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For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1 Thessalonians 5:9) [Emphasis added] What is the reason for the Tribulation, and who faces it? Can a Christian be partially saved, needing remedial judgment, wrath, and correction, and having a partial Holy Spirit indwelling? It seems to me Salvation (faith) and Reward (earned) are connected but not the same: Salvation is the deliverance from danger or suffering, with a focus on eternal spiritual deliverance in Christian doctrine. It involves being saved from God's judgment of sin and the removal of sin's consequences through faith in Jesus Christ. Salvation is a gift from God, achieved through Jesus' death and resurrection, and is only accessible through faith. To receive salvation, one must hear the gospel, believe in Jesus, repent from sin, and call on the Lord. The Christian doctrine of salvation entails being saved from eternal punishment for sin by accepting God's conditions of repentance and faith in Jesus. Salvation is exclusive to Jesus and relies solely on God for provision, assurance, and security. Got Questions? Bible Questions Answered REWARDS (Gk. misthos, meaning “hire, wage, reward,” Matt. 5:12, 46; 6:1; 10:41; Mark 9:41; 1 Cor. 3:8; etc.). Rewards are offered by God to a believer on the basis of faithful service rendered after salvation. It is clear from Scripture that God offers to the lost salvation and for the faithful service of the saved, rewards. Often in theological thinking salvation and rewards are confused. However, these two terms must be carefully distinguished. Salvation is a free gift (John 4:10; Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:8–9, whereas rewards are earned by works (Matt. 10:42; cf. Luke 19:17; 1 Cor. 9:24–25; 2 Tim. 4:7–8).[1] So, if we have Salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, even if we are slothful, we are still the sons of God, the bride of Christ, and saints. Will partial brides (the body of Christ) attend the marriage of the Lamb and marriage feast? I see participation and rule in the Millennial reign as potentially a reward for service (parables). Matthew's description of "outer darkness" may not be Hell but exclusion. Just thinking out loud with my thoughts. [1] Unger, Merrill F. “Rewards.” The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, edited by R.K. Harrison, Rev. and updated ed., Moody Press, 1988.

That's true!

Acts of kindness will have a lasting affect to unbelievers. I still recall acts of kindness by Christians toward me before I was Christian. I'm speaking 40+ years of remembrance.

With such closed eyes, of course you don't see anything. Because you don't want to. There are lots of facts that support an old earth and Genesis 1 being a restoration, but you just aren't interested in what you don't want to be. I've already shown you the Greek word that means "restore" in Heb 11:3, which refers to Genesis 1. And you call that insignificant. And there is Mark 10:6 - “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.'" Ken Ham uses this verse as a prooftext for a 6,000 year age of earth. However, if one does some research among scholarly textbooks in the reference section of a Christian University, they will find significant information. Mark 10:6 - “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ Obviously, the reference to Adam and the woman takes us to Genesis 1 and 2. 2 Pet 3:4 - They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” Again, the reference to “our ancestors” would take us back to the original parents, Adam and Eve, and Genesis 1 and 2. So, how do these verses relate to the age of the earth? The Greek word for “creation” in both verses is κτίσεως. My lexicon refers this word to ‘ktisis’. This Greek word is found under ‘κτίζω’. Under this word we read: “to reduce from a state of wildness and disorder”, from Bagster & Sons lexicon. Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 2936: κτίζω κτίζω: 1 aorist ἔκτισα; perfect passive ἐκτισμαι; 1 aorist passive ἐκτίσθην; the Sept. chiefly for בָּרָא; properly, to make habitable, to people, a place, region, island (Homer, Herodotus, Thucydides, Diodorus, others); hence to found, a city, colony, state, etc. So from 2 independent Greek lexicon sources, this Greek word for ‘creation’ refers to a creation from a state of disorder and wildness. Or, to make something habitable that wasn’t habitable before. Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament notes that in a long dissertation of κτίζω, that “in the religion of many peoples chaos stands at the beginning of being and becoming”. The account of creation from Adam and Eve was passed down among the generations. So the common thread of “chaos” in so many different religions would have come from what Genesis 1:2 actually says in the original, not in how most English translation renders it. The Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament, by Balz and Schneider Eds. makes notes that “the OT creation narratives are most intelligible within the framework of ancient Near Eastern views, each motif has parallels. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology & Exegesis, by Sylva, notes that κτίζω is used in the the Septuagint for the rebuilding of Jerusalem in Ezra 5:17. It further notes that the word group for κτίζω is used always of divine creation, with 1 exception, in 1 Pet 2:13. Silva also connects κτίζω with the believer being a new creation. This point is also noted in Kittel’s text. This parallels the restoration of the earth in Gen 1 with regeneration of the believer. Thus,I've cited 5 scholarly texts that address the Greek word for "creation" and they all point to a "creation from chaos", and the LXX used for "rebuilding of Jerusalem in Ezra 5:17". You've been given AMPLE evidence for Genesis 1 being a restoration of earth for man's use.

