robin hood

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . So I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you You call yourself a christian? If you could just say yes or no that would make it very clear for me. A few posts back , about a couple of hours ago , I answered "Yes" to your question . That doesn't mean that I am going to go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" . St Paul wrote : " But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit." So I have been baptized , but I am not going to go around referring to myself as " A Baptized Christian" . If you look through the thread you will see some of the reasons given for the use of the term "Born Again Christian" . I will leave you to make your own judgement on the reasons given why some Christians have latched on to this phrase from a few verses in John's Gospel to describe their Christian identity . I'm just confused - why the redundancy in the expression born again christian is of such great concern for you? The unbiblical term "Born Again Christian" in the way it is used leads to a truncated , incomplete and thus erroneous theology . There are millions who have recited a formula .....and WOW !.....they straightaway become "Born Again Christians" .....it aint so simple . It's a bit like what people do to become a Muslim .....simply saying " Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu."......and hocus pocus .....they are suddenly Muslims . It's been said on this thread , and I quote , " The point of the term 'born again Christian' was to make a distinction between genuine Christians and nominal Christians." ......now that is playing God......a thing to be avoided at all costs . So you are against the way the term is being used by some. And I agree with you on that. And since no one can even see another's heart, no one can judge another's heart. There will be many in that day who will have done great things for God, and certainly would not have been termed nominal christians, to whom Jesus will say, "Depart from me, I never knew you." You can see what I am trying to say . You are spot on in what you say . The term "Born Again Christian" was invented in the 1960s , and as some have said on this thread , it was invented with the purpose of judging other peoples' hearts .....by defining one's identity as a Christian by the words "Born Again" .....and all other Christians were not in reality Christians . But perhaps more importantly , some have taken those words "Born Again" and created their whole theology around those two words . They are creating doctrine which is an abridged version of the Gospel . I don't want a downsized , curtailed version . I want the truth in all its fulness . So , even though I have been born again by water and the Spirit , that does not define the fulness of my Christian identity . There is loads more to define who I am as a Christian .....loads more than is encompassed in those two words "born again" , and I would be doing no service to the fulness of truth if I were to restrict myself to a deficient definition of my Christian identity . I am pleased , as I read through this thread , that an increasing number are becoming aware of just how divisive and insubstantial is the whole concept of the "Born Again Christian" idiom . Always very revealing to note ----who is in agreement and "who is identifying with whom". It's quite easy really......just follow the thread......read what people actually say......then we arrive at revelation . He's basically accusing you and I of error. So that's what he means.....that's no problem......it's a common occurrence .

Robin hood It takes courage to stand up and speak about something that goes against the flow. I don't like divisions, but at the same time I don't get offended. We can have our say and people will accept or reject, but when the argument turns into a 10 page debate, you can tell it's going no-where and only causes more divisions. The devil just has a field day, ...he loves this sort of stuff, especially when the insults come in and brotherly love goes out the door. We are all under mercy and no matter how much we commend ourselves, the real judge sits at the door and can see right into our hearts whether we be walking in truth or not. Thanks , Sister , for your wise words and understanding .

