JohnKing67

Bye all.

Maybe we can even keep in touch from time to time?  Although if you don't want to that's fine too.

1 minute ago, maryjayne said:

is it ok if i continue to pray for you?

Sure, I don't mind.

4 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Yes, all that is needed:

1) Pray about your doctrine, you might want to start with "Lord, is this true, that most evangelicals who love the Bible are wrong, lost?"

2) Make sure you only use clear verses to interpret unclear verses:

Unclear: "What must we do to be saved?"

Clear: "Trust Jesus, and you and your household will be saved."

A lot of very smart people struggle with the jargon words in places like 1 John. Good people, on both sides. Start with clear verses like John 3:16 - "Whoever trusts Christ will NEVER perish." That alone is reason to embrace eternal security. Here's some more clarity: "Salvation is a free gift of God" (Romans 6:23) and "The gifts of God are irrevocable (not returnable!)" (Romans 8).

Thanks for the advice.  I'm probably going to try to stop posting because I feel I've said what I wanted and now I'm just repeating myself.  I didn't intend to respond this many times as it is.  No hard feelings hopefully?  God bless.

4 hours ago, Billiards Ball said:

Not doing better when you can is SIN. Sin is "missing the mark of perfection" in the Greek. The Bible also says "all wrongdoing [like not doing better] is sin" and the Bible says "whatever is not of faith [like not doing better] is sin".

You are in the church for the same reason as me, you sin. Not an accusation, you seem like a strong brother who loves the Lord, but you are confused on this doctrine of "perfection". Perfection is in Heaven:

1) Only perfect people can live in Heaven (without messing it up for others)

2) Christ died to make imperfect people perfect

3) Born again Christians do a LOT better than others in most cases, but are imperfect

4) Born again Christians will be perfected at the Rapture, the blessed hope, saved

I understand you don't believe in perfection and at this point I won't try to convince you any differently.  You are obviously very secure in what you believe and in the end we all have to do what we feel the Bible is telling us to do based on how we interpret it.

One thing I know about the Bible is if you get three different people to interpret a particular verse, you might get three different interpretations.  So it is a tricky thing and I assure you I don't take it lightly, and I can tell you don't take it lightly either.

4 hours ago, Billiards Ball said:

Not doing better when you can is SIN. Sin is "missing the mark of perfection" in the Greek. The Bible also says "all wrongdoing [like not doing better] is sin" and the Bible says "whatever is not of faith [like not doing better] is sin".

You are in the church for the same reason as me, you sin. Not an accusation, you seem like a strong brother who loves the Lord, but you are confused on this doctrine of "perfection". Perfection is in Heaven:

1) Only perfect people can live in Heaven (without messing it up for others)

2) Christ died to make imperfect people perfect

3) Born again Christians do a LOT better than others in most cases, but are imperfect

4) Born again Christians will be perfected at the Rapture, the blessed hope, saved

Let's say you don't pay your tithe for a month.  Is that a sin or is it just  something that might cause you to not experience the full blessings of God.  I would say the latter.  I wouldn't necessarily call that a sin.  I guess only God knows for sure.

2 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

That's ok.

Whatever a church may tell you, you can always read the Bible for yourself and find out if what they teach is true, right?  

I'm actually in the process of possibly going to a different church, if I can decide on one.  

2 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

I am sorry if it seems a bit personal. i do not mean to be confrontational. I am asking as perhaps you are not in regular church fellowship and teaching, and that is leaving you to your own conclusions about what the bible says. Also, many of your replies suggest, to me, that maybe you are not being with other Christians in a Christian worship setting. That is why I ask. I am also concerned that maybe your church is not teaching the bible properly. I do not mean to be personal and wont ask again.

That's ok.

Whatever a church may tell you, you can always read the Bible for yourself and find out if what they teach is true, right?  

8 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

still not answered the question though.

also, in what way do you think its helpful and needed?

Yeah, I find that question a bit personal.

I think it's helpful to fellowship with other Christians.  I think there's other ways to fellowship though besides church.

8 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

because it sounds like you dont go regularly and often to church and I wonder if you think that, as you dont sin, you dont need church or fellow christians. I am also thinking that maybe where you do occasionally worship is not called a church.

I think church is helpful so I wouldn't say it's not needed.

48 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Yes, and don't forget "putting on the armor daily" of Ephesians 6, which is required daily because we are tempted to sin daily.

By the way, if you only sin every few months, you are in the fruits of the Spirit for months at a time, so if you get the Holy Ghost Baptism, there is no reason to be in church other than the command to not neglect fellowship, Hebrews 10.

