We Overcome

Thank you, com7fy8 For your wisdom and insight. I will study 1 Samuel chapter 30. I love you!

Praying for direction. Jesus said if the spirit of the ruler rises against thee, leave not thy place for yielding pacifies great offenses. Not sure what they offense has been. The Lords divine intervention is greatly necessary. When the Lord if your entire life and you seek him intensely every day. Please tell me is it really wrong to confess to the body of Christ that your heart is grieved because of someone who is draining you and not Christlike and you choose to separate yourself. How is saying the following considered falling into temptation? How is it cursing? How does Galatians 5:20 apply here? It is a repentance for guilt by association based on the sinful actions against you by the person you brought in. Prayer is communicating with God. How do you cause confusion when you are not even a member? This was a snare, a trap, and it pulled in so many from church into it, and you've never had an issue with them. Lord, please help. Please. This is all that was said. It wasn't planned. 'Pastor, I love Jesus with all my heart. I love my brothers and sisters in this congregation in which he as positioned me. In the sincere intent of soul winning, I caused some things to transpire. I REPENT! I ask the church family to forgive me. I trust Jesus, because the church belongs to him. I believe Pastor dealt with it in last Friday’s prayer by the spirit of God. Pastor, I pray the Lord would expose the truth. I am not walking in fear. I ask the Lord to forgive me and lead me by His spirit, and always cause me to walk in His ways. I'm sorry.'

Hi Saints - Thank you for your comments. I'm sorry, this is written to be discrete. It is a very serious matter and just happened in August 3rd in a church of some wonderful people. A woman who is not a member has caused confusion in this church and is not there for Jesus, and does not drive or ever go to the church. The woman is on the prayer line and has deceived the prayer line pastor against a member who invited her to the prayer line. The member has been there for over 20 years who has never been involved with any negativity whatsoever. The woman who invited her repented due to feeling guilty by association and the prayer line pastor who is sinful, judged the member of the church and sided with the woman who keeps asking the member who invited her to forgive her and she does and then she does something else. It kept repeating itself. Now the prayer line pastor does not know the backstory and is only going off what the visitor is telling him. The member has not been in communication with the woman since 2020 after inviting her, and totally separated herself. She cared nothing about the woman being on the prayer line but did not expect her to start speaking evil against her and causing confusion. The prayer line pastor egged this on this on and does not know the woman has been constantly following and bothering the member. He doesn't know the backstory and has accused the member because the member asked the church to forgive her for this happening as a result of inviting this woman. He feels like she is rejecting the woman. He has no right and is hiding his own sin. He is accusing the member of the temptation of not forgiving the visiting woman. Yet he has no idea of all of the written responses of forgiveness in text responses. The member just refuses to be entangled with the visitor in any conversation, etc. The member has all proof of communication with the visiting woman. The prayer line pastor has spread this around the church and he has shunned the member, who has been silent and has not talked about it at church. It has come from him. The member is planning to speak with the pastor of the church and will show him all of the communication which has been all by text with the visiting woman. The prayer line pastor has caused gossiping. The prayer line pastor should have corrected this woman instead of giving her a license. He was told that Paul and Barnabas went their ways and it was fine. Yet he told the member days before this happened about wanting to leave his wife. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. The member is not someone who goes after sin. How can he be judging the member??? The messages preached in the church have all be around this repentance of the member. The member is seeking vendication of the Lord. He should have told her to go to her church which is 2.5 hours away. She has not been in church in 10 years. Psalm 43:1 Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man. Exodus 23:1-3 1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. 2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment: 3 Neither shalt thou countenance a poor man in his cause. Zephaniah 3:5 The just Lord is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame. Isaiah 26:10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord. Dear kwikphilly - I'm sorry. I will not add another video link.