Don't you think it's just as dangerous to assume that every single person who uses the term "born again Christian" falls into this category? . I am certain that many , maybe most , of the Christians who use the term do so without the negative connotations I have referred to . My main criticisms are directed at those who use it to be divisive and judgemental , and those who use it as a basis for their whole theology , thus neglecting the fulness of Christian truth . I have enjoyed reading Billy Grahams "How to be Born Again"......a sound , positive book which has an in-depth , comprehensive approach to the issue ......well worth a read .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . So I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you You call yourself a christian? If you could just say yes or no that would make it very clear for me. A few posts back , about a couple of hours ago , I answered "Yes" to your question . That doesn't mean that I am going to go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" . St Paul wrote : " But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit." So I have been baptized , but I am not going to go around referring to myself as " A Baptized Christian" . If you look through the thread you will see some of the reasons given for the use of the term "Born Again Christian" . I will leave you to make your own judgement on the reasons given why some Christians have latched on to this phrase from a few verses in John's Gospel to describe their Christian identity . I'm just confused - why the redundancy in the expression born again christian is of such great concern for you? The unbiblical term "Born Again Christian" in the way it is used leads to a truncated , incomplete and thus erroneous theology . There are millions who have recited a formula .....and WOW !.....they straightaway become "Born Again Christians" .....it aint so simple . It's a bit like what people do to become a Muslim .....simply saying " Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu."......and hocus pocus .....they are suddenly Muslims . It's been said on this thread , and I quote , " The point of the term 'born again Christian' was to make a distinction between genuine Christians and nominal Christians." ......now that is playing God......a thing to be avoided at all costs . So you are against the way the term is being used by some. And I agree with you on that. And since no one can even see another's heart, no one can judge another's heart. There will be many in that day who will have done great things for God, and certainly would not have been termed nominal christians, to whom Jesus will say, "Depart from me, I never knew you." You can see what I am trying to say . You are spot on in what you say . The term "Born Again Christian" was invented in the 1960s , and as some have said on this thread , it was invented with the purpose of judging other peoples' hearts .....by defining one's identity as a Christian by the words "Born Again" .....and all other Christians were not in reality Christians . But perhaps more importantly , some have taken those words "Born Again" and created their whole theology around those two words . They are creating doctrine which is an abridged version of the Gospel . I don't want a downsized , curtailed version . I want the truth in all its fulness . So , even though I have been born again by water and the Spirit , that does not define the fulness of my Christian identity . There is loads more to define who I am as a Christian .....loads more than is encompassed in those two words "born again" , and I would be doing no service to the fulness of truth if I were to restrict myself to a deficient definition of my Christian identity . I am pleased , as I read through this thread , that an increasing number are becoming aware of just how divisive and insubstantial is the whole concept of the "Born Again Christian" idiom . Always very revealing to note ----who is in agreement and "who is identifying with whom". It's quite easy really......just follow the thread......read what people actually say......then we arrive at revelation .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . So I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you You call yourself a christian? If you could just say yes or no that would make it very clear for me. A few posts back , about a couple of hours ago , I answered "Yes" to your question . That doesn't mean that I am going to go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" . St Paul wrote : " But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit." So I have been baptized , but I am not going to go around referring to myself as " A Baptized Christian" . If you look through the thread you will see some of the reasons given for the use of the term "Born Again Christian" . I will leave you to make your own judgement on the reasons given why some Christians have latched on to this phrase from a few verses in John's Gospel to describe their Christian identity . I'm just confused - why the redundancy in the expression born again christian is of such great concern for you? The unbiblical term "Born Again Christian" in the way it is used leads to a truncated , incomplete and thus erroneous theology . There are millions who have recited a formula .....and WOW !.....they straightaway become "Born Again Christians" .....it aint so simple . It's a bit like what people do to become a Muslim .....simply saying " Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu."......and hocus pocus .....they are suddenly Muslims . It's been said on this thread , and I quote , " The point of the term 'born again Christian' was to make a distinction between genuine Christians and nominal Christians." ......now that is playing God......a thing to be avoided at all costs . So you are against the way the term is being used by some. And I agree with you on that. And since no one can even see another's heart, no one can judge another's heart. There will be many in that day who will have done great things for God, and certainly would not have been termed nominal christians, to whom Jesus will say, "Depart from me, I never knew you." You can see what I am trying to say . You are spot on in what you say . The term "Born Again Christian" was invented in the 1960s , and as some have said on this thread , it was invented with the purpose of judging other peoples' hearts .....by defining one's identity as a Christian by the words "Born Again" .....and all other Christians were not in reality Christians . But perhaps more importantly , some have taken those words "Born Again" and created their whole theology around those two words . They are creating doctrine which is an abridged version of the Gospel . I don't want a downsized , curtailed version . I want the truth in all its fulness . So , even though I have been born again by water and the Spirit , that does not define the fulness of my Christian identity . There is loads more to define who I am as a Christian .....loads more than is encompassed in those two words "born again" , and I would be doing no service to the fulness of truth if I were to restrict myself to a deficient definition of my Christian identity . I am pleased , as I read through this thread , that an increasing number are becoming aware of just how divisive and insubstantial is the whole concept of the "Born Again Christian" idiom .

Thanks , Sister , for indicating how the term "Born Again Christian" is divisive......divisive in a wrong sort of way .

