sandok

Fine, you know what guys, if you think I'm goading you, so be it, I give up. Enjoy your gospel and homo discussions...

Hard yes but not impossible... Tell me things you find "unprovable" and I will find you proof If I can. Just remeber, what is unprovable today is not unprovable forever. And I didn't want to aggravate anyone... Pffffff The best way to understand something is to interact with it. Any scientist will tell you that.

To try to understand what you guys think and live as... What, do I have no right to be here?

Show me the verses mate

Well I can answer the opposite in saying in OVER 4.5 billion years, anything is possible. I have studied philosphy and yes, how can something as beautfiul as life be a coincidence? God MUST have done it... Well if you go into science like I have, you will notice that life is just a fragile piece of luck with no manufactiring behind it. Evolution explains it all for me. I've heard it before that the truth is all around me and all but I don't believe in that because for me, everything around me is a geneitcal make up... A life form with certain DNA and all. Nothing godlike about it. But let's just stop... You know there is no middle ground since we have both made up our minds.

I got no problem with you believe in a god but the thing is, i need PROOF of what I see and what I live in... I mean, for you, if a big book full of stories is enough to satisfy your thrist for knowledge, then so be it. I find that accepting god is the simple answer to all of life's problems. I'm in no way trying to aggravate you people, just I don't share your views. I need solid proof and so far, only science has proven that. I mean, the Pope (thus christinaty) used to say that Galileo (the man who said the Earth is NOT the center of the universe)was a heritic and he was prosecuted and almost killed but the reason the Church back then never finished him off is because what he showed was irrefutible. The proof was solid. Before Pope Johny died, the actually admitted that Galileo was right (200 years late). Just to show you that even if in the bible it says the earth is the center of everything, science proved it otherwise and every person on this planet believes that. Because it's true and we have hardcore proof.

And what exactly does mankind have to offer you sandok ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Science and knowlegde. No blinding white light. Just the plain simple reality of the world. And why'd you itallic my pseudo?

I can see there is no point in continuing our discussion since our faiths clash. You believe in God, me in mankind so let it be that.

They aren't right? What makes you right by believing in it? Minority opinion does not equal truth.

I know many christians that don't take every word in the bible to face value

"Don't you think that God's sovereignty extends into the fact that He set up the rules that govern nature at the time of creation, therefore He is still ultimately in control whilst still allowing His [ created ] laws to run their course ?" No I don't because that would just be pointless extra work for him... Especially since he had only 7 days to create the world. Just because a passage in the bible said that he won't change doesn't mean it's true. If I tell you god just came to me and told me that he was powerless to stop katrina, would you believe me? No... And same goes for the bible. Some "men" wrote it way back and who knows what they might have been doing before writing that book! Honestly, I say that Katrina = Gloabal Warming and you guys have a lously president who just didn't look at the warnings seriously.

Trying to add some humor... Just because something is written in the bible back then doesn't mean it's true today. So how come we can PREDICT the weather if god is the one controling it? If it's god toy, then it's beyond human comphrension. How can we EXPLAIN weather (tornados and hurricans for example) if it's in god's control? How can we ANTICIPATE what he will do? Seriously, religion is okay and all but there are limits to what you must believe in.

That was back then when we was young and fit Healthy as an ox but according to Nietzche, he's suffocating under his own guilt and not well so I doubt he can do that anymore. And if he did it (which he didn't), why punish the US? I mean, you were heretics to begin with but that was a long time ago.

Just for your info, god doesn't control the weather...

by now evolution should be a fact. For the people among us, let me try to tell you what I know and please point out whatever is wrong. Big Boom. Universe. Galaxies. Milkyway ----> Solar system from primordial Sun. Earth. Okay so our planet is made, so far only the big boom is fishy and we're solving it. Dark matter, anti matter and other complicated things. So earth... Big planet, thick atmoshpere, tectonic mouvement, volcanic activity and stuff. Rain. Oceans. So we got water after MILLIONS and MILLIONS of years. Time. Time and Rain makes life with Oxygen and slowly, the first primordial bactery were made. How? God? Satan? No simply by the most simple explanation, a sudden change. An impact from a meteor, atmoshpere becoming very toxic, whatver. It just had to be a change and the Earth reacted by making life. So life evolves for millions of years and SUDDENLY, multi celled organisms. How? Again, not got or ET but a sudden change (meteor seems the simplest...) Anyways, if you use my arguments till now, no biggie. So life evoolves. Slowly but getting faster. Land animals start coming, trees, dinos, etc... Then mammels get the upper hand when dinos killed off. Keeps on moving till apes start getting smarter. They change according to the eviroment and what do you know? We find us at the end. So what is wrong with that? Where are the missing links?