CaritateDei Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2007 Well as far as the OP is concerned, all it has done is caused some unfriendly communication between members of Worthy and as we live in a reaL world and not hypothetical one. the answer is a hypthetic no-contest and should have been posted in one of the non-doctrinal forums such as fellowship hall JMHO. On the contrary, Eric, this thread has done exactly what I was trying to illustrate in other threads, namely that it is people, not the Holy Spirit, that fractionalizes opposing views. The Holy Spirit will never lead to the divisiveness we have seen within the bretheren within this post. To take a hypothetical post, devoid of any religious trappings, and derive some of the posts that we have been treated to in this thread is a perfect example of how Satan comes in and immediately tries to twist around what God has said. The devil uses Christians who don't even know they are being used of the devil to accomplish his nefarious plans and get the brothers and sisters in Christ arguing over points that have no relevance whatsoever to the original message. Such is the stuff that demoninations are made of. Now that actually made me laugh out loud. OF COURSE ITS PEOPLE THAT FRACTIONALIZE THE CHURCH! NO ONE EVER SAID IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT. I mean, c'mon, phil, that's a ludicrous accusation. Every poster was pointing out to you how man screws things up even though the Holy Spirit remains true. If anyone did not seem to understand that, it was YOU. Glad to see you finally figured it out. Double Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Well as far as the OP is concerned, all it has done is caused some unfriendly communication between members of Worthy and as we live in a reaL world and not hypothetical one. the answer is a hypthetic no-contest and should have been posted in one of the non-doctrinal forums such as fellowship hall JMHO. On the contrary, Eric, this thread has done exactly what I was trying to illustrate in other threads, namely that it is people, not the Holy Spirit, that fractionalizes opposing views. The Holy Spirit will never lead to the divisiveness we have seen within the bretheren within this post. To take a hypothetical post, devoid of any religious trappings, and derive some of the posts that we have been treated to in this thread is a perfect example of how Satan comes in and immediately tries to twist around what God has said. The devil uses Christians who don't even know they are being used of the devil to accomplish his nefarious plans and get the brothers and sisters in Christ arguing over points that have no relevance whatsoever to the original message. Such is the stuff that demoninations are made of. And Eric, lest we forget, this wasn't really a hypothetical situation, but the situation that the original Apostles faced every day. I presented it as an hypothetical situation so that no dogmas or traditions would be assumed to exist. This whole exercise has been an eye-opener into how the devil plays and preys on Christians, making them do and say things that God would never have them do or say. Guess we're not as immune to the old devil as we might think we are, huh? No, it was not a situation the apostles faced. As I pointed out already, the apostles are the polar opposite of your hypothetical situation. You claim you are offering a hypothetical situation, but then claiming it is exactly the position the apostles were which is simply not true. 1. If this were true, then the situation would no longer be hypothetical. 2. It is not true anyway, simply because just by looking at the lives of Paul and Peter we can see quite opposite occurring. The apostles were the antithesis of your hypothetical situation. To make a sweeping over generalization and blaming denomination differences and distinctives on the devils is a bit presumptuous on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted March 27, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2007 Well as far as the OP is concerned, all it has done is caused some unfriendly communication between members of Worthy and as we live in a reaL world and not hypothetical one. the answer is a hypthetic no-contest and should have been posted in one of the non-doctrinal forums such as fellowship hall JMHO. On the contrary, Eric, this thread has done exactly what I was trying to illustrate in other threads, namely that it is people, not the Holy Spirit, that fractionalizes opposing views. The Holy Spirit will never lead to the divisiveness we have seen within the bretheren within this post. To take a hypothetical post, devoid of any religious trappings, and derive some of the posts that we have been treated to in this thread is a perfect example of how Satan comes in and immediately tries to twist around what God has said. The devil uses Christians who don't even know they are being used of the devil to accomplish his nefarious plans and get the brothers and sisters in Christ arguing over points that have no relevance whatsoever to the original message. Such is the stuff that demoninations are made of. And Eric, lest we forget, this wasn't really a hypothetical situation, but the situation that the original Apostles faced every day. I presented it as an hypothetical situation so that no dogmas or traditions would be assumed to exist. This whole exercise has been an eye-opener into how the devil plays and preys on Christians, making them do and say things that God would never have them do or say. Guess we're not as immune to the old devil as we might think we are, huh? No, it was not a situation the apostles faced. As I pointed out already, the apostles are the polar opposite of your hypothetical situation. You claim you are offering a hypothetical situation, but then claiming it is exactly the position the apostles were which is simply not true. 1. If this were true, then the situation would no longer be hypothetical. 