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Just because feelings are 'chemical reactions' does not mean they aren't real, but of course you'd think different.

Nope Neither According to the Bible, I'd have a one way ticket to hell

I would, though I wouldnt feel as though I deserved a second chance Devote my life to God and spread the word as best I could I wouldn't feel stupid, I'd just wonder what signs for Gods existence I missed or overlooked (cause as far as I'm concerned, there are no signs)

You know what...I like how you think, though i may disagree now, you'll be happy to know you have at least got me thinking...I'll ponder it for the mean time and get back to you

There are no right or wrong decisions with choosing black or white door, so I haven't neglected anything. The doors mean nothing about life and death. He wasn't clear enough. He told Adam if he ate from the tree, he would surely die. Remember, Adam has NO KNOWLEDGE of DEATH so telling him he would DIE isn't clear at all. I don't believe I was created to perish, because I don't believe I was created at all. So it has nothing to do with pride, nothing at all. I'm not a sinner (in the sense that you see it) but I am not a perfect person either. I don't think I'm 'too good to be damned', since, I don't believe in any form of salvation or damnation. Well, seeing how your God doesn't exist, I wouldn't say He was wrong and I'm right. Just because the salvation is there, is no reason for me to take it. Even IF I was hear still because I'm hungry for the truth, I still starving my friend and yet to be fed.

I still don't follow you. If God KNEW the person I would be (non-believer of Christ, etc) BEFORE he created me, HE made the DECISION to let me remain an unbeliever, although he allegedly had the POWER and KNOWLEDGE to make sure I knew Christ. Now, since He DECIDED I would remain an unbeliever, then surely I was created to perish unsaved, so of course I wouldn't see any reason necessary for me to be saved. Who willingly chooses death?? And what does the tree of life and death have to with two doors ??

Hmmm...I see a problem with this. You say "He reveals Himself in the Bible and realized these very traits of God are in all men". Could it be that God only has these traits of man, because man wrote the Bible with a pre-conceived idea that God has the very traits of man??

That's the thing though, who is the source the truth comes from? You can't expect me to assume it comes from your God. And for the record, I'm not an atheist, I'm more agnostic if anything.

How is it that my internal desire for love is an 'internal truth' about God? Why can't it be the internal truth about Vishnu? Or Shiva? Or Allah? Not to be disrespectful, but you have to realize that your God is as 'real' to me, as any other god in the world. Let's take a look at the internal truths about Allah.

I more or less started this thread just so people can ask questions and to get a glimpse of where I'm coming from and how I think. I wouldn't say I've learned anything in particular yet, but I do hope that I'll be able to learn from someone before this thread starts to die down.

HE DID! Shame on him now we should send him to the "Plagiarism" post cuz he didn't even give you credit lol, actually, if you read back a couple pages when I found out someone else had been doing a post very similar to this, I said that Ask An Atheist had reasonable ground to believe I stole (I really don't like that word) the idea from him . I offered no compensation, but one should also note that both myself and Ask An Atheist are two different people, so our ideas and opinions may differ. Seriously, not surprised but at least you admit it. You should offer compensation if you agree you stole it lol, i didn't agree that I stole it, I just said he had reasonable grounds to believe I did. In all honesty I wasn't even aware that he had already started a thread like this one, mostly because I only view the apologetics forum. Maybe I should browse the site more

I apologize, but I always find it tricky to answer questions concerning my values, so could you be a little more specific, sorry. I really wouldn't consider myself an atheist (actually, I don't know what I consider myself ), but I think I can answer your question. I don't think they are interested in discrediting believers. It's just that, religion can tend to be that annoying fly that's buzzing around your head, and rather then sit there and do nothing, you have to swing at it a couple times to make it go away. I wouldn't limit this to only religion though, atheists can also be an annoying fly as well . As for understanding the world, everyone goes through that point where they are seeking. Some find an understanding that's clear and some may even doubt their understanding now and then. There are also those who haven't come to a satisfying understanding, such as myself, who will continue to search until they are fully aware of where they stand.

HE DID! Shame on him now we should send him to the "Plagiarism" post cuz he didn't even give you credit lol, actually, if you read back a couple pages when I found out someone else had been doing a post very similar to this, I said that Ask An Atheist had reasonable ground to believe I stole (I really don't like that word) the idea from him . I offered no compensation, but one should also note that both myself and Ask An Atheist are two different people, so our ideas and opinions may differ.