New believer may love to start reading Genesis. If one have Bible he or she will read it at any time or from any verses or chapters from any Books in the Bibles.

I donot think so, most new Christians and unbelievers may love to read from the old Testament, because they have eagerness to know more. New believers may not understand old Testament soon but their willingness to know more will help I think it's enemies plan to keep people from reading or mediating God 's Word. Here if one is not getting Bibles or not reading its enemy who has blocked it

I have given Bibles to both believers and unbelievers I personally feel others should started reading psalm first and any scripture which God may guide. I can give Bible and they may start as they like some many want to read old Testament first

As I recall, his focus was on the day-age theory, to explain the age of the earth. He gave no Scriptural support. Just an opinion (theory) about how the earth could be far older than Adam, all from 'the six days'. He ignored the meaning of the key Hebrew words in v.2, which are found elsewhere in the OT where their meaning is clear. If he quoted Scripture to support his theory, I must have missed it. What stood out to you as reasonable evidence for his theory?

Yes, I understand that...Christ is revealed even in Genesis 3:15. However, most new Christians and unbelievers would be helped by reading the words of Christ as found in the Gospel of John. Once they have come to Christ, they can then get grounded in the entire Word of God.

I think most (Not all) Bibles distributed for free are treated as being worth exactly what was paid for them, by those that receive one. A very few will be kept, never mind read. Might pray for God to lead some individual(s) into interest about Him, and for opportunity to go through the Bible verse by verse with that few that are called by the Holy Spirit to come and understand what the Bible reveals first. Otherwise might just have tracts and pass them out, few will read them, but at least they won't clog the toilet if tossed in. Evangelism is a long haul slog more than a quick "here's a Bible God bless" moment. Yes start with prayer, add much thinking, and reading the word itself, pray and wait on the lead of the Lord through the Holy Spirit. That is my thought on the question posed in the thread opening.

Without the Old testament there is no basis for the New Covenant. Yeshua is found revealed within all of the Bible, that is what the Bible does- reveal Yeshua.

And yet God led me to first read Job. Go figure. As to the Gideon's, the first Bible I read was a Gideon provided Bible at the motor hotel we operated at the time. There were 145 Gideon Bibles complete with Old testament and new covenant available to me, all provided by the Gideons at no cost; and one day I was led to read within one of them. They were complete Bibles.

Are you giving Bibles to believers only? In my missions course we were taught: For unbelievers and newer Christians it is always recommended for them to start reading the Gospel of John first. The Gospel of John has many sayings from Jesus and confirms His deity.

