Chaos and Order and Law and God

[Manonfire63]

One of the archetypes Dr. Jordon Peterson  talks about is Chaos vs Order.   In Dr. Peterson's Bible Series he states some interesting things about The Spiritual, but he appears to teach about Chaos and Order from a "Man Seeking Truth Outside of God," and not more from a God-Centric or Spirit Filled point of view.  The following are some themes or archetypes as related to Dr. Jordan Peterson's lectures on Chaos and Order and how they work from a God centricity that your average person reading the Bible may have missed as related to Chaos and Order.

Various people that have been moved by Dr. Peterson are looking for God, or may be, and Dr. Peterson isn't necissarily an evangelist.  Being knowledgeable about Dr. Peterson is a good in to talk about God, and lead people to Jesus Christ. 

"Biblical Series II: Genesis 1: Chaos & Order"

The Unknown:  Leaps of Faith

The Lord is a shepherd.  (Psalms 23)  We may say that God has a Staff leading to Good things and Joy.  God has a Rod of Misery.  These two forces may be said to shepherd someone.  These two forces may be said to be God shepherding someone.  Someone who is a servant of God and following God may have been a "Servant to One's Sorrow or Misery,"  that is, to find God in a big way, and to really be shepherded by God, someone may of had to hit the bottom, or have gone through "The Eye of the Needle," where he had nothing else but God.  

A Farmer on the American Frontier at various point in time, may have become a Servant to His Sorrow.  A farmer who was lazy, or maybe who had a bad harvest, may have been miserable all winter.  He may have been starving and just barely surviving.  Maybe he lost some neighbors or family.  In the Spring, he may be highly motivated to plant and do better so he is not miserable.  At the same time, he seeks out God.  He prays.  He prays for rain.  Given he was lazy, he seeks change, and prays for God to change him.  He doesn't know what is going to happen come fall and harvest.  He works to lean on The Lord.  

The Farmer on the American frontier may have had two books. He had a Bible and a "Poor Richard's Almanack" or something.  All winter, he has time to read these and seek God.  He may have found God in a big way.  

The Farmer on the American Frontier may have had a minimum of law needed to function.  Law is often associated with order.  The Farmer on the American Frontier had a lot of freedom in being free from various legal constraints.  He was free to seek and serve God.  He willingly choose God and God's ways.   

People who follow God, tend to be pragmatic.  A servant to one's sorrow is more of a pragmatist.  Dr. Jordan Peterson is shepherded by Joy and Misery.  There are certain things Dr. Peterson likes and find enjoyable.  There are certain things that make him miserable.  Dr. Jordan Peterson may not have 100% been following God, but Dr. Jordan Peterson would be a pragmatist given he is not an ideologue, and seeking Truth.  What has been shepherding Dr. Peterson on a professional level?  He seems to have integrity, he appears to not like ideologues, he appears to be unwilling to sacrifice his integrity to ideological forces who demand that he does, and so Dr. Peterson drew a line at laws that force him to do so.  These forces represent misery, and what was potentially making Dr. Peterson Miserable or feel bad.  Dr. Peterson in drawing a line came into conflict with various ideologues and governments.  A servant to one's sorrow, at the basics of it, is someone who is doing what he needs to do to survive.  A farmer on the American Frontier doing what he needed to survive may be servant to one's sorrow.  He is a pragmatist. Someone like Dr. Jordan Peterson may have been a servant to his sorrow in that he was doing what he felt he had to do to save his professional integrity, and how he feels and perceives himself.  Various servants to one's sorrow may have sought and found God in a cause and effect way.  Their will ends up aligning with God's will.  The Lord is their shepherd.  

