinghs because God ( Father ) send him to be those things. We are all reading the same Bible, but we all dont have the same view. Jesus wanted us to beleive that he is our Saviour and nothing more. And that in it self is a beautifull thing.

Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ!

God bless you.

Ha! That was not what you said originally. You said that God was the savior through Christ, now you are saying that Jesus is sent to be a Savior. So now, you back peddle and pretend that you meant something else altogether.

Jesus said a lot more about Himself than just being a Savior. Jesus said that He is the Resurrection and the Life. He said that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Jesus professed that He was the Messiah, and by affirming that He is the Son of God, He professed that He is God.

Furthermore, you cannot simply rest only on the words of Jesus. The WHOLE Bible is the word of God. And it says that Jesus was the creator of the world. When it says, "IN the Begginning God created the heavens the earth," It is really saying, "In The beginning, Jesus creatred the heavens and the earth." That is according Colossians chapter one. Paul delcares that Jesus preeisted creation.

You still have not responded to Hebrews Chapter One where God the Father says to Jesus

But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions." And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end."

(Hebrews 1:8-12)

All of that is what God the Father says to Jesus! God the Father calls Jesus, "God." You are you to say that the Father is wrong?

[nebula]

No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing.

OK, since you are being elusive, I am going to have to be blunt.

What is your religious affiliation? Mormon? Jehovah's Witness? Something else?

[Guest shiloh357]

Emptying Himself, what does that even mean?

What it refers to is that Jesus divested Himself of the mode of existence He knew when He preexisted His earthly birth. It means that he laid aside the form of God, but not His Divine Nature. His personality and those attributes which animated His existence with the Father in eternity past, remained, but He emptied Himself of several aspects of Divine priviledge. He took on flesh, but He was not changed into flesh. He simply and voluntarily and temporarily took on the physical limitations inherent in human flesh.

[Yahweh is salvation]

Moses and Jesus ( God is the saviour trough them).

No, that i not what the Bible says. The Bibles does not say that God is a savior through Jesus. It says Jesus is Savior

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

(Luke 2:11)

God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

(Acts 5:31)

Of this man's offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised.

(Acts 13:23)

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

(Ephesians 5:23)

and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

(2 Timothy 1:10)

Those are just a few places where Jesus, Himself is called "Savior." You call on us to read our Bibles, but it is clear that you don't really know what the Bible says.

They didn't beleive that he was the messiah. Thats why they wanted to stone him.

That is not why they claimed they wanted to stone Him. They were not arguing with Jesus over whether He was the Messiah. His Messiahship was not hte topic under discussion and does not appear in the text. Their claim was that Jesus was making Himself equal to God and they proclaimed that as their grounds for wanting to stone Him.

Jesus is our Saviour, he is the head of the church, but he is those thinghs because God ( Father ) send him to be those things. We are all reading the same Bible, but we all dont have the same view. Jesus wanted us to beleive that he is our Saviour and nothing more. And that in it self is a beautifull thing.

Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ!

God bless you.

Ha! That was not what you said originally. You said that God was the savior through Christ, now you are saying that Jesus is sent to be a Savior. So now, you back peddle and pretend that you meant something else altogether.

Jesus said a lot more about Himself than just being a Savior. Jesus said that He is the Resurrection and the Life. He said that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Jesus professed that He was the Messiah, and by affirming that He is the Son of God, He professed that He is God.

Furthermore, you cannot simply rest only on the words of Jesus. The WHOLE Bible is the word of God. And it says that Jesus was the creator of the world. When it says, "IN the Begginning God created the heavens the earth," It is really saying, "In The beginning, Jesus creatred the heavens and the earth." That is according Colossians chapter one. Paul delcares that Jesus preeisted creation.

You still have not responded to Hebrews Chapter One where God the Father says to Jesus

But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions." And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end."

(Hebrews 1:8-12)

All of that is what God the Father says to Jesus! God the Father calls Jesus, "God." You are you to say that the Father is wrong?

I know what I've said, both statements to me mean the same thing.

No, I'm not sayiong that God is wrong. But if Jesus is God, why doesn't he insted of saying," Son of Man, Son of God " just say, I am God.

[JB Horn]

No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing.

OK, since you are being elusive, I am going to have to be blunt.

What is your religious affiliation? Mormon? Jehovah's Witness? Something else?

Could be Christadelphian

JB

[Yahweh is salvation]

No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing.

OK, since you are being elusive, I am going to have to be blunt.

What is your religious affiliation? Mormon? Jehovah's Witness? Something else?

Could be Christadelphian

JB

None, I'm simply Christian.