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@Donibm. Was it not just for the sin of Achan that God punished all the Israelites? Achan was the only offender but others also suffered. The famine that affected the Northern kingdom of Israel during the reign of Ahab (Ahav) and Jezebel (Izevel), didn't it also affect those who were just and worthy in Israel? Even Elijah (Eliyah) the Prophet had to flee and be fed by ravens that were sent by Yahweh and he even had to be sustained by eating a meal with the widow of Zarepath.
The Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is compared with the unexpected house break-in of the thief at night. Those who teach the Secret Rapture say the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a thief in the night to snatch away true believers while others are asleep.Matthew 24:42-43 Our Lord said, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken in.”These verses say nothing about the secret rapture, but only indicate Jesus will return like the thief who would come at an unknown and unexpected time. The warning is for Christians to be ready at all times.1 Thessalonians 5:2 The apostle Paul wrote: “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” This verse does not mean that believers would be raptured because if you read two verses below Paul gave the explanation. “But you, brethren, are not in darkness so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.” (1 Thes. 5:4) It says nothing about a secret rapture. Again, the message here is NOT that Jesus' coming will be secret, but that it will occur at a time when most will not expect it, therefore we must WATCH!2 Peter 3:10 Here is a scriptural verse that completely destroys the secret rapture theory. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.” How can there be a secret rapture when “the heavens will pass away with a great noise”? -
The Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is compared with the unexpected house break-in of the thief at night. Those who teach the Secret Rapture say the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a thief in the night to snatch away true believers while others are asleep.Matthew 24:42-43 Our Lord said, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken in.”These verses say nothing about the secret rapture, but only indicate Jesus will return like the thief who would come at an unknown and unexpected time. The warning is for Christians to be ready at all times.1 Thessalonians 5:2 The apostle Paul wrote: “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” This verse does not mean that believers would be raptured because if you read two verses below Paul gave the explanation. “But you, brethren, are not in darkness so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.” (1 Thes. 5:4) It says nothing about a secret rapture. Again, the message here is NOT that Jesus' coming will be secret, but that it will occur at a time when most will not expect it, therefore we must WATCH!2 Peter 3:10 Here is a scriptural verse that completely destroys the secret rapture theory. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.” How can there be a secret rapture when “the heavens will pass away with a great noise”?
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The Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is compared with the unexpected house break-in of the thief at night. Those who teach the Secret Rapture say the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a thief in the night to snatch away true believers while others are asleep.Matthew 24:42-43 Our Lord said, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken in.”These verses say nothing about the secret rapture, but only indicate Jesus will return like the thief who would come at an unknown and unexpected time. The warning is for Christians to be ready at all times.1 Thessalonians 5:2 The apostle Paul wrote: “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” This verse does not mean that believers would be raptured because if you read two verses below Paul gave the explanation. “But you, brethren, are not in darkness so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.” (1 Thes. 5:4) It says nothing about a secret rapture. Again, the message here is NOT that Jesus' coming will be secret, but that it will occur at a time when most will not expect it, therefore we must WATCH!2 Peter 3:10 Here is a scriptural verse that completely destroys the secret rapture theory. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.” How can there be a secret rapture when “the heavens will pass away with a great noise”?
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Does America have a role in the last days ?
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Revelation 13:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Who is this beast ?
What does coming from the earth means ?
What is the two horns like a lamb symbolize ?
Why does the beast speak as a dragon and what is and how does it function ?
Jesus the Lamb of God is our high priest in heaven. The false prophet, looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon, could be that the he will be the high priest in the renewed temple priest system, like Caiaphas was back in Jesus's day. I think Caiaphas was Roman appointed. Which Caiaphas was behind the plot to kill Jesus. Which Caiaphas was acting under Satan's influence.
The false prophet could therefore perhaps the high priest when the temple ordinances and sacrifices are restored, then stopped when the Antichrist makes his claim to being God in the flesh. We are aren't told much about the high priest to be real definitive at this time.