Thanks sister for showing how the term "Born Again Christian" is divisive.......divisive in a wrong way . Robin hood what do you become when you are born again? Do you become a christian? When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . So I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you You call yourself a christian? If you could just say yes or no that would make it very clear for me. A few posts back , about a couple of hours ago , I answered "Yes" to your question . That doesn't mean that I am going to go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" . St Paul wrote : " But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit." So I have been baptized , but I am not going to go around referring to myself as " A Baptized Christian" . If you look through the thread you will see some of the reasons given for the use of the term "Born Again Christian" . I will leave you to make your own judgement on the reasons given why some Christians have latched on to this phrase from a few verses in John's Gospel to describe their Christian identity . I'm just confused - why the redundancy in the expression born again christian is of such great concern for you? Sorry , I have edited this because it came out as a dp .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . So I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you You call yourself a christian? If you could just say yes or no that would make it very clear for me. A few posts back , about a couple of hours ago , I answered "Yes" to your question . That doesn't mean that I am going to go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" . St Paul wrote : " But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit." So I have been baptized , but I am not going to go around referring to myself as " A Baptized Christian" . If you look through the thread you will see some of the reasons given for the use of the term "Born Again Christian" . I will leave you to make your own judgement on the reasons given why some Christians have latched on to this phrase from a few verses in John's Gospel to describe their Christian identity . I'm just confused - why the redundancy in the expression born again christian is of such great concern for you? The unbiblical term "Born Again Christian" in the way it is used leads to a truncated , incomplete and thus erroneous theology . There are millions who have recited a formula .....and WOW !.....they straightaway become "Born Again Christians" .....it aint so simple . It's a bit like what people do to become a Muslim .....simply saying " Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu."......and hocus pocus .....they are suddenly Muslims . It's been said on this thread , and I quote , " The point of the term 'born again Christian' was to make a distinction between genuine Christians and nominal Christians." ......now that is playing God......a thing to be avoided at all costs .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . So I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you You call yourself a christian? If you could just say yes or no that would make it very clear for me. A few posts back , about a couple of hours ago , I answered "Yes" to your question . That doesn't mean that I am going to go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" . St Paul wrote : " But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit." So I have been baptized , but I am not going to go around referring to myself as " A Baptized Christian" . If you look through the thread you will see some of the reasons given for the use of the term "Born Again Christian" . I will leave you to make your own judgement on the reasons given why some Christians have latched on to this phrase from a few verses in John's Gospel to describe their Christian identity .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian . And yet, you are a crucified Christian. Born again, simply means "born from above." Jesus used that term and to call one's self a "born again Christian" means that they are a Christian who at some point in their past was born again. You really don't have anything to stand on. Jesus said : "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. " I don't go around saying I am a cross bearing Christian , just as I don't go around saying I am a "Born Again Christian" .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things . Do you not call yourself a christian? Yes.....amongst other things . As St Paul wrote , " I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. " But I don't go around saying that I am a crucified Christian .

When I was born again by water and the Spirit I became a son by adoption of the Father , was incorporated in the the Body of Christ , his Church , and became a temple of the Holy Spirit.......and lots of other glorious things .

Yes it was. Try reading John 3:3-7. I have read it . It says nothing about Born Again Christians . Read it again and you will see what it actually says . That's what a Christian is. "Born again" describes a person who is born of God, spiritually. Christians are people who are born again. You are trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist. The only thing that has been manufactured by humans on this thread is the term "Born Again Christian" . Can anyone find me the term "Born Again Christian" prior to the 1960s......a decade when some took the notion of manufacturing some sloppy , lazy theology.....not a good thing to do.....leads to error.....a thing to be avoided like the plague . Robin, Jesus used the words "born again" 2000 years ago: John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. I am with you all the way in what you say above . To become a Christian entails being born again/from above by water and the Spirit . Throughout this thread I have never denied that . What I condemn as unbiblical is the term "Born Again Christian" . If you read through this thread you will see some explaining what they mean by "Born Again Christian" , and their words express a theology which is erroneous . Another example......some Christians say that if you don't have the gift of tongues then you don't have the Holy Spirit , and so you aren't a Christian . A totally false notion . I have been graced with the gift of tongues , but in no way do I consider this gift as an indication that because of that gift I now possess the Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit has dwelt in me since I was born again of water and the Spirit .....many years before I received the gift of tongues . In a similar way there are "Born Again Christians" who confront other Christians , asking them if they are born again . These "Born Again Christians" say that , if you haven't had some sort of "experience" which they have had , then you are not a Christian .....a totally false notion......having an "experience" which in no way equates with the words Jesus spoke to Nicodemus . To put it plainly.....a Christian does not have to be born again . There is no second , third , or fourth "being born again" . It is a non-Christian who is called upon to be born again . Once a non-Christian is born again of water and the Spirit he is incorporated into the life of the Trinity , and as a Christian he would be insulting God and what God has done for him if he were to seek a further "being born again" . The tautology "Born Again Christian" needs to be seen for what it is in the real world . It is an unbiblical term used to set one group of Christians against another group , with the implication that the other group are not really Christians . That is evil and needs to be rejected wholeheartedly . The unbiblical term "Born Again Christian" leads some to erect their theology upon that one term , leading to truncated , incomplete and inevitably false doctrines . I

It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Lol!! Going to change my signature to Born Again Christian and blessed! Maybe ....