Why do you say true believers? That is partial rapture. Only the true believers get raptured. Some of the ones who believe but are not right with God get a second chance, but that's based on Ken Peters' dream. A man said he had not been right with God, shared the Gospel to him, 2 weeks after he got that dream he got saved and in the dream he got saved and that man was a leader in the revival during the trib. That's maybe Luke 12: Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would [g]have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” 41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?” 42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food [h]in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. The virgins are not unbelievers. They were going oit to meet the bridegroom and virgins. I read once that a translation says their lamps had gone out. Are going out or had gone out, they had oil in the past. For instance someone serves God but then divorces, takes offense, is full of hate and lives in sin with someone else. And then is the rapture. This person will miss it cause he or she backslid. But that's not bad enough to lose your salvation. I know cause I came back. But there is a chance to get killed by a bomb and go to hell if your mom doesnt pray or if youmake it to end up like that guy who later got his head cut off too in the dream. But he did have revival and got a part of the uncountable multitude in. Why would He warn us to watch if we get raptured anyway? The deception is just satan always lying to young believers that they are not good enough. I believe a baby christian who just got saved a day ago will get raptured. No wait. Luke 12, comes back from the wedding, that is about the end when there are no 2nd chances anymore. Cut him in half does not sound like there's a second chance. He says it in Revelation 16:15 too.

Oh yes you're right. I was just thinking that. The ones with Jesus, that wasn't a rapture. But it's not clear to me if the 144.000 die. If not it can be a second rapture and the 2 witnesses get raised and then ascend, oh that's not a rapture either.