Today! I believe and therefore speak VINDICATION to manifest! We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. In Jesus Name! God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Hi — I have been intensely seeking understanding of what this whole situation is. Here it is — 5 Signs that someone is sent into your life by the devil. Read the original story above and listen to the youtube. Go to Youtube and search this and listen. I don't want to put the entire url address here because the image is hideous, but the teaching is liberating. You help is still welcomed. Saints, please avoid entanglements with those who are covetous, jealous, envious, or just will not leave you alone. I came here seeking help and seems that I am responding to my own requests. But I know that in desperately seeking the Lord we will be helped. I pray that someone here is helped also. Jesus Is Lord!!! God Bless You!

Hi — I know this is a lot to read. I wanted to be detailed because of the severity. Forgiveness kept being given but without contact, actions kept getting worse. I will try to give you a synopsis. The word associates is used because it never developed into a friendship between these two women. LadyB has done a lot of soul winning and has never experienced anything like this. Some very serious things have been done. LadyB extended the right hand of fellowship and tried to get away from this person several times, but they kept showing up knowing LadyB is a christian. Deep regret has set in, forgiveness has been given, totally refuse to be in contact since the 2020 bible study fallout. The no contact is not being mean, just a plea to be forgotten by the other party. You are forgiven. Please go away. If at all possible, and time permits. Please share, or pray. Help is needed. Thank you, and God bless you!

LadyA met LadyB 11 years ago at work. LadyA lives blocks from the job and LadyB lives two hours away from the job with a four-hour drive. Public transportation isn't an option for LadyB. They became associates, with the understanding that they were both Christians. They started praying together and LadyA would put LadyB on speaker when she arrived in the presence of people she knew and would say okay you can pray. LadyB would request LadyA to call her when she arrived home. LadyB told LadyA that she felt uncomfortable praying her requests to God on speaker phone while LadyA was at her family/friend’s home, in the grocery store, or talking to others. LadyA would sigh loudly and say she'd pray. LadyB could no longer take the strain of the association and the awareness of things not lining up. LadyA revealed she was in a sexual relationship. Without saying anything LadyB start easing away and left with the association in great standing. LadyA shows up again sometime later, mentioned she was no longer in that relationship. LadyB had convictions about associating but engaged in Christian love. They began catching up. LadyB noticed their conversations were usually about LadyA complaining about her colleagues, all those who don’t like her, following her and out to get her, and just worldly. LadyB did her best to turn it back to the Lord. LadyA told LadyB that she kept her grounded. LadyA said she had a church home but knew she needed to start attending. LadyB noticed that if they spoke on Sundays, she would speak on how church service was and when asked, LadyA would always say she didn't attend. This went on for eight years. LadyB heard a sound Christian minister on the radio and asked LadyA if she wanted to visit with her. LadyA went and they enjoyed it. Sometime later, LadyB asked LadyA if she ever visited there since it was very close to her home and the response was no. They planned a July 4th get together and LadyB picked up LadyA from her home and they went to LadyB's home until LadyB's church picnic started. LadyA walked into LadyB's home and immediately complimented it and said it was nice for her and her daughter. LadyB smiled and thanked her for the compliment. They arrived at LadyB's church and LadyA was blown away and said if she lived near, it would be her church. LadyB smiled and agreed it was a very healthy church. LadyB has a tiny pup and LadyA sent a pic of the dog she wanted, and LadyB replied it was cute and encouraged her. LadyB would sometimes drive LadyA to various stores at the end of the month and stay in the car while LadyA went inside to do something (this was pertaining to her rent) LadyB began to feel uncomfortable sitting in the car due to the number of incidents to people sitting in cars, in addition sometimes it would be after eight in the evening and LadyA would sometimes not want to make the sacrifice to talk to LadyB during her two hours’ drive home to aid in her staying awake. LadyA would chime in asking how much longer. LadyB stopped calling her