I'm not planning on sinning every few months if that's your question?  The rest of what you said I can agree with, although I won't question everyone's reason on why they go to church.

58 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

how often do you go? specifically?

May I ask why it's relevant how often I go to church? 

40 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Okay, so you are like some of my good pals who say, "mental belief in the cross and resurrection/mental trust in Jesus Christ isn't enough, you have to have action to be saved".

But in church, you are not growing, only gaining intellectual knowledge of God, mental beliefs. After all, you can't do any better at all in the Christian walk, for the last few months, you've only done right actions.

How are you "spiritually growing"? I'm curious. To me, "spiritual growth" has to do with putting the facts of the Bible above feelings, even faith, and overcoming sin.

There's also receiving things like "the fruits of the spirit", the "Holy Ghost baptism". 

36 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

thanks. And how often do you go to church?

I don't go every week, but I'm trying to get to that point.

22 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Okay, so you are like some of my good pals who say, "mental belief in the cross and resurrection/mental trust in Jesus Christ isn't enough, you have to have action to be saved".

But in church, you are not growing, only gaining intellectual knowledge of God, mental beliefs. After all, you can't do any better at all in the Christian walk, for the last few months, you've only done right actions.

How are you "spiritually growing"? I'm curious. To me, "spiritual growth" has to do with putting the facts of the Bible above feelings, even faith, and overcoming sin.

Most Christians, myself included, can probably do better.  In terms of giving their time to God.  Doing God's will I mean.  

2 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

do you take communion? how often?

I've taken communion once in my life.

20 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

If that's so, are you saved? Do you not understand? 

I'm curious what kind of church you go to, how they teach. Because at most churches I've been to, repentance, confession and altar calls are held for Christians frequently.

If everyone in your church is you, "Honestly, can't remember sinning for months" why do you attend church weekly? I'm being serious, not sarcastic. You're "done", only people who never sin are saved, so why are you on this forum where 99+% of people are believers who sin and rely on grace in an ongoing fashion? According to this doctrine, almost every single person posting and praying here is going to Hell if they died today. Shouldn't you fellowship with "real" sinless believers?

You're right most churches do hold altar calls frequently.  It's so people who need to repent can go to the altar.  If you're saved then why go to an altar call for salvation?  It's not a requirement that you go to an altar call.  Why go if you don't need to?

I don't look at a church as being only for getting saved.  A person can get saved without a church if they want.  It's also about learning and fellowshipping with other Christians.  Spiritual growth is not over at salvation.  There's still a lot to learn after you're saved.

1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said:

because God's standard is perfection.

That is the standard when you're saved.  

8 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Only the Holy Spirit  can unshackle one from Satan’s lie  —— the self-righteous delusion that you are “ good enough” and will make it to Heaven on your terms.

 

If a person is relying on self righteousness then they will never be "good enough" and you're right it will be a delusion.  It's why I've said it's not self righteousness but the righteousness of Christ that should be relied on.  

3 hours ago, 1sheep said:

What denomination?

I don't know what demonination.  If anything I consider myself nondenominational.  I don't put that much importance on what the label is.  I know I'm not Catholic if that helps.

Just now, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Fair enough.....I would not care  ,but I think your position puts you in jeopardy of living under a “ gospel” that is accursed.The Bible can be a very dangerous thing if not properly taught. “ Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth”.Check out “get God’s Gift”. Take the time to study your beliefs and check out what others think.Good luck and God bless

I feel like I could say the same thing about the gospel you're living under, but I won't.

Thanks for your concern and I appreciate it.

6 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

You can scroll back and find it. 

I did, but it seems like I answered all of them.

2 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Yes......The sins of all mankind were dealt with and paid for at the Cross of Christ 2000 years ago.Yours,mine and even Hitler’s.It’s a shame poor old Adolf did not know how to “cash in”, so to speak.How about you?

ok, then respectfully I get your view, I just don't agree with it, in regards to future sins.

12 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

When we are reborn again we are saved ie justified. Sanctification is a lifelong process. This is my last reply to you sir. You are hiding something. I asked you  two questions  many many posts back. Until you can be honest; I have nothing more to discuss with you. I asked for good  reason. 

Repost those questions if you don't mind and I will answer them.  I was probably busy answering another question and missed them.  I have nothing to hide.

You keep using the word sanctification and I don't exactly know what you mean by that?  Does that mean repentance of sin?  If so, then I don't agree that it's a lifelong process.

2 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Justification= just as if I never sinned

I would agree with that.  Where we differ is the expectations God has on us once we're justified.  Does justification include not only everything I've done in the past but everything I will do in the future as well?