Douay Posted May 10, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 287 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 39 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/09/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2004 I fail to understand why we think that Christians humbly praying to the Lord could not be given protection. Furthermore, if we are to think that every vision of Mary and/or Jesus to occur in the last 2000 years was Satan, why should we think that the originals weren't also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted May 10, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted May 10, 2004 I don't think we are discounting God's ability to save His people from certain peril. We are questioning whether devotion to a certain religious practice instituted of men will do so. God's way is not the way of religious ritual or rite, but I am sure you would disagree with me on that. I think it's a shame that the RCC didn't heed to warning of the iconoclasts and, in fact, rejected them as heretics. Joseph Smith claimed that God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him personally. He also claimed that an angel visited him and told him to find the golden tablets upon were written the history of God's people (the lost tribe of Israel) in the Americas. How do you discern that this was not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholas Posted May 10, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 250 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2004 God's way is not the way of religious ritual or rite Before Jesus, was God's way not Jewish way? So God's way is of rituals and rites. Did God change or did he just complete his way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted May 10, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted May 10, 2004 All those practices were shadows of the reality of Christ. Because of His death and resurrection, Christ has become the minister of a new and better covenant The shadows are done away with in Christ. Read the book of Hebrews sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholas Posted May 11, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 250 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hebrews, now that is why I'm confused. I haven't read that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted May 11, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hebrews, now that is why I'm confused. I haven't read that one. Wow. Then I definately suggest reading it. I'll give you some verses to consider tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 All those practices were shadows of the reality of Christ. Because of His death and resurrection, Christ has become the minister of a new and better covenant The shadows are done away with in Christ. Read the book of Hebrews sometime. Actually, these things were to teach that there is but ONE way to God....and He decides what it is. But these so-called rituals were always of a freewill. First, one had to bring the sin offering or none of the other offerings would count. there was a prescribed order to follow because each step taught a different lesson....and went a little deeper into the relationship with God. This was necessary because the Holy Spirit did not indwell permanently before it was given after the cross. Each "ritual" was a reminder of something that was too important to be forgotten. yet even in all of this, God only accepted what was done in faith. SEVEN times in the Old Testament the Lord spoke of circumcising your heart.... These "rituals" were all understood to be object lessons of something much deeper even then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholas Posted May 11, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 250 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2004 sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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