JohnKing67

I disagree. What you're calling sanctification, I'm calling salvation. It should happen one time. After that we're in the process of growing spiritually.

I'll repost what I said it that clears it up. "Once you're saved, you are expected not to sin. Is it still possible to sin? Yes. Is it impossible not to sin? No"

Nope, nothing to hide. And I don't believe we have to be sanctified our entire lives. Once should be enough.

This may be a dumb question but what do you mean by "sanctified our entire lives?"

No I'm not saying it's impossible to sin once saved.

If you read the two verses before 1 John 1:8 it's talking how a person gets saved or purified. So I believe verse 8 is talking about people who won't get saved because they believe they have no sin. It's not talking about those who are already saved/purified. That's my interpretation.

At salvation

I hesitate to answer this, but since you asked I'll answer with what I believe. I believe that when you sin, you're no longer saved. Once you're saved, you are expected not to sin. Is it still possible to sin? Yes. Is it impossible not to sin? No No sure exactly what you meant be the last question.

I don't believe thoughts are sinful unless they cause you to do something sinful. If the thought itself was a sin we'd all be in trouble. I thought I answered that sin of Omission question awhile back??

It means starting over with salvation. Salvation being your first work. Maybe work isn't the proper term.

Yes I did, that's IF you sin. I didn't say it was inevitable that you would. And I don't remember saying I was doing this repeatedly. But whatever, I don't want to make a big deal out of this.

For me it's been more like a few months, and I honestly can't think of a sin I've committed in that time. Or if I have I'm not aware of it. But then again I don't see why it's that hard not to sin if you really don't want to. Of course it takes Jesus to do it. I just try not to pray every day for God to forgive me of sin. I'd rather pray every day that I don't sin in the first place.

Awhile back I posted this link. I'll post it again if you want to read it because it says better than I can what I think is meant by 1 john 1:8. https://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/if-we-say-we-have-no-sin-the-misinterpretation

No that's not what I meant. I meant if we sin we have to repent and find forgiveness again. I just don't agree that sin is unavoidable, and inevitable, and there's no way you can ever be free from sinning.

Right, but I don't remember saying that I was sinning and repenting repeatedly. That's what Billiards Ball claimed I was saying, I think. Not sure.

I understand. What I said was in response to a few posters who claimed they have the righteousness of Christ yet say they sin daily. I'm just saying that to me that not my definition nor what I think is the biblical definition of the righteousness of Christ. What do you think 1sheep? Am I wrong?

Umm, sorry, when did I say this because I don't remember it. Are you saying I said I sin and repent repeatedly, because I'm pretty sure I didn't say this.

True, but that's exactly my point. Jesus never sinned because he had the righteousness of Christ from the day he was born. Humans on the other hand have to attain that righteousness. That's the only difference. It doesn't make that righteousness any less effective once attained. It just means we didn't have it our whole lives like Jesus did.

I agree. When you say there's no need to assume or speculate, then I have to believe "go and sin no more" means what it says, literally. Of course the choice was up to her.

I will only say that if someone is going to claim to have the righteousness of Christ, then they should live like Christ lived. Otherwise don't claim to have the righteousness of Christ. Just say "I'm doing the best I can". I mean, wouldn't you agree that Christ never sinned, and he had the righteousness of Christ his whole life. So if we're going to claim to have the same righteousness when we get saved then we should have the same results that Jesus did from that point on. Doesn't that seem the slightest bit logical or am I off here?

I see. I've gotta run for now. Thanks for the reply.

So our relationship with God is in a constant state of change then because we will always sin and have to ask for forgiveness? Do you ever get tired of asking him to forgive you? I use to be in the habit of constantly asking God to forgive me and I got very tired of it. I felt like a failure for constantly asking to be forgiven.

ok, so you would say God's attitude towards sin has changed then since Jesus's death/resurrection. Sin not approved of in the Old Testament. Sin ok in the New Testament. I just want to understand what you're saying?

But can we assume it's adultery only? And can we assume it only means to make a choice not to sin instead of actually not sinning?

I don't quite understand this view because the first man and woman were created to be sinless, and when they sinned they lost the Garden of Eden and damaged their relationship with God. Did God's attitude toward sin change from the OT to the NT?