2. It is not true anyway, simply because just by looking at the lives of Paul and Peter we can see quite opposite occurring. The apostles were the antithesis of your hypothetical situation. To make a sweeping over generalization and blaming denomination differences and distinctives on the devils is a bit presumptuous on your part. Thats right. The apostles had tons of preconceived notions that Jesus was constantly trying to correct. That were not blank slates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted March 28, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2007 Well as far as the OP is concerned, all it has done is caused some unfriendly communication between members of Worthy and as we live in a reaL world and not hypothetical one. the answer is a hypthetic no-contest and should have been posted in one of the non-doctrinal forums such as fellowship hall JMHO. On the contrary, Eric, this thread has done exactly what I was trying to illustrate in other threads, namely that it is people, not the Holy Spirit, that fractionalizes opposing views. The Holy Spirit will never lead to the divisiveness we have seen within the bretheren within this post. To take a hypothetical post, devoid of any religious trappings, and derive some of the posts that we have been treated to in this thread is a perfect example of how Satan comes in and immediately tries to twist around what God has said. The devil uses Christians who don't even know they are being used of the devil to accomplish his nefarious plans and get the brothers and sisters in Christ arguing over points that have no relevance whatsoever to the original message. Such is the stuff that demoninations are made of. And Eric, lest we forget, this wasn't really a hypothetical situation, but the situation that the original Apostles faced every day. I presented it as an hypothetical situation so that no dogmas or traditions would be assumed to exist. This whole exercise has been an eye-opener into how the devil plays and preys on Christians, making them do and say things that God would never have them do or say. Guess we're not as immune to the old devil as we might think we are, huh? No, it was not a situation the apostles faced. As I pointed out already, the apostles are the polar opposite of your hypothetical situation. You claim you are offering a hypothetical situation, but then claiming it is exactly the position the apostles were which is simply not true. 1. If this were true, then the situation would no longer be hypothetical. 2. It is not true anyway, simply because just by looking at the lives of Paul and Peter we can see quite opposite occurring. The apostles were the antithesis of your hypothetical situation. To make a sweeping over generalization and blaming denomination differences and distinctives on the devils is a bit presumptuous on your part. Thats right. The apostles had tons of preconceived notions that Jesus was constantly trying to correct. That were not blank slates Exactly. Not to mention that they studied under the Master for 3 years before being sent out to evangelize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted March 28, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2007 I thought the hypothetical takes place after they received the HS and not before? Did i miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I thought the hypothetical takes place after they received the HS and not before? Did i miss something? Yeah, you missed a lot. The missionaries in the hypothetical situation have no theological training and are have no prior religious instruction of any kind. All they have is a Bible and the Holy Spirit. As such, the OP is trying to represent this as the method/situation of the apostles, that they were not corrupted by any "human teachings" or theological training. He is trying to call us back to that type of situation. The problem is that his hypothetical missionaries in no way resemble the apostles or their methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questions4u Posted March 28, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/01/1985 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Consider the following situation Two missionaries, totally unfamiliar with each other, plan to preach and teach the Word of God along the banks of the Amazon river in Brazil. One takes the left bank and one takes the right bank but neither is aware of the missionary on the opposite bank. These two brave souls have no denominational ties of any sort, hence they are completely free of all the doctrines and traditions of men. All they have is the Word of God and the Holy Spirit. They are both totally dependant on the Holy Spirit to understand the Word of God since neither of them has a theological background. They are totally on their own and totally unaware of each other. Their only teacher is the Holy Spirit which teaches both equally throughout their long journey up the Amazon. These two missionaries continue up the Amazon to the very headwaters of the mighty Amazon only to find that the headwaters of the Amazon is nothing but a small stream at this point. Both missionaries stay on their respective banks without ever crossing and thereby run the risk of meeting each other. Finally, they come to a tribe that freely hunts and lives on both banks of the Amazon headwaters. The left bank missionary as well as the right bank missonary continue to teach the Word of God to the members of this tribe, each thinking that they are the only missionary teaching the members of this tribe. What would be the outcome of these two separate teaching styles, one from the left bank missionary and one from the right bank missionary on this tribe that is common to both banks of the river? Remember, both missionaries were guided solely by the Holy Spirit and had only the Word of God to teach from and both are totally lacking in any of the doctrines and traditions of any denomination. When the tribal people began to compare notes on what the two missionaries taught, would there be two distinct versions of the Word of God taught, the left bank version and the right bank version, or would both versions be identical? the missionaries teachings would be the exact same. but the tribe would break apart and form their own opinions on what the scripture meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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