It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Lol!! Going to change my signature to Born Again Christian and blessed! Perhaps I am......perhaps you are judging me.....not in the same league though as those who say that those who don't go around wearing an unbiblical "Born Again Christian" label are not genuine Christians . Oh dear.....I wondered how long it would be before this lot cropped up........chickens coming home to roost ......and all that stuff .....and how sad it sounds. So some guys or gals in the 1960s came up with this new term "Born Again Christian" just to show who the true Christians really are .....Wow ! ......what a sad , judgemental bunch they must have been . And there's poor me .....thinking all along that it was by their fruits that they would be known......while all along , at least according to you , it's by the label "Born Again Christian" that they would be known ......but somehow it just doesn't ring true . I'll just stick with the Bible on this one . It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Lol!! Going to change my signature to Born Again Christian and blessed! Oh dear.....I wondered how long it would be before this lot cropped up........chickens coming home to roost ......and all that stuff .....and how sad it sounds. So some guys or gals in the 1960s came up with this new term "Born Again Christian" just to show who the true Christians really are .....Wow ! ......what a sad , judgemental bunch they must have been . And there's poor me .....thinking all along that it was by their fruits that they would be known......while all along , at least according to you , it's by the label "Born Again Christian" that they would be known ......but somehow it just doesn't ring true . I'll just stick with the Bible on this one . It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Lol!! Going to change my signature to Born Again Christian and blessed! Perhaps I am .....perhaps you are judging me.....not in the same league though as those who say that if you don't go around wearing Oh dear.....I wondered how long it would be before this lot cropped up........chickens coming home to roost ......and all that stuff .....and how sad it sounds. So some guys or gals in the 1960s came up with this new term "Born Again Christian" just to show who the true Christians really are .....Wow ! ......what a sad , judgemental bunch they must have been . And there's poor me .....thinking all along that it was by their fruits that they would be known......while all along , at least according to you , it's by the label "Born Again Christian" that they would be known ......but somehow it just doesn't ring true . I'll just stick with the Bible on this one . It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Lol!! Going to change my signature to Born Again Christian and blessed! Oh dear.....I wondered how long it would be before this lot cropped up........chickens coming home to roost ......and all that stuff .....and how sad it sounds. So some guys or gals in the 1960s came up with this new term "Born Again Christian" just to show who the true Christians really are .....Wow ! ......what a sad , judgemental bunch they must have been . And there's poor me .....thinking all along that it was by their fruits that they would be known......while all along , at least according to you , it's by the label "Born Again Christian" that they would be known ......but somehow it just doesn't ring true . I'll just stick with the Bible on this one . It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Lol!! Going to change my signature to Born Again Christian and blessed! Perhaps I am....and perhaps you are judging me.....not in the same league though as those who say that those who don't wear the unbiblical "Born A Oh dear.....I wondered how long it would be before this lot cropped up........chickens coming home to roost ......and all that stuff .....and how sad it sounds. So some guys or gals in the 1960s came up with this new term "Born Again Christian" just to show who the true Christians really are .....Wow ! ......what a sad , judgemental bunch they must have been . And there's poor me .....thinking all along that it was by their fruits that they would be known......while all along , at least according to you , it's by the label "Born Again Christian" that they would be known ......but somehow it just doesn't ring true . I'll just stick with the Bible on this one . It looks to me that YOU are the judgmental one. Attacking Christian Brethren from the 60's that can't explain and defend themselves. Nice Fruit. Perhaps I am .....and perhaps you are judging me.....but it's not in the same league as those who say that if we don't wear the unbiblical "Born Again Christiann What is really troubling you Robin Hood? What's troubling Robin Hood is that Christians make a distinction between the tares and the wheat, the goats and the sheep, the unregenerate and the regenerate. That, in his opinion, is "judgemental". The sad truth is that all who call themselves Christians are not necessarily so. And sorting out the tares and the wheat , the sheep and the goats is the job of Jesus.....not the job of some guys who invent a "Born Again Christian" label to sort them out . I'll stick to what the Bible says.....not what you say . Okay, so what does the Bible say about the relationship of being born again, to being a Christian?? The Bible says that as sons and daughters of the Father through the rebirth by water and the Spirit we are not to judge . Let those who wish to judge do so , but don't expect me to follow their ways . I have no intention of going around with an unbiblical "Born Again Christian" label , just so I can claim I am Christian because I wear that label , and judge all other Christians as not really being Christians because they don't have that label hung round their necks . We show our fidelity to our adoption by the fruit we bear , not by some label we wear....a label some guys came up with fairly recently. Being born of the spirit and water IS being born again.

