stevehut Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Greetings, all: I realize that this is an extremely overworked topic here in the boards, but I'm still confused. So someone please help me out here... Many people have pointed out that the "mark" is already appearing every day, in the form of UPC barcodes that appear on grocery products in the supermarket. Since it appears on nearly every product, then "no one can buy or sell" without it. And so on. You get the idea. This is from a post on another Christian message board If you look at every corporate bar code on products we purchase. You will find two thin lines side by side, at the front, in the center and at the end of the bar code. The two thin lines represent the # 6. Since, we can not by or sell products without a MARK, maybe the Mark will include some kind of barcode to identify us... Please forgive my ignorance, but I'm still not keeping up. After working decades in the retail biz, (including the programming of cash registers and their connected databases) I can tell you that and it is simply not true. The bars on a UPC code represent the exact numbers that are printed under them. Nothing more, nothing less. Some UPCs have one or more 6's in them and some do not. There's a very easy way to test this: Just scan the code into an Excel spreadsheet, or some other accounting program, which is not connected to a product database. With no product to associate with, the program will have no other choice than to duplicate the exact digits that the bars represent - which will be the same as the numbers printed under the code. But ah, you say, the sixes are embedded deeper into the code, just to trick us into complacency. But this is literally impossible, even for the most skilled programmer, because every computer in the world, no matter the language or operating system, is constructed on a binary system. The only numbers that a computer really recognizes, are ones and zeros. Everything else that a computer does (including operations that don't involve numbers) is nothing more than a manipulation of those ones and zeros. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRaven Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,981 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1964 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I believe that it is more helpful to be consistent in scriptural interpretation than to try to apply the current events into it. If one wanted to determine what the mark of the beast actually was, one would have to do a study of marking in scripture. Though there is no way I'll ever get a barcode or a computer chip placed in or on me in any fashion, but that is because I'm a privacy nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Re 14:9 ...........If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand. ? I don't understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2008 It would be impossible to know for sure until after the fact. Probably not something worth worrying too much about. Even if it was a "bar-code", that does not make bar-codes evil in them selves or something we should avoid now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2008 Am I missing something? Yes, my dear friend. You are missing the paranoia that goes along with all false teachings. RunningGator brought up something to consider. The positions of the mark, forehead and hand, may very well mean what we think and do. Are they of God or are they of man? In other words, are we saved or not? As the word tells us, they will know us by our fruits. It may depend on which fruits we bare if the world will have anything to do with us. As EricH mentioned, we don't know what it truly means, so why waste the time worrying about an issue we can not prove nor disprove? Go In Gods Peace, OneLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted August 5, 2008 If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand. ? I don't understand... If you havn't done so, I would suggest you read Revelations. I posted this verse because it refers to a personal interaction with the person and the beast. Buying a box of cereal with a bar code , IMO, can hardly be construed to be a personal interaction. There is a great deal of symbolism in the book of revelations. However, we know from other scripture that there will be false prophets and that the antichrist will sway millions and I'm thinking that the beast is the antichrist. I don't concern myself with the interpretation of the book of revelations. G-d says He tells us these things only so that we will know of them and fear not. I only concern myself with my everyday walk, because I alone will be held responsible at the end of my walk for my actions and not my ability to interpret the book of revelations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Even if it was a "bar-code", that does not make bar-codes evil in them selves or something we should avoid now. Actually, my larger point was that most barcodes don't even contain the number 666. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Even if it was a "bar-code", that does not make bar-codes evil in them selves or something we should avoid now. Actually, my larger point was that most barcodes don't even contain the number 666. Even if every barcode did have the number, it would mean absolutely nothing. I don't believe the "mark" is a physical symbol or object. I believe it is spiritual in nature and is placed upon an individual by God Himself. It is God who marks these people, not the beast. I believe this verse has something to do with the "mark". 2 Thess. 2 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gathering material for your next book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted August 5, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2008 Actually, my larger point was that most barcodes don't even contain the number 666 I have never believed the bar code to be the mark of the beast. I have often heard the 'mark' was the ruler/king's picture or something like that which was put on the money and holding that money meant that person was your king/ruler. There are way too many ideas about this and still no one really knows what it is and I don't think anyone will until it is presented to the world. In the mean time I just don't worry about it but certainly pray that I will know it when I see/hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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