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I agree that it is not a sin. Could you give the examples of sins that the believers including you commit?

Here is an example. "Bill was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, "To be continued.""

What if the fight led to you killing the offender in self defense? Will this be a sin?

Let's say that in these two scenarios I presented the spoken words are the same. The neighbor is sensitive to the subject of the joke. So, it depends more on the motivation than on words. Could you give the examples of sins that the believers including you commit?

With pleasure. Scenario 1. My neighbor is very sensitive to a certain subject. I don't know about it. I tell him a joke and offend him. Scenario 2. My neighbor is very sensitive to a certain subject. I know about it. I tell him a joke to offend him, although I know that it it is not right. In the first example it is a mistake. In the second example it is a sin.

I will do what you will do. But it was not the answer to my question. Will it be a sin?

Yes, all have sinned. But those who by grace of Yahweh became born from above stopped sinning (I John 3:6-9). It does not mean they became perfect or stopped making mistakes. There is a difference between a mistake and sin. I am waiting to hear your answer to my question, "If someone assaults you, and instead of letting them assult your wife as well ("turn another cheek") you will defend you and your family, wil it be sin?"

My point is that there is no definition in the Bible saying that sin is lack of absolute perfection. The main definition of sin in the Bible, as you correctly pointed out, is lawlessness or transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). Would it be OK to stick with this definition?

People believe either what they are used to, tradition, or what they have personally investigated. Have you investigated this question? Would you like to or no study of the Scriptures will change your mind?

OK, I am rewording. If someone assaults you, and instead of letting them assult your wife as well ("turn another cheek") you will defend you and your family, wil it be sin?

Thank you for your response. You assume that all who believe are born again. This is not the case. For example, read the words of the Savior, "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." (Luke 8:13).

There are definitions in the Bible as well. People's definitions are not always the same as divine definitions. For example, the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1. There is also the definition of sin in the Bible. Do you know it?

How do you know this is correct? The author does not know the purpose of Yahweh. For example, he/she writes, "All people inherit Adam’s sin nature". It was the case UNTIL the Savior attoned for the sin of Adam by His sacrifice. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world". Notice that "sin" is singular, sin of Adam. Did Yahshua the Messiah fail to take away Adam's sin?

This is a popular interpretation, but the popularity does not make it right. Compare with 1 John 2:1 who is writing to the believers: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous The same word "sin" also can be translated as "practice sin", but in context it is a single action.

I agree. Yet, we should strive for better understanding.

It is not an interpretation but a direct quote from the Bible.

Everything depends on motivation and circumstances. If someone assaults you, will you imitate Christ and ask to assault your wife also (offer other cheek)? Or you will rather "sin" and defend you and your family?

You are right. If sin is not having absolute perfection, then all are sinners including those who are born again. However, this is NOT what sin is. This definition is not in the Bible.

Sorry, it is not the answer. In this example with Spurgeon, I honestly don't know how the preacher sinned. Do you know?

You are very persistent. I stated several times that it is not about discussing me or other people. It is first necessary to have a clarity about what sin is. You said, "sin is rebellion against God; it is missing the mark or the standard upon which God commands of us." I appreciate the answer, but it is not clear what is "the standard upon which God commands of us". Could you please explain?

How did the preacher sin?

Please read these words of the Messiah: 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-36). Don't you think they contradict with what you wrote? When the Son (Yahshua) moved in the house (soul) forever, the servant of sin is evicted. Please compare with John: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:8,9).

I agree that the true understanding is the key.

Hi David, Please analyze these Scriptures: And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal (1 Cor 3:1-3) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be (Romans 8:6) Can you see that the believers in Corinth, "babes in Christ" were carnal or spiritualy dead?

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:8,9).