What's troubling Robin Hood is that Christians make a distinction between the tares and the wheat, the goats and the sheep, the unregenerate and the regenerate. That, in his opinion, is "judgemental". The sad truth is that all who call themselves Christians are not necessarily so. And sorting out the tares and the wheat , the sheep and the goats is the job of Jesus.....not the job of some guys who invent a "Born Again Christian" label to sort them out . I'll stick to what the Bible says.....not what you say . Okay, so what does the Bible say about the relationship of being born again, to being a Christian?? The Bible says that as sons and daughters of the Father through the rebirth by water and the Spirit we are not to judge . Let those who wish to judge do so , but don't expect me to follow their ways . I have no intention of going around with an unbiblical "Born Again Christian" label , just so I can claim I am Christian because I wear that label , and judge all other Christians as not really being Christians because they don't have that label hung round their necks . We show our fidelity to our adoption by the fruit we bear , not by some label we wear....a label some guys came up with fairly recently. Being born of the spirit and water IS being born again. Exactly.....Being born of the spirit and water IS being born again......that's why the term "Born Again Christian" is theological nonsense .

What's troubling Robin Hood is that Christians make a distinction between the tares and the wheat, the goats and the sheep, the unregenerate and the regenerate. That, in his opinion, is "judgemental". The sad truth is that all who call themselves Christians are not necessarily so. And sorting out the tares and the wheat , the sheep and the goats is the job of Jesus.....not the job of some guys who invent a "Born Again Christian" label to sort them out . I'll stick to what the Bible says.....not what you say . Okay, so what does the Bible say about the relationship of being born again, to being a Christian?? The Bible says that as sons and daughters of the Father through the rebirth by water and the Spirit we are not to judge . Let those who wish to judge do so , but don't expect me to follow their ways . I have no intention of going around with an unbiblical "Born Again Christian" label , just so I can claim I am Christian because I wear that label , and judge all other Christians as not really being Christians because they don't have that label hung round their necks . We show our fidelity to our adoption by the fruit we bear , not by some label we wear....a label some guys came up with fairly recently.

What's troubling Robin Hood is that Christians make a distinction between the tares and the wheat, the goats and the sheep, the unregenerate and the regenerate. That, in his opinion, is "judgemental". The sad truth is that all who call themselves Christians are not necessarily so. And sorting out the tares and the wheat , the sheep and the goats is the job of Jesus.....not the job of some guys who invent a "Born Again Christian" label to sort them out . I'll stick to what the Bible says.....not what you say .

The term "Christian" is found in the New Testament, and in the light of Scripture it AUTOMATICALLY means one who has been born again, born from above, born of God, regenerated, become a new creature in Christ, become a child of God. So "born again Christian" is really the only kind of Christian God recognizes. Because millions are "Christian" in name only, the term "born again Christian" has come into use to distinguish true possessors from false professors. BTW Jesus never used the word "Christian" anyhow. He spoke of His "disciples". Oh dear.....I wondered how long it would be before this lot cropped up........chickens coming home to roost ......and all that stuff .....and how sad it sounds. So some guys or gals in the 1960s came up with this new term "Born Again Christian" just to show who the true Christians really are .....Wow ! ......what a sad , judgemental bunch they must have been . And there's poor me .....thinking all along that it was by their fruits that they would be known......while all along , at least according to you , it's by the label "Born Again Christian" that they would be known ......but somehow it just doesn't ring true . I'll just stick with the Bible on this one .