to talk after she would accommodate LadyA. One day LadyB picked up LadyA in a newly purchased (not new) Honda SUV and LadyA said that it was nice for her. LadyB smiled and thanked her for the compliment. Later in the week LadyA contacted LadyB and told her she bought a car and LadyB was so happy for her and congratulated her mentioning that now she can pick up her daughter, get home earlier without being in inclement weather, and start going to her church. LadyA told LadyB that she never learned to drive. LadyB was surprised but immediately said that she was willing to support her and go with her to drive in parking lots, in addition to suggesting that LadyA take driver's lessons. LadyA mentioned the costs and then told LadyB that the car was brand new and that she didn't intend to purchase a vehicle and that she was there with someone else. LadyB didn't comment. LadyA continued taking the bus with her daughter, allowing the car to be driven by many others and in accidents, etc. These people didn't even pick her up from work nor her daughter from school. LadyB prayed for LadyA but kept her comments to herself because LadyA was not someone you can advise. LadyB thought on how hard it was for her as a young mom and was always prepared to buy dinner for LadyA's daughter who would eat while waiting on her mom to come out of the store. LadyA got sick and needed to have a hysterectomy. The hospital was close to LadyA's home and LadyB visited on lunch breaks and took her home from the hospital. LadyA's mom was also with them, and LadyB planned to buy groceries for LadyA and then go home. LadyB ended up taking LadyA's mom places and dropped her off at home. LadyB had no idea where she was. LadyB went on to the store and called LadyA to ask if she wanted anything? LadyB thought it best to humbly ask about buying LadyA's groceries. LadyB knew LadyA enough and was glad that she asked. However, LadyB did get some extra items. LadyA she still got mad at LadyB and gave LadyB a dirty look and asking what that meant. LadyB said nothing, just supporting. LadyA found a coat she wanted and mentioned it to LadyB and shared it with LadyB who offered to buy it and LadyA said it was too much and that she would pay her back. LadyB said it wasn't expected and that it was a gift. LadyB noticed that LadyA started talking about people following her and listening to her conversations while she was in her home, spying on her and doing things to her. She would go from individuals to organizations. She said she pushed the couch up against her apartment door every night and would sometimes have the locks changed. She complained about the people upstairs. She said that she was at the store and a man stole her keys and was in her home and she had to hurry home and have the locks changed. She then complained about the people in her department on the job, that they were in her desk going through her things and they were accusing her of stealing the other staff's food from the refrigerator. That they would say she'd take their food when she would leave for the day. One day LadyB was with LadyA and LadyA said that someone was following her. LadyB was cautious. LadyA noticed that Sundays, and every day except Saturday, there would be times when LadyB wouldn't answer or would be busy. LadyB mentioned that she has a bible study on Sundays after church and that she's on her church prayer line Monday-Friday in the morning 6-7 and in the evenings 9-10. LadyB realized in her heart, that she never thought to invite LadyA to either one. LadyB invited her and LadyA came to the bible study and met LadyB’s friend of over 22yrs. LadyA was very unapproachable her first day there and LadyB's friend mentioned it and asked her if it would be the case going forward? LadyB told her that she didn’t think so and that things would be fine. LadyA got mad at LadyB's response to a question she asked LadyB. LadyA asked if she was wrong for telling her son what just got out of prison to stay with his girlfriend and be nice to her and stop making her cry and treat her gentle and love her. LadyB asked if they were married? LadyA said no, that's his girlfriend who loves him and he should treat her right and stop threatening to leave. LadyB agreed he should be nice but that he should not be there nor sleeping with her. That was the beginning of the end of the association. As time went on LadyA was extremely combative. If LadyB said yay, LadyA said nay. It got bad and LadyB called LadyA one day before a meeting to discuss it, and LadyA brought it into the bible study and LadyB's friend hung up. They talked and LadyA said she was leaving the bible study, LadyB said she didn't have to, but then said okay. LadyA called the next week and saying, 'I guess we're not having bible study today'? LadyB and friend were shocked and LadyB struggled but