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    • “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
      ― George Orwell, Animal Farm   
    • Well then use the word KING....I Don't speak Greek. That might cut down the confusion. NO that's why you should place GREEK WORD or HEBREW WORD in front of them before posting them like I do, else I see it as jibberish.  Remember, you are the one with the beliefs out of line with Christendom, not me. If you don't understand that TRUE CHRISTIANS have the Holy Spirit that on you brother.  No the 8th Beast is a Demon Spirit. It tells you that if you read Rev. 9, rev. 11 and Rev. 17.  WRONG....The Fourth Beast and the LITTLE HORN are 2 Different BEASTS separated by 2000 years. And I EXPLAINED WHY ALL THE EARTH is a bogus theory. But you just DODGED MU ANSWER so I will repost it. So when it was used and Nebuchadnezzar was said to have CONQUERED THE WHOLE EARTH.........Did he? No he couldn't have. I have done an in depth word study on the words ARA and KOL..........Lets see if my understanding PREVAILS. Daniel 4:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you. { ITS NOT ALL THE EARTH........KOL was used here, it cant really mean ALL THE EARTH can it?  ARA was used for Earth and it means the WHOLE GROUND SPOKEN OF........1) earth, world, ground........So Kol is used here and it means ALL THE GROUND BEING SPOKEN ABOUT........Doesn't that FIT? It sure doesn't mean the WHOLE EARTH !!! Nebuchadnezzar was a mighty ruler, but he Never sailed to the Americas. YOU SEE WHY YOU HAVE TO USE CONTEXT? }  Daniel 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth: { AGAIN, this can not mean ALL THE EARTH........Even though KOL is used here. NOW CAN IT? } Dan. 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;  { SAME HERE........KOL.....Can't mean ALL THE EARTH because no one had discovered the Americas !!! } Daniel 6:25 Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you. {{ Again KOL is used and ARA for earth. it can't mean ALL THE EARTH CAN IT? ..............LOGIC........... }}  Now it becomes CLEAR why Rome did not have to DEVOUR the WHOLE EARTH and thus it Couldn't be Rome according to many,  all because they haven't put their homework in. So YES Rome could be the Fourth Beast because the WHOLE EARTH doesn't really mean the WHOLE EARTH does it?  It means ALL THE EARTH SPOKEN OF !! Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, (ROME) and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. { It is Rome, because it doesn't really mean the WHOLE EARTH !!! } Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. { Did Alexander the Great Conquer the WHOLE EARTH? NO Of course not. I told you it did not mean the WHOLE EARTH and I told you I had researched it in depth. Now I give you a demonstration. It takes a lot of homework, I don't just say things for no reason brother. }  So KOL and ARA together do not always mean the WHOLE EARTH, they really mean ALL THE EARTH BEING SPOKEN OF.   Sorry...its getting way too hard to search for your words interspersed with MY OWN WORDS, I have bad eyesight and its just too difficult. 
    • Shalom, Marilyn. I'm afraid I just blew apart n2thelight's record responding to him, but I couldn't help it. I was just waxing eloquently because I'm so passionate about the subject, but I really HATE the way that Evolutionary dogma has invaded our schools to the point that one cannot even be a teacher or professor in the U.S. without bowing to the Theory of Evolution! One cannot even earn a Ph.D. in biology or sociology without believing in Evolution! Anyway, regarding "angels": Did you know that John the Baptist was called an angel? First, remember that "angel" is a transliteration of the Greek word "aggelos." Whoever was responsible took the alpha and made it an English "a," the gamma-gamma consonant blend sounding like "ng" and made it an English "ng," the epsilon and made it an English "e," and the lambda and made it an English "l." The omicron-sigma (or stigma) was dropped since it was a Greek thing to identify a masculine noun. String them together and you get, "a-ng-e-l." However, the word "aggelos" means a "messenger." (I think you already know this, but one reading along may not.) Matthew 11:7-10
      7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
      8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
      9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
      10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger (Greek: aggelos) before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
      KJV This is also repeated in Mark 1:2 and Luke 7:27; however, Luke 7 also gives us this information: Luke 7:11-24
      11 And it came to pass the day after, that he went into a city called Nain; and many of his disciples went with him, and much people.
      12 Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow: and much people of the city was with her.
      13 And when the Lord saw her, he had compassion on her, and said unto her, Weep not.
      14 And he came and touched the bier: and they that bare him stood still. And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise.
      15 And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him to his mother.
      16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
      17 And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
      18 And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things.
      19 And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
      20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
      21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.
      22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
      23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
      24 And when the messengers (Greek: aggeloi, the plural of aggelos) of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
      ...
      KJV These two disciples of John the Baptist were human, as well. Later, in Luke 9, we read: Luke 9:51-52
      51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
      52 And sent messengers (Greek: aggeloi) before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
      KJV More men called "aggeloi." Paul said later in the book of Galatians, Galatians 4:13-14
      13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
      14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel (Greek: aggelos = messenger) of God, even as Christ Jesus.
