antiaging Posted February 17, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2008 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. What happens during the 70 weeks, in Dan. 9:24-27, is described in detail in Dan. 11. 70 weeks, of 7 years periods of punishment were prophecied to happen to Israel as a nation and Jerusalem. 69 of those weeks happened to the coming of the Messiah. The 70th week is spoken of as separate from the first 69 weeks, in Dan. 9:27. Daniel 11 describes what happens during the 69 weeks, and what will happen during the last, 70th week in the future. Historically, Alexander the great's kingdom was divided into 4 parts among his 4 generals. Daniel 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. Daniel 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those. The northern kingdom containing Syria was at war with the southern kingdom of Egypt. Seleucid kings of Syria fighting the Ptolemies of Egypt. They would use Israel as a land bridge passing back and forth through Israel as they waged war. As they passed through they would persecute or punish the Jews. This went on for a long time involving different kings of the north and south. A rich king took over the northern kingdom, Tigranes, then Rome, under General Pompey, took it over from him, and made syria a tributary to Rome. So Rome became the northern kingdom. Pompey entered into Jerusalem and crucified many Jews. Daniel 11:13 For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches. Daniel 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed. Pompey and Julius Caesar were contending for the leadership of Rome. Caesar broke with the Senate, and declared himself dictator. Acting on his own behalf he chased Pompey away. Pompey went to the isles of greece to take many people for a new army to fight Caesar. Caesar defeated Pompey and chased him to Egypt, where Pompey was killed by the Egyptians to please Caesar. Daniel 11:18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. Julius Caesar then headed back toward Rome and had some minor wars in asia minor on his way back. Caesar went to Rome where he was assassinated by the Senators. Daniel 11:19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. Julius Caesar was the first to occupy the estate of ruler of Rome and chief Roman pontiff, ruler of the religion of Rome. The next one to occupy that estate was Caesar Augustus. He ruled Rome in the glory of the kingdom, the most properous time for the Roman empire, called pax romano. Augustus raised two great taxings, the first one cause Joseph to go to Bethlehem to be registered. He died neither in anger nor in battle shortly after the second taxing. Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Verse Dan. 11:21, is about the future antichrist. You can trace from there to the end of chapter 11 and it is referring to the same man. [A time break from the death of Jesus the Messiah to the future antichrist is in Dan. 9:26. The same time break is in Dan. 11 going from Caesar Augustus, who was alive when Jesus was a boy, to the future antichrist. The difference in these two time breaks is only a matter of about 19 years. Both go from the Messiah to the future antichrist.] Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Estate meaning legal position or title. The estate, of ruler of the Roman empire and chief Roman Pontiff, ruler of the Roman religion has passed on to the popes of Rome. The last one to occupy the estate should be the future antichrist. The popes now rule what is called the holy roman empire. The 70th or last week of 7 years of punishment on Israel will start when the future antichrist makes a 7 year agreement with Israel. Daniel 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:... Dan. 11:23 till the end of Dan. 12 is describing the final 7 years of the end of the world which is also described in Revelation. It is called the tribulation period. The last 3.5 years of it is called the great tribulation period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiaging Posted February 24, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. What happens during the 70 weeks, in Dan. 9:24-27, is described in detail in Dan. 11. 70 weeks, of 7 years periods of punishment were prophecied to happen to Israel as a nation and Jerusalem. 69 of those weeks happened to the coming of the Messiah. The 70th week is spoken of as separate from the first 69 weeks, in Dan. 9:27. Daniel 11 describes what happens during the 69 weeks, and what will happen during the last, 70th week in the future. Historically, Alexander the great's kingdom was divided into 4 parts among his 4 generals. Daniel 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. Daniel 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those. The northern kingdom containing Syria was at war with the southern kingdom of Egypt. Seleucid kings of Syria fighting the Ptolemies of Egypt. They would use Israel as a land bridge passing back and forth through Israel as they waged war. As they passed through they would persecute or punish the Jews. This went on for a long time involving different kings of the north and south. A rich king took over the northern kingdom, Tigranes, then Rome, under General Pompey, took it over from him, and made syria a tributary to Rome. So Rome became the northern kingdom. Pompey entered into Jerusalem and crucified many Jews. Daniel 11:13 For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches. Daniel 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed. Pompey and Julius Caesar were contending for the leadership of Rome. Caesar broke with the Senate, and declared himself dictator. Acting on his own behalf he chased Pompey away. Pompey went to the isles of greece to take many people