submitted to the idea of her returning. LadyA returned and then said she would not be back. LadyB wished her well, but LadyA started calling the friend of LadyB and one day the friend forwarded a message from LadyA back to her copying LadyB. LadyA thought she would cause confusion between LadyB and her friend. No one had to say anything, LadyA was busted. So, she stopped and never contacted LadyB’s friend again. LadyA worked in another department and was responsible for approvals in LadyB’s department. LadyA start hindering LadyB's work on the job and LadyB confronted her and LadyA lied. Approvals were always done in one day. It went to 15 days. LadyB asked LadyA if she could speak with her and she replied, ‘How can I help you?’ LadyB asked if she would approve the work and LadyA said to wait 15 days. LadyB said okay and went on. Well, LadyA is no longer in the department. They all wanted her out, and she got a job in a different department. LadyB’s work has been receiving prompt approvals as previous. LadyA continued on the prayer line. LadyA texted LadyB apologizing/asking for forgiveness. LadyB replied with forgiveness and apologized as well with hearts and smiley faces. LadyA then started copying how LadyB prayed in tongues on the prayer line, and it was obvious. The way it worked was that at nine everyone prays together, nine-thirty everyone sends their prayer requests to the prayer line pastor, he reads and prays and everyone else prays in agreement. LadyA started attacking LadyB in prayer. LadyA texted LadyB again sometime later apologizing/asking for forgiveness, saying people are always going to say things but that they are better together than apart and are going to be together in heaven. LadyB replied with a thumbs up, smiley face and a heart and said bless you. LadyB recalled how Paul and Barnabas thought differently and separated and God still used them both. LadyB truly forgave LadyA and just wanted her to leave her alone. LadyB felt stalked by LadyA. LadyA texted LadyB saying LadyB had always been favorable towards her daughter and sent an invitation to a virtual graduation. LadyB cancelled her class and went to the graduation and congratulated LadyA and spoke words of exhortation. The prayer line pastor read LadyB's request for healing of a common cold and then read a request from LadyA saying 'that's what you get'. Another time during the prayer when all can hear one another, LadyB was crying out to the Lord in tears asking that God would protect the prayer line, that there would be peace. LadyB cried that in 20 years of attendance, loving her church family and the body of Christ, she had never been involved in anything negative. The prayer line pastor read 'don't believe what you hear, believe me, agree with me, follow me'. LadyB was appalled. Couldn't believe that was read. This went on for a few weeks. The morning of August 3rd, 2022, without being planned, LadyB texted this to the prayer line pastor since it continued even after the church Pastor rebuked it: 'Pastor, I love Jesus with all my heart. I love my brothers and sisters in this congregation in which he as positioned me. In the sincere intent of soul winning, I caused some things to transpire. I REPENT! I ask the church family to forgive me. I trust Jesus, because the church belongs to him. I believe Pastor dealt with it in last Friday’s prayer by the spirit of God. Pastor, I pray the Lord would expose the truth. I am not walking in fear. I ask the Lord to forgive me and lead me by His spirit, and always cause me to walk in His ways. I'm sorry.' The prayer line pastor replied that they didn't know what was going on but that they forgave LadyB. That the Lord saw the tenderness of her heart and accepted her repentance and she was forgiven. The prayer line pastor called LadyB, and in intense tears and grief, LadyB confessed that she felt guilty by association and that she felt as if she opened the door and let a wolf in. She never gave a name but knew that he knew who it was from what he read from LadyA. He mentioned to LadyB that she did nothing wrong. LadyB mentioned without revealing her name, that LadyA needs to go to her church where God has positioned her, since she says she has a church, and stop causing confusion on LadyB’s church prayer line, that the church that LadyA said she once went to was closer to her home and LadyB's church is over two hours away. LadyB felt that LadyA was not on the prayer line for Jesus, but to cause confusion because LadyB is there. The prayer line pastor told LadyB to drop it, rise above it, don't talk about it, and to forgive. LadyB did what he said and afflicted her soul and went on a 40 day fast with just water and intense prayer. Instead of staying on the prayer line where the prayer line pastor flipped and was very mean to her, she went to the church