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I would also ask yourself, other than your lust for this women is there anything else as strong and powerful about her that you can't live without. Because if lust for her sexually is your only form of attraction or even the major one, then be very careful! Try and grow in the other areas that attract you two (hopefully there's several of them)

Honestly I was not trying to make you out to be a bad guy, I was more warning you on how you stated your position strongly. I have come across strongly before, and have caused more harm then good. I was trying to help, and in my first post, just make a counter point that open rebellion was not necessarily part of suicide. I like a good debate, I just prefer it to be a reasoned one. As for being friends, yes, we can. I rather wanted to deal with this on pm but you are to new to use it yet! I also don't mind dialogue, and I thought it was "reasoned" you gave me your reasons and I gave you mine. Jesus came across strongly at times. Have you ever came across strong to one of your kids (if you have any) Sometimes it is a necessary part of love. And we musn't get offended, because remember love is not easily offended(1 Cor 13) but then again love does not provoke neither Anyway I'm glad we can be friends. And sorry if I came off as rude cause that's not my heart.

Your making me out to be the bad guy simply because this is a serious issue and I'm emphatically stating my position. Don't look at the sarcasm look at the point I'm trying to make. I don't believe hope trumps truth and we don't need to twist the gospel to give out false hope to everyone who commits suicide just because they went to church at some point in their life or were nice people. Maybe just maybe, we'd have less suicides if every minister at a funeral of one who committed suicide would warn of hell instead of saying "there in a better place now", I don't know just maybe. If I was a Pastor it would be a very hard thing to do, but I would'nt want our Pastor's compromising the truth just to offer some "hope." Yes I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but can we still be friends?

You say you dont know for a fact yet then you say should we withold the truth. Isn't truth a fact? Someone who just happens to freakishly die while there having a fight is way different than one who decides his own fate! That's a gamble I don't wish anyone to take. Our overall walk should be progressing in Him., not getting further from Him! Paul said he llearned to be content in all things, whether in plenty or in want. Our circumstances are not to dictate our actions but our relationship with Him should. I have sympathy for those who want to commit suicide, I myself have been tempted before, yet comparing our sin to one who commits suicide I believe is like comparing apples to onions. Though thee outward man is perishing(not because of suicide) the inward man is being renewed day by day. Yeah come to Jesus where you don't have to change, just accept his grace and then pop yourself so you can get to heaven faster. I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all but that's bascically what it sounds like. At some point the Lord draws the line, and most of us here don't know exactly when that may be. But you better believe there's a line. Once your saved your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life, yet He warns a church in Rev. to shape up or He'll blot your name out of the Lamb's book of Life. THERE IS A LINE

The Word also tells us that "He wouldn't give us more than we could handle" Is that a lie or contradiction? Someone who commits suicide didn't slip into sin instantly. It had to have been a slow, degenerative process.(back-slidden) not even back-sliding, there's a difference. If God is not going to give us more than we can handle, then the only other explanation is God was not in that individuals life, or one was simply rebelling and turning their backs on His voice. Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. God knows those whom are His, and if we love Him we will obey His commandments. That does not mean we will walk in perfection, if we stumble we have an advocate, yet there's a difference in stumbling and down right rejection of who God is. Not saying I have the whole truth on the topic, it's just my current take. Please don't judge me as harsh, I'd love to soften God's judgement down to allow everyone into heaven. Well just about everyone.lol. Is it possible that grace and easy salvation can and does sometimes get expanded beyond their limits? Does that ever happen???