The beast and the false prophet are different entities
The second beast is the false prophet. Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Revelation 16:
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [satan], and out of the mouth of the beast [first beast], and out of the mouth of the false prophet.[second beast]
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Is the anti christ and the false prophet the same ?
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Revelation 13:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Who is this beast ?
What does coming from the earth means ?
What is the two horns like a lamb symbolize ?
Why does the beast speak as a dragon and what is and how does it function ?
Jesus the Lamb of God is our high priest in heaven. The false prophet, looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon, could be that the he will be the high priest in the renewed temple priest system, like Caiaphas was back in Jesus's day. I think Caiaphas was Roman appointed. Which Caiaphas was behind the plot to kill Jesus. Which Caiaphas was acting under Satan's influence.
The false prophet could therefore perhaps the high priest when the temple ordinances and sacrifices are restored, then stopped when the Antichrist makes his claim to being God in the flesh. We are aren't told much about the high priest to be real definitive at this time.
The beast and the false prophet are different entities
The second beast is the false prophet. Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Revelation 16:
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [satan], and out of the mouth of the beast [first beast], and out of the mouth of the false prophet.[second beast]
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
The beast in revelation 13 that spake as a dragon is different from the beast in revelation 16
Where does it say that the false prophet came from the earth ?
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This lamb like beast arises "out of the earth" instead of out of the water as did the other nations mentioned in Daniel and Revelation. We know from Revelation that water symbolizes areas of the world that have a large population. "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Thus the lamb like beast did not come from the sea but from somewhere else
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How I see at this time.
Who is this beast ?
I think its part of the revive kingdom of RCC of the Dark Ages
Because its still part of the Iron Kingdom.
What does coming from the earth means ?
I think Kingdoms has came out of the troubled sea of humanity and set their kingdom on their own foundation.
This Earth Beast came from something that is already established.
What is the two horns like a lamb symbolize ?
Horns usually represent powers - I think this could be two powerful religious groups.
Why does the beast speak as a dragon and what is and how does it function ?
Because its a bunch of lies with power behind it, to deceive.
Two world beast are symbolized in Revelation chapter 13. What is the first and second they are not the same ?
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The first resurrection is those who believed in Jesus and were caught up in the rapture along with those believers who are yet alive at the time. The Tribulation saints who are beheaded for their faith are those under the altar in heaven and cry out to the Father, "How long will You let our blood go before You avenge it?" The second resurrection is that of all the people who died from the beginning of time but were not believers and those who died during the Tribulation period. Then and only then will they be judged and sent to outer darkness or life eternal.
Will Adam and David be in the first reurrection ?
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“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Mt. 24:29-31)Here is a clear statement from our Lord Jesus Christ who said that He will be coming “immediately after the tribulation” and not before, so how can Christians be with Him in Heaven during the Great Tribulation?
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Revelation 13:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Who is this beast ?
What does coming from the earth means ?
What is the two horns like a lamb symbolize ?
Why does the beast speak as a dragon and what is and how does it function ?
Jesus the Lamb of God is our high priest in heaven. The false prophet, looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon, could be that the he will be the high priest in the renewed temple priest system, like Caiaphas was back in Jesus's day. I think Caiaphas was Roman appointed. Which Caiaphas was behind the plot to kill Jesus. Which Caiaphas was acting under Satan's influence.
The false prophet could therefore perhaps the high priest when the temple ordinances and sacrifices are restored, then stopped when the Antichrist makes his claim to being God in the flesh. We are aren't told much about the high priest to be real definitive at this time.
The beast and the false prophet are different entities
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So the blood has already been shed by Christ, which is now past tense. No future blood needs to be shed for Repentance. No one needs to go through anything. It was all completed at the Cross. Tribulation for the Saints/Church has been going on for the past 2000 years. Tribulation on the unjust will happen during this 70th Week.
In Christ
Montana Marv
No so fast brother,
Not until after the last martyr has been killed, which will mark the end of the first resurrection or the resurrection of the just (righteous).