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When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, 2and he sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3He told them: "Take nothing for the journey-no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt. 4Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. 5If people do not welcome you, leave their town and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." 6So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere.  (Luke 9:1-6)

 

The Twelve Disciples may not have quite been servants to their sorrow at that time.  They were being taught by Jesus.  They may have started experiencing cause and effect.  Jesus sent them out in twos with no bag, no money, no extra shirt, no staff.  They went out to proclaim the Kingdom of God.  Where would they find food?  Where would they find shelter?  They would have to lean on The Lord, and learn to truth him.  They would rely on trust and grow in Faith with God.  They had knowledge of God.  They had instructions and what Jesus was teaching.  They worked to apply what they learned.  It may not seem pragmatic to travel with no bag, but there was a spiritual pragmatism.  There are spiritual rules.  They were going to rely on God.  Jesus instructed them.  They had faith in their teacher.  They should be obedient and have faith.  They were going on an adventure proclaiming the Kingdom of God, and taking a leap of Faith.  

Peter, Disciple of Jesus, may have been  a servant to his sorrow at various point in his life as a fisherman.  Sometimes the catch wasn't good.  He looked for ways to bring in a better yield.  He would like to be successful?  Jesus Christ comes along.  Jesus says "Follow me."  As someone who had been a servant to his sorrow, Peter may not have been aligned with God and accepting of God's spirit at the time.  He may have had knowledge of Torah.  He may not have been aligned with God.  To follow Jesus would take a Leap of Faith.  Part of what Jesus did was work to realign the Hebrew people with God.  

In the song "Dying Time" by Black Label Society, the theme of being a "Servant to One's Sorrow" is displayed.  Someone following Jesus may have to die.  He dies to the world.  He dies to the self.  He embraces God.  Jesus Christ is The Light and the way.  In terms of the video, the various imagery may be someone's vision of what is in "The Spiritual" regardless of if it is right or wrong.  We may come back to this later.  

Law as Order
 

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Some Spiritual Themes

Lucifer has been known as an Angel of Light.

Socratic Paradox - Given everyone is out to do good or what they feel is in their best interest, how can evil exist?  Satan exists.  Satan is a liar.  The road to hell is said to be paved with good intentions?  

 

 

Moses may be said to be a "Law Bringer."  God talked directly to Moses.  Moses gave Law or God gave law through Moses.  Moses bringing law wasn't necessarily just for order, like God is order.  The 10 Commandments have a lot to do with lies and deceptions.  Why does someone not lie, cheat, or steal?  These things create darkness.  Christians are children of The Light and not the dark.  (Ephesians 5:8)  Given someone told a lie, and another person believed a lie, the person who believed the lie may be said to be in The Dark.  His perspective of reality may be off.   

• Joe meets Dane for the first time at a business conference.  Joe asks Dane what he does for a living.  Dane lies about his occupation to be perceived as more than what he is.  Given Joe believed that lie, Joe may have developed a false sense of whom Dane was. Given Joe believed that lie, Joe may have been said to be said to be in The Dark about Dane's occupation.  Joe would have had a false sense or perspective about something.    

The Torah contains The Laws of Moses.  The Laws of Moses were not 100% all for and because of Order like God is Law and Order 100%.  This is a big distinction to make because in Paganism there is a tendency to separate and make gods for x, y, and z.  Christianity is not Dualistic where Satan is Chaos and God Order.  Christianity is not Zoroastrianism either.

In Babylon, a system of law was in place.  This system of law may be said to have established an order.  Whose order or towards what purpose?  In The Book of Kings, there are what are seen as Good Kings that worked to follow God and bad kings.  There was an order in place.  Who was being given authority?  Man?  Something else?  God? Law doesn't always mean good.  We will try to come back to this.  

Moses lead Israel out of Egypt.  Moses took some leaps of faith.  He followed God.  God is his light and Morning Star.  God is leading Moses and Israel.  Moses may not 100% know what is going to happen.  Moses trusts God. 

Moses has the people of Israel looking to him for guidance.  He is a Judge.  People have disputes.  Two neighbors do not get along, maybe they have an outstanding grudge or some conflict.  They need someone to settle their dispute.  Various men took their disputes to Moses to be settled.  
 