for a new army to fight Caesar. Caesar defeated Pompey and chased him to Egypt, where Pompey was killed by the Egyptians to please Caesar. Daniel 11:18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. Julius Caesar then headed back toward Rome and had some minor wars in asia minor on his way back. Caesar went to Rome where he was assassinated by the Senators. Daniel 11:19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. Julius Caesar was the first to occupy the estate of ruler of Rome and chief Roman pontiff, ruler of the religion of Rome. The next one to occupy that estate was Caesar Augustus. He ruled Rome in the glory of the kingdom, the most properous time for the Roman empire, called pax romano. Augustus raised two great taxings, the first one cause Joseph to go to Bethlehem to be registered. He died neither in anger nor in battle shortly after the second taxing. Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Verse Dan. 11:21, is about the future antichrist. You can trace from there to the end of chapter 11 and it is referring to the same man. [A time break from the death of Jesus the Messiah to the future antichrist is in Dan. 9:26. The same time break is in Dan. 11 going from Caesar Augustus, who was alive when Jesus was a boy, to the future antichrist. The difference in these two time breaks is only a matter of about 19 years. Both go from the Messiah to the future antichrist.] Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Estate meaning legal position or title. The estate, of ruler of the Roman empire and chief Roman Pontiff, ruler of the Roman religion has passed on to the popes of Rome. The last one to occupy the estate should be the future antichrist. The popes now rule what is called the holy roman empire. The 70th or last week of 7 years of punishment on Israel will start when the future antichrist makes a 7 year agreement with Israel. Daniel 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:... Dan. 11:23 till the end of Dan. 12 is describing the final 7 years of the end of the world which is also described in Revelation. It is called the tribulation period. The last 3.5 years of it is called the great tribulation period. The 70 years in Dan. 9 are conscerned with the nation of Israel and the city of Jerusalem. You can see that in Dan 9:24. Moreover it is referring to the time period going from the time when Dan. is under the reign of Medo-Persia till the end of the world when the everlasting righteousness is broght in. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Dan. 11 is also referring to what happens to Israel, and also Jerusalem during the same time period going from Medo Persia to the end of the world on into Dan. 12. [chapter breaks are arbitrary] So the 70 weeks are described in detail in Dan. 11. Also, since all 70 weeks must happen on Israel as a people and on Jerusalem, they can only happen when Israel as a people are living in the land of Israel. Israel was not living as a nation in the land of Israel from AD 70 till 1948, which is why the last week the 70th is separate from the others. It says desolations are determined before the last week is spoken of. Those desolations lasted in history for over 1900 years. It ended when Israeli people again lived in the land as a nation in 1948, and later in control of Jerusalem, 1967. Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. The phrase "desolations are determined" separates verse 26 from verse 27 by over 1900 years. [The "one week" in 9:27, is the last and 70th week.] Edited February 24, 2008 by antiaging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elchingen Posted March 2, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/02/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/04/1970 Share Posted March 2, 2008 cardcaptor: I agree. This view can be substantiated by Christ Himself, where in Matthew He says: "Immediately following the distress of those days 'the sun shall be darkened, and the moon will not give it's light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken'(Isaiah 13:10, Ezekiel 32:7)" Matthew 24:29 When you reference the scripture Christ is quoting, these words are used by the prophets to describe the end of a nation. Christ was speaking of the end of Israel as his disciples must have known. Even if they did not, not perhaps being as versed in the word as Christ, surely He knew exactly what he was saying because He was repeating what he had already said to Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Joel. When Christ quotes Daniel about the "abomination that causes desolation", he is merely repeating Himself, and directing the disciples to the fulfillment of that prophecy. Why Daniel 9 and Matthew 24 are so consistently misrepresented by Christian "prophets" today, I do not know, but the fact that neither the "antichrist" nor the "abomination that causes desolation" are to be found in Revelation would lead one to discard the theory of the rebuilt temple, the antichrist, and the three and a half years. Instead, certain creative writers are reaping millions off of fictional representations of this theory and potentially deceiving many well-meaning Christians about what is soon to come to pass. Christs' Second Coming, as I understand it, IS the Rapture. There are not, to my mind, two seperate events, but ONE event, and that ONE event is the very one we all look forward to. The return of the King, the Lord Jesus Christ, to reclaim his Kingdom from Satan and his works--halleluja, and Amen! I would also read with caution the opening verses of Daniel 12. Verses 1-3 sound exactly like the death and resurrection of Christ. In Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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