      KJV They were not thinking of Paul as a "supernatural being"; they were thinking of him as "God's messenger!" When the author of Hebrews said,... Hebrews 13:2
      2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
      KJV ...he was NOT intending this to sound freaky! Y'know, like you suddenly hear the theme song for "The Twilight Zone" in the background? He simply meant that some have unwittingly entertained (God's) HUMAN messengers. During the day, I work in construction and have little time to think, let alone talk to others. When I do talk with others, they frequently count me as unimportant, just another peon. Little do they know that they are talking to a child of God who goes by the screen name of "Retrobyter!" See what I mean? Until one gets into a conversation with someone, they don't know with whom they are dealing! I'm out of time, but I'll write more later.
    • Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light." God is telling us here exactly what He did to the earth at one time. This was in the first earth age. The earth spoken of here, is the "erets" as given in the Hebrew text. In Strong's Hebrew dictionary # 776. God is saying that He was so angry before, in that first earth age, that He totally destroyed everything. In the Hebrew, from Genesis 1:2, "tohu va bohu" which means, "without form and void" "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." God said that He did not create the earth a waste land and void, it became that way when God shook it. Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly." Imagine all the hills and mountains around this earth moving in one massive earthquake. Jeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled." There was no man, because He destroyed every being on the face of the earth. God destroyed all the birds, and creatures along with man. This is not talking about the flood of Noah, for with the flood of Noah, not only was eight Adamic souls saved but two souls from each race, as well as two of all the animals. Even the Kenites, the sons of Cain came through the flood. Genesis 6:18 "But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shall come into the ark, thou and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee." Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." Genesis 6:20 "Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive." When we look at the plates of the land masses of the earth, it is obvious that there has been a shaking that took place. When Satan fell in that first earth age, there was a flood and destruction that left nothing alive to survive into this earth age. When Noah's flood came God was careful to preserve all flesh, and to take two of every kind aboard the ark. Not only are the animals and birds flesh, but all the races were flesh also, including the Kenites, those sons of Cain. Jeremiah 4:26 "I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger." God destroyed all their cities, as well as every man and beast of the field. Did you notice that there were ancient cities in that first earth age. The bible does not disagree that the overthrow took place, and that this earth is millions of years old. However most Bible teachers today say that this earth is only 6,000 years old. Remember what God called those people? Stupid! They can't read the manuscripts, and open their eyes to the evidence around them, and see the truths that God has spoken in His Word. They like to argue a point in stupidity, and desire to stay away from II Peter 3, where Peter makes it clear that there are three earth ages. They can only understand what sits right before their eyes, and taught in their traditions. Friend, there are many sites scattered all around the earth where there is physical evidence of creatures that existed that are just not in existence today. If the earth is only six thousand years old, why do we have the skeleton remains of so many creatures that roamed the earth far before flesh man was created? Have you never read the story of the "behemoth" in Job 40:15-19. It is the story of the dinosaurs that roamed the earth millions of years ago, that ate grass like the ox, and had the strength of a cedar tree in his tail. God made this earth to be inhabited, but Satan rebelled and God destroyed the planet. So many say, why can't we find flesh remains of those men and women that existed then? We are living in the flesh age of man that is common only to this earth age. At the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet, at the coming of the Lord, all flesh will be changed then also, as Paul states in I Corinthians 15:51,-52. "Behold I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed," [51] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." [52] This time is not very far off when all flesh bodies will take on the form of their incorruptible bodies, and the elect of God will also take on their immortality into that incorruptible at that time also. All souls will be in their spiritual bodies then. Jeremiah 4:27 "For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end." God is saying that in the end, He will still have a remnant that He will protect. The earth will be rejuvinated at His coming, and it will be a perfect place. When we move into that third Earth Age, that being the Millennium Age and after, there will be no Satan to disrrupt the earth. Science and our Father's Word go together beautifully. It is the minds of some people that like to distort and use personal assumptions that makes it confusing. The Christian world likes to make the Scriptures fit their traditions, while some evolutionists like to build assumptions into their theories that likewise are just as foolish, especially in the sight of what we see around us.