Revelation 6: 9-11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: (10) And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? (11) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Cheers
Thanks for giving actual verses. Furthermore the bible says the beast conquers the saints for 42 months (3.5 years):
Rev 13: The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
Also Satan, the dragon tries to destroy the woman who is protected for 1260 days (3.5 years). Instead Satan wars against Christians:
Rev 12: Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Also the little horn (the antichrist) oppresses the holy people for a time, times and half a time (3.5 years):
Daniel 7: He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
Also the power of the holy people is broken for 3.5 years until the resurrection:
Daniel 12: “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
Hmmm, this seems to be a powerful biblical theme, confirmed again and again and again. Of course bible prophecy is subjective, but to me its the most obvious prophecy in the bible, that Christians will undergo 3.5 years of intense persecution for the last 3.5 years. Its known as the great tribulation.
Very true, brother!
Remember also, that the remnant (one-third) of the Jews will escape by fleeing to the mountains.
Matthew 24:15-21
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Then sometime after the remnant escapes to the mountains, those days of tribulation will be shortened for the sake of the elect (chosen), which are the remnant of believers or those who are ready when the Son of man appears. This must happen to fulfill (1 Thes. 4:17), otherwise no flesh would be saved, and the beast would overcome the entire body of Christ (all those that will return to reign with Christ at the second coming).
Matthew 24:22
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, the shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Where the eagles gather around the dead bodies (Jerusalem) shows where the Lord will descend to in the clouds, like the lightning flashing from east to west, to meet His faithful servants in the air, those who are ready.
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Many believe the passage above is the second coming, but it is actually the rapture, for judgment begins with the house of the Lord (1 Pet. 4:17). The second coming to the earth won't happen until Christ returns to judge the nations (Matt. 25:31), separating the sheep and goats. The goats will be cast into the fire and the sheep will enter into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies and be ruled over by Christ and His returning saints, which includes the saints taken who are ready, and the saints who are not ready and left to be martyred (overcome by the beast) . The goats are destroyed (wrath) right after the Lord rewards with His saints and faithful servants as seen in the passage below.
Revelation 11:18
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.
Lets continue, shall we:
Matthew 24:36-51
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and
ould not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Of course this is not going to be popular, especially with the pre-trib fans out there. Nevertheless, this is my theory in a nutshell and I'm stickin' to it.
Cheers
Please provide scripture and explaination that the goats are cast into the fire immediately at Jesus second coming
What is the purpose of the second resurrection and and who resurrected in this resurrection ?
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The completion of the First Resurrection is not until after the Mill, when those born during this time have the last chance to follow Satan in the final battle or to follow Christ. Then those who followed Christ will receive their incorruptible bodies.
The Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements are for the unjust. Yes those martyred during the first 3 1/2 years will receive their new bodies. Yet they are not the Bride. Those under the Altar are only those beheaded for Christ. Where are the rest who were not beheaded? Why are only this very select group here under the Altar? Maybe it is to give Mormons, JW's and a few other cults a last chance to stand for the real Jesus Christ. Why do those under the Altar ask for vengeance for their blood? Jesus Christ covered all ours at the Cross. We are to ask for forgiveness, not vengeance. Forgive 70 times 7. It does not matter what for.
If a Christians wife was murdered, He should say, hang'em. He is a no good scoundrel, let him die. If someone steals one of your prize possessions, put'em in jail. If a Christians house burns down, what is their response. Anger or whatever to God; God owns it all, we are just stewards of what God allows us to have. Look into the life of Job. Circumstances are circumstances.
Those under the Altar are not the Bride, for we see only one thing out of their mouths; avenge our blood.
In Christ
Montana Marv
please shew from the bible that people have a second chance eg Jw Mormons etc
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Revelation 13:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Who is this beast ?
What does coming from the earth means ?
What is the two horns like a lamb symbolize ?
Why does the beast speak as a dragon and what is and how does it function ?
1.the United states
2. out of waters means out of people Rev. 17:15 so it could mean that that this kingdom/govt came out of somewhere that wasn't populated....america...(of course we know there were native americans but that wasn't everyday knowledge back then)
3. two horns like a lamb symbolizes this beast appears to be a christian nation/kingdom/govt.