early morn and in the evening and prayed at the altar. Sometimes staying until early in the morn. LadyB passed out 32 days into the fast, hit face down, hurting nose, bruising forehead, busting her lip, broke her glasses, hurt shoulder, leg and thumb, but still received victory from the Lord! LadyB believes that the enemy meant it for evil, but the Lord is working it for her good. The intense anger has passed but the disappointment is still there. Through it all LadyB learned about the outcome of Ahithophel's unforgiveness towards David. LadyB’s friend noticed that the prayer line pastor took advantage of LadyB’s prayer request and treated her openly before everyone as if she had committed some heinous sin. Knowing that she was repenting of association and feeling guilty for what was happening on the prayer line. He was the only one who knew this because he was the only one who spoke to LadyB on the phone. But he is hiding the truth from everyone. How evil. He has even deceived the Pastor of the church. LadyB has forgiven them, is thankful in the situation and chooses not to waste the experience, instead turn the shame on the devil through overcoming by the blood of the lamb and the word of her testimony of victory in the situation, allowing God to be glorified with the truth coming forth, and her vindication. LadyB recalls that she spoke with the church pastor some time ago with the incident following LadyA's departure from the bible study and asked that he pray for her. The church pastor asked if LadyA was in church and LadyB told him LadyA was not. He explained that's why LadyA could not submit in the bible study because she is not under any authority and is why she is not submissive and caused confusion in the bible study. LadyB also spoke to the prayer line pastor about LadyA some time ago and he prayed for her salvation as well, he just doesn’t remember. LadyB never gave him her name then either. LadyB recalls the prayer line pastor recently told the prayer line that he was once kicked out of a church and how lonely it was. He said you'll be okay. LadyB doesn't know who he was talking to, LadyB has done nothing. He was in a conversation with LadyB days before all of this happened, when a person asked for financial help and LadyB texted if the group could come together to support and he called LadyB to say no, and he then went into making the comment about leaving his wife. LadyB felt violated that he felt comfortable to mention that to her and quickly ended the call. Nobody knows about that but LadyB, he and God. Has he forgotten that? How can he be judging LadyB? LadyB doesn't know what LadyA has told him. LadyB knows she did what he told her, only to be abused by him. LadyB was at church one evening and ran into the church pastor and introduced herself and asked for a meeting. He said sure just make an appointment. LadyB told the church pastor she has never been involved in anything negative in the 20 years of being there. He placed his hands on LadyB and said 'You're a good person. I want to pray for you'. LadyB is trying to decide if to go through with the meeting because of not wanting to become one who gets trapped in what others think. People are looking at LadyB, who’s never done anything wrong in the church or been involved in anything evil in word nor deed. The prayer line pastor started shunning LadyB. LadyB has no idea what the prayer line pastor told the church pastor, nor what she wrong she is being charged with. LadyB heard the church Pastor say, 'how dare you curse someone out and assume they are talking about or to you when they make comments when they pray'. LadyB does not and did not curse. LadyB truly was grieved and repented for the association with LadyA. LadyB tried to help LadyA get back in communion with the Lord and after giving it thought, was hesitant about inviting LadyA to the bible study and to the prayer line after the history with LadyA. The prayer line pastor is the only person who talked to LadyB. Not one of the leaders has had a conversation with LadyB, she is just being shunned. The prayer line pastor was talking and taught on being tempted and falling into temptation. This has been an excessive judgement, and one would think that LadyB committed some heinous sin or slept with someone’s husband or murdered someone. LadyB assumes the prayer line pastor expects a greater of judgement for what he has secretly done. LadyB was sincerely grieved for bringing LadyA into her circle. Since all this happened on 8/3/22 the prayer line pastor has told LadyA that the prayer line is sufficient fellowship to God even if she doesn't attend church. LadyA is now posting all kinds of subtle messages online at LadyB's church. LadyB has not been back to the prayer line. Please advise LadyA and LadyB and pray.................................Thank You!!