Yes it was. Try reading John 3:3-7. I have read it . It says nothing about Born Again Christians . Read it again and you will see what it actually says . That's what a Christian is. "Born again" describes a person who is born of God, spiritually. Christians are people who are born again. You are trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist. The only thing that has been manufactured by humans on this thread is the term "Born Again Christian" . Can anyone find me the term "Born Again Christian" prior to the 1960s......a decade when some took the notion of manufacturing some sloppy , lazy theology.....not a good thing to do.....leads to error.....a thing to be avoided like the plague . That is complete nonsense. You are making an issue out of a non-issue. "Born again Christian" is a recently used phrase... So what??? Does it contradict the Bible? A Christian is someone who is born again. So "born again Christian is perfectly fine to use and does not do violence to biblical doctrine. How does a person become a Christian if not by being born again? Something is "unbiblical" when it contradicts the Bible and its teachings. The Bible also does not contain the word, "grandfather." Should we abandon that as well??? Honestly, you don't know what you're talking about. "Born Again Christian" does not go crosswise with the Bible, or change anything about the Bible or the Gospel and so you are really out in left field. Do you have a problem with being "born again?" Does that concept offend you? I have no problem with being "born again" . I am born again . My problem is with the unbiblical term "Born Again Christian"......a term invented in relatively recent years.....a term understood in so many different ways.....a source of confusion.....a source of error .....a term to be cast into the outer darkness along with so many other modern novelties . I will stick with what the Bible says .

Yes it was. Try reading John 3:3-7. I have read it . It says nothing about Born Again Christians . Read it again and you will see what it actually says . That's what a Christian is. "Born again" describes a person who is born of God, spiritually. Christians are people who are born again. You are trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist. The only thing that has been manufactured by humans on this thread is the term "Born Again Christian" . Can anyone find me the term "Born Again Christian" prior to the 1960s......a decade when some took the notion of manufacturing some sloppy , lazy theology.....not a good thing to do.....leads to error.....a thing to be avoided like the plague .

John 3:-3-6 says that unless a person is born again, they cannot enter the Kingdom of God. In the Greek the term actually means, "born from above." So you probably want to read your Bible before making such ridiculous claims. A Christian is someone who is "born again" according to Jesus Perhaps you need to read again what I wrote . I have read Jn 3:3-6 enough times , and it says nothing about Born Again Christians .

Yes it was. Try reading John 3:3-7. I have read it . It says nothing about Born Again Christians . Read it again and you will see what it actually says .

Too often I come across the term " Born Again Christian " . The term will not be found in the Bible . The term is actually theological nonsense......Just think about it......it doesn't make sense.....it was never used by Jesus .

Yes it is impossible because praying to those who have passed on is a sin and God will not enable you in your sin. Praying to people who cannot see or hear you is futile. And what can a saint do for that God has not already promised he would do. Jesus said that He is with us until the end of the age. So if Jesus is here with us, why do we need to pray to someone in heaven? Jesus is all-knowing and all-seeing. He is not up in heaven distracted by other things and there is nothing in our lives that he doesn't already know is either happening or is about to happen. So praying to saints is actually a step backwards and fundamentally useless when we can pray directly to an all-knowing God who hears every word we speak. God micromanages this universe down to the very last atom. He is more than capable of hearing and answering our prayers simultaneously and he doesn't need or have any use for "saints" as intermediaries. My dear Shiloh. We have been over this many times already. You are simply wrong again as you have been wrong about everything you have ever said about Catholicism. You have filled your heart with the lies of others and perpetuate those same lies. This grieves my heart and I am sure it grieves the Holy Spirit as well. You act as though Catholics expect the Saint to answer their prayer. That is not how it works. You ask others to intercede for you. Do you expect the one you ask to intercede for you to answer your prayer? No. You expect God to answer your prayer. It is no different when a Catholic asks a Saint in heaven to intercede for them. Catholics ask the Saint to INTERCEDE for them. It is GOD who answers the prayer. You said: Do you ask others to pray for you Shiloh? Do you pray for others? Why do you do so if you can pray directly to an all-knowing God who hears every word we speak? How is asking others to pray for you not a step backwards? Your vision is so clouded by false images and ideas of what you do not yet understand. The resulting confusion is so great that you cannot even see that by condemning Catholics for asking the Saints in heaven to INTERCEDE for them, you are condemning yourself for asking others to INTERCEDE for you. May God remove the root of this confusion from your mind.