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On 6/21/2019 at 10:07 AM, dr3032 said:

To get kids away from the home and also so that they can be trained for their adult life.

Issue there is, it typically does a poor job of it. You don't go to school and learn chores, that's the parent's job. Same thing with cooking, budgeting, home maintenance, or much of anything related to actual job experience. Then when it comes time for college, where any actual training CAN begin (not to say it will because many classes offered are pointless), bankers have made it entirely too expensive for a good portion of the population and much of what they teach could really be learned through on-the-job training. Then you got technology making teachers more lazy and incompetent (many of whom are demanding higher pay), kids getting called purple penguins to avoid upsetting their gender sensibility, and children being taught all the joys and thrills of taboo sexual things. In this, it is revealed to be a massive waste of time and an attempt by the enemy to target our kids and warp their mentalities for the rest of their lives.

As for why it is years here and years there, the reasons vary. Some schools are more rigorous or the population needs workers ASAP. Other cultures view the age of maturity differently, and even other states.

I agree that schools might not be explicitly teaching students that many non-academic life skills (which I personally believe to be mainly the parent(s)' duty, however if certain children aren't being taught certain skills by their parents I think they might as well benefit from instruction in those skills elsewhere), however I have heard of home economics classes and when I was in secondary school there were in fact things such as mandatory cooking classes.

Thanks for everyone's replies and I appreciate it.

I appreciate impressing on me the importance and value of mathematics. My question is more about why primary and secondary school combined is 12 years, the purpose of school, and why the minimum school leaving age around the world is generally 14-18 years old and why the minimum school leaving age varies around the world; although I recognise these questions may be hard to answer.

4 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

BTW school never stops, well till the grass is on the other side. even then ... Who knows how much math will be involved in worship of our Lord.

Might try a study, oh oh bad word  study, but study it is,- of the 119th Psalm. Much math in it, a song. Much to be garnered if one learns  not a secret but just in the math that is there to be seen if one studies something of this acrostic inspired by God for the benefit of man as he worships His creator.

Thank you for suggesting how mathematics may be useful in understanding God's word and worshipping God. May I know how maths in involved in Psalm 119?

What do you mean by "till the grass is on the other side"? Do you mean when the Lord Jesus Christ comes back to judge the earth?

On 6/21/2019 at 7:29 AM, Neighbor said:

Hi, I suggest that is very wrongheaded thinking to disregard learning mathematics and that   the person that does not understand mathematics will not understand much of anything, will be a drag upon society, their own family, and really even their self. Being a dolt that cannot even make "change for a dollar" is not cool, it is economically devastating.

How does the farmer calculate the need of his fields?  How does an architect quantify his designs? How does a cook make a loaf of bread even? Without knowledge of math they would each produce only one folly after another and go broke only be so ignorant they would be the last to know  of it.

What is it that does anyone might want to do? Learn the math  of it and it will become something that one may be proficient at doing; don't learn the math and they will be just an idle dreamer, and eventually just another loser complainer wondering why  not them and yet someone else has the success.

Each are to run the race as though  to finish first! If one can't even measure the distance  of the course, nor comprehend what  distance means how is one to even begin to compete.

Don't tolerate in self the lazy person's excuses. Instead compete like no one else never quit never. Work it all out, it will add up to success.

 

Thank you for your post.

By more advanced mathematics I meant things like xy+2xy, I did not mean things like basic multiplication, fractions et cetera, but I was just giving an example of what I consider to be more advanced education.

I appreciate you pointing out that mathematics of is to much of everyday life and many parts of life.

1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said:

School was invented, worldwide, to teach, to indoctrinate, and to give parents a break (from the little rats)!

OK, thanks for this information.

I thought school might also have been invented to teach children and youth how to write, read, do arithmetic, history, geography et cetera; and also so that children do not need to work full-time. 

However, I do wonder why school is often 12 years instead of less or more years, and why the minimum school leaving age varies between different places.

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7 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

In America? Is that what you're asking?

AMERICAN SCHOOLS WERE CREATED TO TEACH THE BIBLE TO ALL. In Colonial times, there was 99% literacy. Today, 90%.

I am not asking only about American schools, but school around the world in general.

Why was school created and why is primary and secondary school combined usually 12 years in total?

Why is the minimum school leaving age around the world mostly 13/14-18 and why does it vary between countries and states?

I believe anyone who seeks God with all their heart and believes in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ can be saved.

Jeremiah 29:13: You will seek Me (God) and find Me (God) when you search for Me (God) with all your heart.
 

John 3:16-18 :

¹⁶ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

¹⁷ For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

¹⁸ He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

27 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Do not limit yourself to the standards of others, never accept limits placed upon you by "experts". Never stop educating yourself.

My own IQ was first recorded as 128, that number didn't help me a bit. I failed foreign language, took French 1 four times.  I was a failure according to college entry requirements of the time.

Didn't matter God led me to a wife to be and to a career that required a specialty school education which I aced and then passed with high percentile scores two board exams one state  and one national. I then attended community colleges for many years taking courses that interested me ( Law Advertising Marketing Photography ) did that for over fifteen years. Then  learned the hospitality industry and also construction obtaining a State contractors license  and investing. I have had six distinct careers and have found in each a chance to be of good service to others and to support myself and my family.   The point in sharing of that is to emphasize do not let others set limits on you. Accept nothing less than what you want to accomplish as your goal for the day, each and every day. 

Life is a long process, do not let anyone set limits upon your day nor your future days.

Important for you; Read the book "Finish First Winning Changes Everything"  by Scott Hamilton!!!