Well, for starters you are in error, I stated I know more bout End Time Eschatology than anyone I have ever met, seen, read et al. That is not all prophecy, that is not my calling. All this has been given unto me in the last 8 or so years since I had my heart attack. I see things others do not see, and as a guy who never has been one to say things I do not know, for 30 years I did not know these things, God has chosen to reveal them now, too many people have their own agenda. But I have always been able to hear the voice of the Lord, I can tell if something is of God or not in 5 minutes, but God was not ready to unlock everything until the very end, so I did not speak what I did not know for 30 years, tats not my style. Here is what gets me, you expect me to pretend I do nit know I guess and say I do not understand what I do know, that is so very amusing. All because you can not understand the things I put forth, well maybe that is on you brother, because when you get to heaven and find out everything I put forth was factual, then you will understand my calling is my calling, not your calling. I wonder why God told me in a 1986 Vision "The Man of Sin is Here" or am I just a loud talking fibber type? I put out things not everyone can grasp because many are not willing to step back from things they learned. Well, I learned things for 30 years, and when I prayed unto God and asked why we as a church are not all in accord and getting the end time blessings and UNDERSTANDINGS God promised in Daniel, that's when I got this......"Ron, you guys already know it all" So, unlike others, I understood I had to do one thing, throw all my 100 percent beliefs in the trash unless they were concrete pillars bedded in Gods truths. The 144,000 Super Preachers came from men, not God. So, do I know more about end time Eschatology than anyone I have ever read, met, herd or talked unto? Yes, I can not fib and tell you different. So, I know what country the A.C. is born in (Dan. 8:9) I know where he arises to power (E.U. Dan . 7:7-8) I know he has to have Assyrian Blood (Isaiah 10) I know ALL THREE have to mesh and he's an old Turk/Iraqi, born in Greece which qualifies him to be the Anti-Christ. I know that the False Prophet has to be a Jewish High Priest, because I studied Dan. 11 & 12 via an Exegesis. I discovered a man named Jason (Its HARD WORK and I get REWARDED !! With knowledge, yea) who bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest, his real name was Yeshua, his brother was a pious high priest named Onis III hes the one spoken of in Dan. 11:22-23 who gets killed. So, Antiochus was the archetype A.C. and he has a Jewish SIDEKICK archetype False Prophet who welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus (which caused Hanukkah, the cleansing of the temple) Jason then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized. So, we know the End Time Anti-Christ will be a Greek born President of the E.U. and he will have a Jewish High Priest SIDEKICK whom he pressures from afar to stop Jesus Worship not take away some PROFANE MEAT SACRIFICE. How do I know? Because Israel repents BEFORE the DOTL arrives, as both Malachi 4:5 where Elijah is sent back before the DOTL and Zech. 13:8-9 WHICH says the 1/3 repent, and then in Zech. 14:1 the DOTL arriveS, in the very next verse. So, if Israel repents before God's Wrath falls (it does) then those Jews who repented are not sacrificing a MEAT SACRIICE, they are worshiping Jesus their Messiah. Of course when one doesn't grasp the obvious, that the 1335 comes 1335 days before the 2nd coming of Jesus and that it is the Two-witnesses, or doesn't understand the 1290 CAN NOT BE......the Anti-Christ, it can only be the False Prophet, the A.C. only Conquers Israel 30 days later at the 1260. So, when people refuse to heed these deep truths, of course they are not going to grasp other things which align themselves either. But I am correct on Eschstology, the scriptures bear this out. Everything I say about the 1335, 1290 and 1260 is confirmed, and gets dodged by others who can not even beh=gig to comprehend this. You see, only what I just stated above makes any sense at all as per unto the 1290 not being the A.C. because he would not allow the Jews to flee Judea if he had already conquered them AND............why would God give them a sign AFTER they had been conquered, BUT...........the 1290 being the False Prophet makes perfect sense, the Jews have 30 days to flee Judea........BUT............Like me for 30 years people 'just know the 1290 has to be the A.C." like most others think also, so they get tunnel vision which they can not get past. Also, is the 1335 the Two-witnesses, does it fit? Of course it does, I don't just tell, people something is of God without knowing, without testing the spirits man. BOTH the A.C. and Two-witnesses have 1260 day Ordained Offices by God, and the Two-witnesses DIE FIRST, I have told you this before, and or others also, of course its not what we learned as youths so it can not be correct right? But, it is correct, they die at the end of the 2nd Woe, the A.C. dies at the 7th Vial, the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL (1260) they are the 1335 Blessing. There is basically NO WAY of understanding all the end time Eschatological goings on until one grasps the 1335, 1290 and 1260 are in that order, the Two-witnesses, the False Prophet then LASTLY comes the Anti-Christ onto the scene as The Beast who Conquers Israel. Until anyone can fully grasp this they CAN NOT understand end time eschatology in full. PERIOD. But, people cling to things we all "KNEW" before God was ready to "REVEAL" His deep truths, and thus it blocks us from hearing those deep truths. How can God tell the Church who the 144,000 are when the Church insists its 144,000 Jewish Mega Preachers? I can see who they are because I understand the Seals are not real events, they are Jesus pointing unto Gods coming Wrath via the 7 Trumps. Then we can understand they are a code, just like the 10 Virgins, it amuses me people admit the 10 Virgins can stand for the COMPETE Church, but God can not then use 12 x 12 (Fulness x Fulness) x 10 x 10 x 10 (Completeness) and see that is God saying the 144,000 is ALL Israel (Fulness x Completeness) and they will never give in to the obvious. These are the Jews who repent and Flee Judea...........It FITS THE NARRATIVE..........the Seals are Jesus saying what is about to hit, when the 7th Seal (WHY is it over in Rev. 8 ? WHY) is finally taken off the Scroll. So, in Rev. 7 God is like HOLD UP the four winds (Judgments) and HURT NOT the Trees, Seas and Earth until these (Jews who repent) have been SEALED (Saved) and PROTECTED !! Well, what Hurts the Earth, Seas and Trees? The Rev. 8 Trumps.........Its obvious that the 144.000 are about 5 Million Jews who are fleeing Judea. How can you HOLD UP Gods Wrath in Rev. 7 if it begins in Rev. 6? Only if one can see ALL THIS........Does the Covenant in Dan. 9:27 become very, very clear as per unto what it is. The False Prophet is the right hand man FROM AFAR, of the E.U. President, BUT WHY? Makes no sense unless Israel joins the E.U. after the Gog and Magog scare, Satan is intelligent, he's going to feint one way, and the E.U. will help, but Satan know the word, He knows God is going to wipe out Russia Turkey and Iran's armies leaving a void in the region, so he's going to BUDDY UP to Israel to get her to join the E.U. and convince them to give up their Nukes. Read the European Neighborhood Policy(EPN), Israel and every nation in North Africa and Lebanon, Syria & Jordan have signed onto the ENP. When Israel joins the E.U. that sets off God's ANGER and the 70th week, the Time of the Gentiles [SERVICE to God] is come full, the Rapture happens at the same point in time. Which is you repeating my points towards anyone who is not Pre Trib. via Eschatology. This is not even hard tbh. I can poe holes in everything but pre 70th week easily. All this is true, anyone who can't get the pre 70th week rapture, I do not buy into much they say about Prophecy, its my creed. No, you are in error. NOTICE wat you always do, you DODGE every point I make because 1.) Yo don't read or 2.) You can not overcome my points. So, have you tried to debate any point I made? No, and its the same way every time. Any point you make I do not agree with I can show in scriptures why I disagree, you just dodge every time. Anyone who dodges admits defeat on a debate brother. Revelation is ENCODED with the Old Testament, Daniel is a set of riddles, not codes so much. But that leaves you not understanding Modern Armies can CROSS RIVERS. That leaves your opening questions still in the lurch when its pretty easy stuff to me. How is God going to get the cowards to come unto Jerusalem? STOP HIS PLAGUES. Whether you can grasp the obvious or not is on you. You asked the question, have no answer, I have had this answer for a while now. You think like men brother. A man thinking like men can not see the riddles of God via Eschatology, then again its been my calling for 4 years. It will all come unto you soon in heaven my friend.

