apothanein kerdos Posted November 17, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2004 I must certianly agree that context is very key is supporting the scritpures. Certainly baptism in the holy spirit is mentioned, I was trying to say that the act of water baptism if for the sake of being joined in the name of Christ. I didn't mean that we don't get baptized by the holy spirit, sorry for the confusion. I would actually like some poeples opinion on what it means to be "baptized into the holy spirit" I have no idea to be honost. The nessesity of water baptism still stands of the fact that we need to share the "ressurection" with Christ 1Corth 15 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted November 18, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 18, 2004 Wow, ignored again. Does this mean you're unable to refute the things I've posted? Did you even read my post where I responded to your Romans 6 verses? I already addressed that at length. Oh well, let's move on... "Baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 3:21 Do you believe this reference to baptism refers to immersion in water? Let's look at these verses in context: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 18, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 18, 2004 Super Jew,Nov 16 2004, 11:37 PM The problem is baptism can't be symbolic and necessary at the same time. Why can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keslc Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 745 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1976 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Likewise in St. Mark, the last chapter, v. 16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow, hasn't this been quoted and addressed about 100 times in this thread?? It's like me repeating the phrase (which Jesus did speak) "...an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth....." over and over and using it to "validate" my belief that I can take revenge on someone and ignoring all surrounding scriptures and context and the OVERALL lessons we are taught THROUGHOUT the Bible that revenge is for GOD and not us. That is the exact same thing you are doing with this verse in Mark. Just in case it's not clear in the way I worded that...I of course do not believe revenge is my right..it was just a rhetorical example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 19, 2004 The only thing that wasn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobTriez Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1972 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Just curious....has anyone in this thread not been baptized ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 19, 2004 Just curious....has anyone in this thread not been baptized ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Define Baptism If you mean by water, who knows...but it sure helps when talking to people who aren't able to get baptized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobTriez Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1972 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Just curious....has anyone in this thread not been baptized ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Define Baptism <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not a chance Joel.....not interested in debating that. I'm just wondering who's not been baptized in this thread 'cuz it seems some are arguing over something here that could make some folks question their salvation.....what does Paul say about that ? 1 Timothy 1:23 23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Titus 3:9 9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. And before anyone twists my thoughts into saying that I think this topic is stupid or foolish, don't bother You know that's not what I mean I guess what I'm trying to say is if anyone here has not been baptized, I'd encourage them to get themselves baptized....and for those of us who have been baptized, I'd ask "why are we arguing over whether or not it saves you" ? I've already stated my position on that a few pages back and I loathe redundancy...so, I'll not expound on my position further....I'm just wondering "why the argument" is all ( and I'm aware this is a discussion board and that's the nature of such....to discuss. I'm looking at it from a Biblical point of view of arguing over things such as this ). God bless, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 19, 2004 Because if we say that salvation requires a work then we render the Gospel useless. Any discussion that pertains to Salvation is ALWAYS essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobTriez Posted November 19, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1972 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Because if we say that salvation requires a work then we render the Gospel useless. Any discussion that pertains to Salvation is ALWAYS essential. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never said otherwise Joel..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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