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  1. What the law says it says to those who are under the law, not everyone has appropriated grace, have they? If not, are they still not under the law?

    Im sorry I am little confused at what your saying. Are you saying that not everyone has received by Grace the gift which was promised to us? In acts it says that the spirit was poured out upon all flesh, to every creature which is under heaven. The apostle John taught that Jesus was the true light, this light lighteth every person who comes into this world.

     

    Act_2:17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 

    Joh 1:8  He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 
    Joh 1:9  That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 

     

    It just sounds like to me from reading the scriptures that we have been translated into the Kingdom of God and are now sitting with Christ in heavenly places, or no?

     

  2. I understand what you guys are saying, but can anyone explain those verses? I mean Jesus said it, did he lie or was he mistaken? 

     

    And Concerning anti-christ, John the Apostle explained who anti-christ was I thought, and said that the anti-christ had already come and there was many anti-Christ in the world already.

    Jn_4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 

    1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time

    1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. \

    I'd actually like to hear more clear explanation on this.

    You said "Paul warned that the last days would bring a marked increase in false teaching." But false teachings and false prophets have been going on since before Christ walked the earth, even Jesus himself spoke of this things giving council to his apostles. And the apostle Paul spoke of these in 2 Cor. quite a bit, speaking of those in the world that were false Prophets. 

    You also said "we are to be watching for prophecy fulfilled because Jesus told us that the day of the Lord—His return for His own—would come like a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10), unexpected and unannounced."

    Yet Jesus himself said:

    Luk 17:20  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 
    Luk 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 
    Mar_14:58  We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. 

    Coming without being able to be observed, seems to me he is speaking of spiritual things right? I don't know. What do you think?  Even still, that does not explain why Jesus would say that nothing in the laws would change until all things have been fulfilled. When it is apparently evident that the laws of the old covenant, which made no man perfect, have been taken aside and nailed to the cross as Paul put it. Can you see why Its a bit confusing to me.

     

    God Bless

     

     

  3. I am little confused, I found these verses in the bible where Jesus said not the smallest part of the law would be changed until all things was fulfilled. Yet clearly the laws have been done away with and changed according to Paul's teachings. What can this mean? 

     

    Mat_5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 

    Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 
    Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 

     

    Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 
    Col 2:14  Blotting(erasing) out the handwriting of ordinances(laws) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 

     

    Can someone please help me out with this. I have other scriptures also that are little confusing, but id like to start with these.


    God Bless

     

     

  4. This topic will be discussing Matthew chapters 24-25. But the following verses specifically. Please feel free to use the entire 2 chapters or any other book and chapter of the bible on the return of Jesus to express your point of view.

     

     

    Matthew 24: 30-31

     And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Matthew 25 : 31-32

    When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

     

    Above are the verses I have questions about. I would like to know how everyone understands these verses in context to Matthew 24-25 as a whole. For both chapters are talking about the end times. It is one long disclosure by Jesus on the end times, and in this long disclosure he mentions his return twice in very interesting detail.

     

    1. Do these verses say Jesus returns twice?

    2. Why does the 1st verse above say he returns to gather his elect, while the 2nd verse talks about gathering all nations to him?

    3. Why do the verses around the first verse above refer to Jesus only as the son of man, while the verses around the 2nd verses above refer to Jesus as King?

    4. Doesn't the gathering of his elect and the gathering of all nations to Jesus first happen at 2 different times?

    5. Are these verses talking about a single return of Jesus or 2 different returns of Jesus?

    6. Isn't the comment about separating the sheep from the goats a reference to the final judgement in revelation, while the first return to gather his elect more in line with the rapture?

    7. Are they both the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth by Jesus or is only the 2nd set of verses above talking about the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth by Jesus and the first set of verses above talking about the rapture? 

     

    I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts on this. May God bless you all

    Firestormx

     

     

    1. No they refer to the same even, the Return of Christ, no where in the bible does it teach multiple returns.

    Mat_24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 

    Col_1:23  If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have (have; past tense) heard, and which was(past tense) preached to every creature(every;all) which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 

    Act 2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 
    Act 2:5  And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 

    Heb 12:1  Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 
    Heb 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 

    Col 1:12  Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 
    Col 1:13  Who hath(has;past tense) delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated(defi: Convert) us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 

    Rapture as explained by dictionary and believed by most Theologians. the experience, anticipated by some fundamentalist Christians, of meeting Christ midway in the air upon his return to earth. To be raised up.

    Eph 2:5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 
    Eph 2:6  And hath (has;past tense) raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 

     

     

     

     

     

     

  5. It is as He still speaks in parables to the world crowds so they cannot understand, and He explains in private to His disciples.

    You are right about that. He spoke in parables so only those with the spirit could understand.

    Mat_13:13  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

    Mat_15:10  And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 

    Mar_4:9  And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. 

    2Co_4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 

    1Jn_2:20  But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 

  6. I am interested in hearing other opinions about this crucial verses in Matthew 24.  

    "So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates.  Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place" (Matthew 24:33-34).  

    I never really had an opinion about this verse before I realized how significant it was in separating opinions concerning prophecy within the body of Christ.  

    Since then, I think that it is important to gain more clarity on this verse as we move forward in the times that we are living.  

    I found from a basic Google search that according to Genesis 15:14-16, God defines a generation as 100 years because He tells Abraham that his descendants will be oppressed for 400 years.  Then, He tells Abraham that in the fourth generation they will return to the land He promised Abraham.  So, that would equal 100 years per generation, which would equal 400 years of oppression in a foreign land.  Although, I wonder if that includes the time they spent wandering in the wilderness.  

    So, I don't know how long I would consider a generation to begin with.  

    But, I would conclude that Jesus is not referring to the disciples as "this generation."  He is saying that "this generation" will witness all the things He has just described in Matthew 24.  

    Thank you in advance for your thoughts on the subject.  :)

    This seems to be an oft discussed theme among some boards. And you would be correct as generation used throughout the bible referred to a actual generation of people, about 100 years. Luk_1:50 "And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation." 

    However something to keep in mind is that in the parallel of gospels when Jesus was speaking of this, he would often word it differently, but meaning the same thing. For example.

    Mat_16:28  Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. 

    Mar_9:1  And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 

    Luk_9:27  But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. 

    Luk_21:32  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 

     

    God Bless.

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