4. the beast speaks like a dragon in order to persecute the saints. in that past it was done through laws made during the dark ages to punish those who were in opposition to the Catholic church at the time.
America came fom out of the sea or the earth ?
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there is no time in heaven so the question really doesn't have a valid answer.
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I don't think God's 7 plaques will hurt any of his saints.
Like with the children of Israel when they were in Egypt they were not hurt of the plaques.
It just for who he wants it to hit.
Don't count on it.Don't mock God.
What was the purpose of the blood in Egypt and what does it foreshadow
That is biblical history.We can look back on those events to confirm our faith and fear of our God but....it has nothing to do with the future tribulation.
Why are some of the plagues from egypt repeated in thee seven last plagues ?
I am sure you know but since this is a tribulation Saints thread it doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with the subject.I am not into your theology.
I know you believe in that rapture now that is a theory but you will not answer the questions because it shews that the raptuer is fraud and the saints will go through the tribulation
When I see the blood i will pass over you saith the Lord
Job 5:20-24King James Version (KJV)
20 In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword.
21 Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh.
22 At destruction and famine thou shalt laugh: neither shalt thou be afraid of the beasts of the earth.
23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.
24 And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin.
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I don't think God's 7 plaques will hurt any of his saints.
Like with the children of Israel when they were in Egypt they were not hurt of the plaques.
It just for who he wants it to hit.
Don't count on it.Don't mock God.
What was the purpose of the blood in Egypt and what does it foreshadow
That is biblical history.We can look back on those events to confirm our faith and fear of our God but....it has nothing to do with the future tribulation.
Why are some of the plagues from egypt repeated in thee seven last plagues ?
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I don't think God's 7 plaques will hurt any of his saints.
Like with the children of Israel when they were in Egypt they were not hurt of the plaques.
It just for who he wants it to hit.
Don't count on it.Don't mock God.
What was the purpose of the blood in Egypt and what does it foreshadow
That is biblical history.We can look back on those events to confirm our faith and fear of our God but....it has nothing to do with the future tribulation.
thats where you are wrong God slayed a lamb in the garden that pointed to Jesus
God told the israelites to put blood on the door post and when He sees the blood He will pass over them so we who are covered in Jesus blood when God sees the blood He will pass over us in this dispensation
Al Gods people were on the earth during the tribulation in their time
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I am not talking about the beast that is the Roman catholic church but the beast that made people worship the roman catholic teachings
Does anyone know who it is
thanks
i think everyone is mixing the lamb like beast with the beast that came from the sea
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I don't think God's 7 plaques will hurt any of his saints.
Like with the children of Israel when they were in Egypt they were not hurt of the plaques.
It just for who he wants it to hit.
Don't count on it.Don't mock God.
What was the purpose of the blood in Egypt and what does it foreshadow
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I have tried so many times to tell people that God will protect His saints during the tribulation as in the time of Egypt
Exodus 8:20-24King James Version (KJV)
20 And the Lord said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand beforePharaoh; lo, he cometh forth to the water; and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
21 Else, if thou wilt not let my people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses: and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the groundwhereon they are.
22 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the Lordin the midst of the earth.
23 And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
24 And the Lord did so; and there came a grievous swarm of flies into the house of Pharaoh, and into his servants' houses, and into all the land of Egypt: the land wascorrupted by reason of the swarm of flies.
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Revelation 13:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Who is this beast ?
What does coming from the earth means ?
What is the two horns like a lamb symbolize ?
Why does the beast speak as a dragon and what is and how does it function ?
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So will all believers be raptured, or will some remain to preach the gospel to them?
All believers will be raptured. The 144,000 (these are Jews) they will be saved and they will be preaching the gospel and in turn because of them millions will be saved.The Holy Spirit will remain and others as I said will be saved. But the church those of us who are believers will be taken out.
please provide a verse that says the church will not go through the tribulation thank you
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I have a question here, if the tribulation saints can't buy or sell without the mark of the beast, how would they eat food or have the essentials to survive it?
Why did God feed Elijah with ravens ?
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Did Noah go to heaven to escape the flood ?