 

Thanks. 

13 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Where JesusChristIsLord, anything is possible, yes?

Yes, I believe that all things are possible for God, and the things that are impossible with men are possible with God (Matthew 19:27).

I believe with men it is impossible to be saved, but with God through His grace and mercy by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ all who come to Him and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ can be saved (John 1:12).

On 4/20/2019 at 12:11 AM, dr3032 said:

You can do math when you play basketball. Calculate the momentum, use statistics to gauge whether you want to take the shot or not... Or you could just dribble the ball and play it by instinct. Honestly, the vast majority of jobs you have to go to college for could just do on-the-job training, but then that lacks prestige. Think of it like driving. The manual makes it kind of complicated, but then you get used to driving and it almost becomes second instinct. College is a bunch of technical babble to explain something that's more simple in practice.

While numbers are important, one must never forget the element of people. If you make a good enough impression, you're willing to put in that extra effort to succeed, someone can give you a chance. If you have all of the qualifications for a job, but you show up wearing pajama bottoms and the most that they get out of you is a grunt or two, the job is going to be given to the more enthusiastic prospect. You would have to study hard, but i'm sure that if you want to, you can succeed.

I was also going to suggest non-college options, as many jobs don't require a degree and still pay as much if not more than college careers, but then I read that you're seeking social work. I don't think that social workers are held to an exceptional standard; you're dealing with people, not doing brain surgery. One of those community places might be good enough. Even then, do you have a set career path in mind? I can think of a few trades a person could go to trade school for as well, if their intention is to work with people.

Thank you.

Some careers I do have in mind are jobs such as certified nursing assistant, care worker, or careers in the area of rehabilitation services (e.g. physical therapy aide or assistant). 

My intention is definitely to work with people.  

On 4/18/2019 at 9:51 AM, Deborah_ said:

When I was a teenager, I was told that in order to get into university, you needed to have an IQ of at least 120 (i.e. well above average). But that was 50 years ago - and university education has changed since then! The UK Government wants at least 50% of young adults to go to university, which means an IQ of 100 would now be sufficient here (at least for some courses).

"University" now covers a much broader range of education than it used to, so a lot depends on what type of course you want to do. But I would have thought that someone with a below-average IQ is likely to find any academic course a bit of a struggle. So why do you want to go to university? Are there no other options that might suit you better?

Have you achieved the necessary grades in your school subjects? If you have, then the IQ test result probably doesn't mean much. If you haven't, then university probably isn't for you. If you go and then find yourself out of your depth, you won't be happy.

Other options other than a Bachelor's degree include possibly an associate's degree, or some form of post-secondary vocational training and/or full-time employment.

Possibly a "gap year" where the decision of whether to go to college (and major of study or career path) can be made later.

On 4/18/2019 at 10:21 AM, missmuffet said:

There are many colleges that have GPA requirements. You will have to notify a college of your choice to see what their requirements are. 

Thank you.

It seems most colleges that are not community colleges require at least a B average, but a few may accept a C average though an applicant with lower grades may need a higher SAT score.

I am looking at colleges that have a minimum requirement of not higher than a B or C average.

A reason I am looking at college is because there are some jobs that require a college degree. I am not looking at a math, science or philosophy major but more at majors that relate to the area of human or social services.

Technically in some places like Canada I think the term "college" may also refer to more vocational fields of study, but I am referring to "college" more in the traditional academic sense.

One thing that I have noticed is some state universities with high acceptance rates seem to have at have less than a 50% graduation rate. It also seems that you would be put on academic probation or academically disqualified for GPAs that the university  considers to be too low (some do not academically disqualify freshman students during their 1st and 2nd quarter), making it seem potentially more stressful than high school (just something to be aware of).

On 4/18/2019 at 8:52 AM, other one said:

that totally depends on where they went to high school and how much work they did for the first 12 years they were in school....   and how much they intend to put into college.   It depends more on ACT or SAT scores as to which colleges they could attend....   also how much money they can either have or borrow.

An IQ test really doesn't test your intelligence, as much as how much information you can gather and remember in a set period of time. Much too much emphasis is put on IQ scores.  Over achievers show this every day. 

I would like to know why it is important to you.

Thanks.

26 minutes ago, Clipper said:

It's important to understand that IQ is measured by a series of tests based on things like pattern recognition and processing speed. It in no means is a way to measure skill. It's also just placed on a bell curve, with 100 always being the mean IQ of a population and 15 as its standard deviation (they've actually had to make the tests increasingly difficult over time to keep 100 as the mean, as people have been getting increasingly higher IQs over the past few decades. Your 94 may have been a 105 or so a couple of decades ago).

 

If you believe that you have the necessary academic skills to attend a certain college then do that. I'd argue that your ability to adapt to a problem is more important than IQ. Alternatively, if the academics of a traditional University don't work out for you, you could always consider something like a trade school.

 

People with higher IQs will generally be able to solve problems faster and move through them easier, but that doesn't mean that you can't solve the problems. Work at your own pace, figure out what works best for you and pursue that.

Thanks.

I said "range", not an exact number.

On 4/18/2019 at 7:51 PM, other one said:

Yes they can graduate from a college....   it might take them more time to do so, but it happens every year...

Personally I think common sense is a more desirable thing to have...   and I have close relatives and friends with very high IQ's and practically no common sense at all.

Thank you.

I believe the most important thing is our salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for your reply.

I believe an IQ test score of 85-115 is considered to be in the average or normal range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification#Wechsler_Intelligence_Scales

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