    • Who Dreamed the Dream ? Daniel a Jewish Prophet. Everything in the bible, especially around the Old Testament revolves around Israel, all the prophesies etc. etc. You saying they don't have anything to do with Israel is just mind boggling to me I'm sorry, I don't even get the disconnect. The Criteria is a fast fact. I don't even get anyone who doesn't understand the Bible is about Israel. The number one rile of all Prophecy is the bible is all about Israel. Paul's ministry was unto the Gentiles as per the Church. Everything else is about Israel 24/7/365 or 360 by their calendar. The Beasts angle is not in doubt. It just isn't.  It ended about that time, but a clan hung around and retook Israel for a couple of years and was finally defeated for good around 125 AD or so. Rome ruled Israel much longer than the 70 years they were in Babylon, so whats your point? 20 years, 70 years or 150 years its still a country  that's been conquered. Either a country has SELF RULE or they are Ruled by someone else, this is not really debatable, Rome was the Fourth Beast. All the Trivial trivialities is not worth the time that's being wasted on it, when you have to stretch credulity to try and prove a point maybe you should just give up on the point in which basically no one else in Christendom agrees with you, Rome IS the Fourth Beast, and its not going to change. No you haven't, because its clear to all that understand prophesy the 8th King is Apollyon, but he has no Earthly Kingdom, he is just over the Seven Kingdoms. The Seven Kings are the Seven Heads of the Beast, it literally astonishes me that people can't actually read the Angels own words in 17:7 where he tells us he is going to Explain the Mystery of the Woman (Harlot) and the Seven Headed Beast she rides on.........Then he explains from verse 8-18. And people don't get who the Seven Kings are, even though the Angel tells us they are the Seven Headed Beast. Who do people miss it?  I don't get it.  You need to go study it in depth, the ANGEL tells you they were Seven Kingdoms, because a Beast is a Kingdom see Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. So the 7 Headed Beast is Seven Kingdoms. Then the ANGEL says I will explain (TELL THEE THE MYSTERY) the Woman and the Beast.....Drop all your thoughts brother.....From verse 8 to 18 is ALL ABOUT the Angel explaining unto us who the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast she rides is. Let me break it down all the way, I do't like posting scriptures but.... Revelation 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore(WHY) didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. { Thus verses 8-18 is the Angel Explaining what? The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast. } 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. { This is about Apollyon, it tells you he has by this point, 90-95 AD been placed in the Bottomless pit. He will be released at the End Times Rev. 9 he is the King of the Bottomless pit. } 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. { The SEVEN HEADS of the Beast are Seven RULERS (OROS-One who arises) on who the Woman sits....AM I RIGHT? Are they Rulers or STUPID MOUNTAINS? Lets look at this carefully....WHATS THE NEXT VERSE SAY? And they are ALSO SEVEN KINGS.....That is the proper translation, they are ALSO SEVEN KINGS. So it says the SEVEN Heads are Seven Rulers who arose (MOUNTAINS) and they are also Seven Kings. So before the mention of MOUNTAINS we see that the Seven Headed Beast was spoke of and in the very next verse Seven Kings are spoken of. REMEMBER The Angel is Explaining to us who the Seven Headed Beast is. He needs to tell us the Last Beast is a MAN so he reduces the Seven Headed Beast KINGDOMS (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece to FIVE KINGS who had Fallen) then the Angel states that ONE IS and we know that was ROME, and one is YET TO COME (Anti-Christ). } The Angel just explained what the Seven Headed Beast was, that was HIS MISSION (See verse 7).  10 And there are(And they are ALSO) seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. { When the Anti-Christ comes he serves but a short time, we know the Anti-Christ will rule a while, then when he Conquers Israel he becomes a BEAST for 42 Months. } 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. { This is Apollyon, he is like the Demonic General set over all of these Nations that tried to destroy Israel, thus his name is the "DESTROYER" and he is now locked on the pit because Israel was not a Nation for 2000 years and he will be released soon. Rev. 9 Thus he WAS is not but YET IS, because he will be released and try to Destroy Israel once again, one final time. } 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. { The 10 Horns are the 10 European Kings that also arise out of the Fourth Beast, they rule ONE HOUR with the Beast, not 2000 years like the Anti-Catholic guys love to say. } 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.  14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. { So these Kings are in League with Anti-Christ, and thus they will DIE WITH HIM...Amen. } 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. { Now the ANGEL CHANGES COURSE, he now explains the Woman (Harlot).....The Waters she sat on in verse ONE (1) was Peoples/Multitudes/Nations and Tongues, she is WORLD WIDE !! She is All False Religion. } 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. { So the TEN KINGS in league with the Beast HATE THE HARLOT.....but why? Because of course the Anti-Christ wants to be Worshiped as GOD !! He has no place for other Religions. He will destroy the all, the evidence is in Rev. 12:17, he chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness and he murders the Christian Remnant (Church has been Raptured) so the Anti-Christ is going to Destroy ALL RELIGIONS.........After all verse in verse 1 the Angel tells John to come see the JUDGMENT of the HARLOT. } 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. { The Harlot is Judged, but that happens during the Tribulation, OF COURSE, so John is reminded in verse 18 BELOW, of What he saw. Which was Babylon imprinted/tattooed on her head. } 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. { The Woman had Babylon imprinted on her forehead, the Angel wanted John to remember that, she is a Harlot and she was CO-MINGLED with the Kings of the Earth (Babylon) and thus that is what the Angel wanted John to REMEMBER.........The Harlot (False Religion) has been interspersed with these FALSE GOVERNMENTS (Babylon) since the very beginning. } It was all explained to us, and it was about the Seven Headed Beast and the Woman (Harlot) that rode his back.   
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