Now is the time to realize that the Lord desires to empower us to move from our current ability to a new level of power strength, or a greater ability of potential in the Lord. This increase is not a one-time touch but a constant and ever-increasing flow of the spirit of might. It will empower us to press through any and all obstacles, limitations, and fears to advance with a perseverance of progressive breakthrough in order to progress to new levels in God's PURPOSE for our life. When we stay fresh in the strength of the Lord, we will increase in strength in the Spirit. In the Amplified Bible, Philippians 4:13 says, "I have strength for all things in Christ Who empowers me [I am ready for anything and equal to anything through Him Who infuses inner strength into me; I am self-sufficient in Christ sufficiency]. WE CONFESS THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN US We can draw on and see increase in His might in our lives on a daily basis. In this flow, we will be empowered by the Holy Spirit as He leads us into the action we need to be taking NOW. " that He may give to you, according to the riches of His glory, with might to be strengthened through His Spirit, in regard to the inner man," - Ephesians 3:16 We will be empowered by the Lord in supernatural strength in the inner person in order to believe the impossible is possible and to press through all obstacles. As we advance in this New Season in 2024, we are blazing new trails in His divine CALLING in Christ for our lives that will impact us, our families, and the people we are discipling into finding God's purpose for their lives. BELIEVING FOR BREAKTHROUGH AND THE POTENTIAL IT BRINGS We must stay fresh in His strength and not become weary, giving in to discouragement and disappointment – always moving forward in our Christ calling. We must stay fresh in Him and sensitive to the Spirit of the Lord as He leads us into new fruit bearing for His Kingdom. We have the potential to change the lives of many Believers as we disciple them into their Christ identity. This expectation is so important in the coming days. As we advance forward in the glory in this season, we stay fresh in His strength through our belief in Christ living through us. In His provision of the constant and ever-increasing flow of might, we can live in supernatural strength that will cause us to move forward in our vision and DESTINY and to go into new spheres and territories that He has made available to us. ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY

Great. So that means that the second time God gathers them is at this end time. The people who claimed God gathered Israel in 1948 were wrong. I would say their actions today prove that they have no connection to God in any direct or real way

The whole chronology of Genesis lists such very long lifespans, From Adam to Noah and beyond. It is a mischaracterization to say it was some exception and special miracle. Only long after Babel was that the case and normal. In Gen 5 for example the average life span is 912 years. Once again, the average life in Gen 5 was 912 years. Nowhere in Genesis was it 70 years. Your claims are disingenuous