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Moses Appoints Judges

Listen now to me and I will give you some advice, and may God be with you. You must be the people's representative before God and bring their disputes to him. Teach them his decrees and instructions, and show them the way they are to live and how they are to behave.
But select capable men from all the people--men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain--and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will make your load lighter, because they will share it with you.
If you do this and God so commands, you will be able to stand the strain, and all these people will go home satisfied." (Exodus 18)  

 

Moses leading Israel may have found stress and things that made his life difficult.  He had a big job.  To help him with this job, he appointed judges.  Who was a Judge?  Someone who was honest and honorable and hated dishonest gain? Lying, cheating, stealing,  and idolatry are things that have created darkness and dishonest gain.  

• Manonfire63 meets an Atheist online, and they talk about The Bible.  Why is the Atheist an Atheist?  Various people from different backgrounds may have been atheists for various reasons.  Why is this particular Atheist an Atheist at this time, and does he have an ideology and why?  Manonfire63 questions the Atheist.  He finds out the Atheist is a Secular Humanist.  Humanism is an ideology rooted in Christianity or something that came from Christian Theologians.  It was secularized, and a lot of other ideologies have been connected to it or associate with it.  Manonfire63, keeps questioning said Secular Humanist Atheist.  Manonfire63, mentions Honor, male honor and tradition, and explains that is a good and necissary thing.  (Secular Humanism doesn't believe in that 1950's stuff.  Secular Humanists tend to believe that honor is a thing of the past and good riddance.)  Manonfire63 eventually exposes that the Secular Humanist Atheist has been a pawn of Satanists and/or is acutally a Satanist.  Someone with no honor or integrity, not believing in honor or integrity.   A Judge is your honor or the honorable.  Honor is necissary for Justice.  The Bible is The Word of God.  God doesn't lie.  The Atheist's Word is no good.  He is a liar or someone who spreads deceptions.  His subjective opinion of God and the Bible may have created blindness.  He is a false teacher given he has been working to influence others.  

During the times of Moses, Law was given.  Some people have been critics of Mosiac Law, or they don't understad it, and the harshness of it being of The World.  In term of Heirarchies of Authority, Israel in the wildreness would have been outside of The World of Lies, living intimately with God experiencing the Spiritual.  (Mana from heaven.)  Seeing and experiencing miracles.  God wanted them to be a Holy People.  Does law bring order?  Law does bring  order.  The purpose of the Laws of Moses is Holiness.  

Short Video:  "God's Holiness."

Law was given while the Hebrews were in the Wilderness.  They were a Holy people.  A society outside of other hierarchies of authority.  God was their King. Given they did not worship other gods, and kept The Law, and were obedient to God, they would have been perfect and blessed.  

Authority and Law

In the Book of Judges, Israel is different from other nations.  Other nations had Kings.  Israel had no Kings.  God was their King.  Given someone were to point out various things in The Laws of Moses they question, many of those things were associated with Paganism and worship of other gods, much of which has been secularized in someway today?  Given someone was engaged in some sort of sin, was it because of a weakness of character, or because they started worshiping a pagan false god?  God gave Moses Laws.  These Laws are associated with with Holiness and being close to God.  The Law and worship of God to Israel was a form of Patriotism.  God Almighty is God of Israel, Isaac, and Jacob, God of their ancestors, God of Moses.  Worshiping something else would make someone less of an Israelite?  

In following directions, the Hebrew people would be giving authority to God, and accepting God's Spirit.  Identity is associated with The Soul.  How does someone identify themselves?  As a child of God or something else?  The Laws of Moses establish a system of law and order.  Given the Hebrews followed directions, they were blessed.  

In the New Testament, Jesus establishes The Body of Christ.  What is The Body of Christ?  Some are the feet, some the hands, some the eyes, some the nose, some the mouth.  Some are Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, and Evangelists.  Everyone has a function in The Body.  We are a society of believers. An organic society.  Israel in the Wilderness, or later in the Book of Judges, was a Society of Believers.  Sin and idolatry is like a cancer or possibly a festering wound.  If your left hand causes you to sin, cut it off.  Given your eye causes you to sin, pull it out. This is similar in theme to The Laws of Moses.  Jesus Christ is The Lord.  He couldn't contradict other Prophets.  The Bible is The Word of God, Word connotes honor and integrity.  