These many years we tried there is not much result we should talk and give Bibles, let God guide and let them read or start from any verse or Chapter or Books. You know I am here among unbelievers so i have to think or do which seems better here. Here the believers do not have Bibles

Hi, @farouk! What a great topic: favorite Psalms. To choose a favorite one is impossible, but Psalm 84 has a special place in my heart. «How lovely is your dwelling place, O Lord of hosts! My soul longs, yes, faints for the courts of the Lord; my heart and flesh sing for joy to the living God. Even the sparrow finds a home, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, at Your altars, O Lord of hosts, my King and my God. Blessed are those who dwell in Your house, ever singing Your praise! Selah Blessed are those whose strength is in You, in whose heart are the highways to Zion. As they go through the Valley of Baca they make it a place of springs; the early rain also covers it with pools. They go from strength to strength; each one appears before God in Zion. O Lord God of hosts, hear my prayer; give ear, O God of Jacob! Selah Behold our shield, O God; look on the face of Your anointed! For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of wickedness. For the Lord God is a sun and shield; the Lord bestows favor and honor. No good thing does He withhold from those who walk uprightly. O Lord of hosts, blessed is the one who trusts in You!» (ESV)

Understanding the Partial Rapture Theory (rewritten by AI) Some believers hold the view that only faithful Christians will be taken in the rapture, while unfaithful Christians will remain on Earth to endure the tribulation. However, this concept lacks biblical support. Let’s explore this further: Universal Rapture: The passages describing the rapture (1 Corinthians 15:50-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) appear to apply universally to all Christians, regardless of their maturity or faithfulness. Verses like Romans 8:1 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9 affirm that God does not pour out His wrath on Christians. Therefore, there is no biblical evidence for a partial rapture. Every believer will be taken to heaven in the rapture. Parable of the Ten Virgins: Some proponents of the partial rapture theory point to Jesus’ parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1-13. However, this parable does not support partial rapture. The five virgins without oil in their lamps represent unbelievers, not believers left behind. The essential element in the parable is the oil, symbolizing the Holy Spirit. Those with the Holy Spirit in their hearts will be taken in the rapture because they are truly Christians. Those who profess faith but lack the Spirit will be left behind. Be Ready: The lesson from this parable is to be ready because Christ’s return will be sudden and unexpected. Only those with the oil (the Holy Spirit) in their hearts will be taken. The rest, regardless of their professions, will be left behind. Jesus knows His own, and when He calls us, we will respond. To others, He will say, “I never knew you” (Matthew 25:12). Today is the day of salvation; delay no longer. In summary, the partial rapture theory lacks biblical foundation, and the consistent teaching is that all true believers will be taken in the rapture. It’s essential to be spiritually prepared for Christ’s return, as it will happen suddenly and without warning

I didn't/couldn't quit!............... I was delivered. By God, totally! May sound petty, but to an addict, it's a miracle. Thanks farouk..

Rev man.... thanks for your response. Once again we are going to butt heads. Now, with all due respect..... I find myself in total disagreement with pretty much everything you have shared. As you have many, many times declared.... "I have been called to prophecy.... I now more than anyone else about Revelation, and prophecy"..... Please correct me if I am wrong..... and that you didn't say those things. Because you are pre-trib.... I have a really hard time believing anything you say/interpret about Revelation, Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Isaiah... Matthew, Thes 1&2, Corinthians, Luke.... etc. You say that you will be out of here BEFORE the 70th week of Daniel starts... before the Great Tribulation.... and then you go about trying to interpret the Book of Rev, the Book of Daniel....etc Why should anyone believe you? And please.... don't tell us that you are leaving information for those who are "left behind" Anything that doesn't line up with the pre-trib dogma falls into the category of... metaphor, analogy, its prose...it doesn't really mean that.... its anything but what is actually written. Its like you are saying that God the Holy Spirit has Alzheimer's or something..... like He can't say what He means. Euphrates River is a metaphor for "plagues"? ROFL.... you're killing me brother.

Hi @Coruscating FYI......... Psalm thread started.............