Israel didn't follow direction 100% in the Promised Land.  Various forms of idolatry and sin came into their Body.  Did they cut it off, or allow it to grow or fester?  Whose authority were they under?  

In the Book of Judges, neighboring peoples would oppress the people of Israel during times of idolatry.  People would cry out to God for help.  God would send them a Judge.  Did the people repent?  

Chaos and Order

A man is a freshmen in High School, and it is August.  He signed up to play High School football.  He is new to football.  He doesn't know the rules very well, or how the game works.  The first few weeks may seem choatic.  On the football field, things are moving fast, and he doesn't know how to react. The coaches work to breakdown various aspects of the game in drills.  As the freshmen drills, he develops muscle memories.  He develops mental toughness.  In a scrimage, after several weeks, after the ball is snaped, there may be some chaos as he doesn't quite know what to expect.  Due to various drills and a lot of practice, he becomes good at reacting.  He lives in the moment.  

On a battlefield, there may be chaos as in the unexpected.  A lot of horrible things may happen.  Soldiers prepping themselves for war often drill a variety of scenarios.  They develop mental toughness.  Given a mortar round is fired at them, they may know how to react by instinct because they drilled something.  Men who have drilled, and then experienced war, may not find it as chaotic.  A order of things may develop over time, or they get used to loud noises  and unpleasant things and experiences that may make others fearful or even cry.  Chaos, in man's perspective, is a variety of unknown factors.  Faith is a knowledgeable dependence.  

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4Then the Lord sent a great wind on the sea, and such a violent storm arose that the ship threatened to break up. 5 All the sailors were afraid and each cried out to his own god. And they threw the cargo into the sea to lighten the ship. But Jonah had gone below deck, where he lay down and fell into a deep sleep. 6 The captain went to him and said, “How can you sleep? Get up and call on your god! Maybe he will take notice of us so that we will not perish.” (Jonah 1:5-6)
 

Jonah, at the time of Jonah 1:5-6 was a called Prophet.  Jonah had grown in faith and knew something about Faith and God.  Everyone else was fearful and afraid.  Jonah was sleeping at the bottom of the ship.  Jonah had been conditioned?  Jonah had learned to trust God?  
A Soldier used to war may be conditioned towards dealing or experiencing the chaos of war.  Having Faith in God and knowledge of God is on another level.  

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Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping.
The disciples went and woke him, saying, "Lord, save us! We're going to drown!"
He replied, "You of little faith, why are you so afraid?" Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. (Matthew 8:24-26)

 

Jesus shows a similar character in the New testament.  Someone growing in Faith experienced trials experienced conditioning.  He has Trust in God.  Faith is a knowledgeable dependence.  

Order and Chaos are not necessarily the best ways to take about God.  There is a lot more to it.  

Chaos and Order: Summing It Up

Dr. Peterson talks about Hierarchies of Authority.  A Hierarchy of Authority may be a CEO, District Manager, Manager - Commander and Chief, General, Colonel, Captain - Pope, Bishop, Priest.  These are all Hierarchies of Authority.  Whose will or authority be done?  Man's will?  Something else's will?  God's will?  In general, chaos, or what has been perceived as chaos, occurs due to man's disobedience.....and he was filthy, and rejected good things and righteousness.  

In seeking God, trying to view him or talking about him in terms of Chaos and Order may not be quite right.  It is an interesting topic to discuss, but it may not be the best way to go about revealing God.  Christians are Children of the Light and not the darkness. (Ephesians 5:8)  Jesus Christ is The Light of the World.  Dr. Jordan Peterson brings up a lot of interesting topics that may be helpful in leading people to knowledge of God.  

 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Manonfire63