Jwalker
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Titus 1:6-9 6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless-- not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
Someone who is involved in willful, habitual sin such as the homosexual lifestyle is not blameless, does not know what is good, is not self-controlled, upright, holy or disciplined. The requirements for leadership are laid out very clearly in 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus as well as other places and none of those requirements would allow an openly practicing gay person to be a leader. Saying that someone has anger in their heart because they oppose a homosexual being in a leadership position within the church is inacurate and it is false. One cannot openly and chronically practice sins such as homosexuality, adultery, theft, lying, etc. and have any effectiveness, credibility or integrity as a leader, not to mention the fact that they are setting an extremely bad example for the rest of the flock. The Bible is extremely clear on this issue, so I always have to ask why some groups are constantly attempting to overlook and override clear biblical directives on the subject.
Colbalt, who is blameless!? and just because you are a homosexual doesnt mean you are practicing! you look at women with lust, but you dont chase after them. people do not understand the leaders of the church are full of sin too, they just are suppost to be able to deal with them correctly! dont be blind to people and sin, please!!
Allow me to ask you a few questions Jwalker. When I accepted Christ as my savior and HE created a new creation in me, am I still the old man I was or am I a new creation? Am I still the drug addict doing whatever I had to do to survive or am I now a child of God? Have you forgotten what scripture tells us? Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west ,So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
We are no longer who we were. We no longer live in the world as the world lives. Though I can relate to those who are living in the same lifestyle I was in, I am no longer a drug addict. I AM a child of God. Until people can accept this, which is all through scripture, they will continue to see themselves as who they were, not who they are in Him.
onelight i think you misunderstood me, i agree with you. you are a new person. thats what i am trying to say, if a priest is fighting his homosexual tendancies and has NEVER commited and crimes (for you guys who want to complain about a preist who struggles with shoplifting) He is just as clean as the next saved soul. He has not done anything to be disbanded! right?
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Titus 1:6-9 6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless-- not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
Someone who is involved in willful, habitual sin such as the homosexual lifestyle is not blameless, does not know what is good, is not self-controlled, upright, holy or disciplined. The requirements for leadership are laid out very clearly in 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus as well as other places and none of those requirements would allow an openly practicing gay person to be a leader. Saying that someone has anger in their heart because they oppose a homosexual being in a leadership position within the church is inacurate and it is false. One cannot openly and chronically practice sins such as homosexuality, adultery, theft, lying, etc. and have any effectiveness, credibility or integrity as a leader, not to mention the fact that they are setting an extremely bad example for the rest of the flock. The Bible is extremely clear on this issue, so I always have to ask why some groups are constantly attempting to overlook and override clear biblical directives on the subject.
Colbalt, who is blameless!? and just because you are a homosexual doesnt mean you are practicing! you look at women with lust, but you dont chase after them. people do not understand the leaders of the church are full of sin too, they just are suppost to be able to deal with them correctly! dont be blind to people and sin, please!!
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What would you say about your pastor if he was constantly getting arrested for shoplifting?
Would you still consider him an authority figure within the church if he stepped out on his wife and openly committed adultry on a daily basis?
What about lying and stealing? What if he took what was given to the church and spent it at a strip club?
If he confessed that he had these urges and wasn't quite over them yet, but he was working on them, would you still consider him an authority figure within your congregation?
of course if a person is to be continuing to sin and persueing that life then it is wrong, like i said, if they are gay and are doing what they need to keep from sinning then he is no different then you and me!
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I understand that gay priests are starting to pop up in churches ever so slowly, BUT why is it wrong? I disagree with homosexual acts but it is a sin just as lying and stealing. i do believe the bible says if you have anger torward another person you have murdered in your heart...is that not just as bad?! I fell if the priest understands he needs to fight it and keeps trying to get help for it ,he is just as we are, sinners in a world who needs god!
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I fail to see the humor in this. Racial slurs are just wrong.
these so called "racial slurs" are how they keep doing what they do! reverse racism is strong in this world. this has nothing to do with race, just brain power!
Perhaps if Hitler felt the same way about the Jews...
Oh wait...
the first post by wyguy had no racial properites! you brought them in...he didnt say the southern border or northern border or even what type of illegal! he said illegal! so illegal alien is ok but illegal crime isnt? its EVERY illegal not just spanish or non spanish! get of the racial thinking!!! wow!
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I fail to see the humor in this. Racial slurs are just wrong.
these so called "racial slurs" are how they keep doing what they do! reverse racism is strong in this world. this has nothing to do with race, just brain power!
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oh yes! how are we to protect this country when we cant even keep our boarders closed!
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Ive been having alot of dreams after I been born again. This is one that I really dont believe i will ever forget. I dont know where it comes from but they do mean something.
I was with a tribe in a cave and the tribe leader and a kid came up to me while i was sitting on my knees. The tribe leader started to paint me with blue, red, black, yellow and green. if the tribe leader started to move to another spot to paint the kid would move without even communicating, like the kid knew what the tribe leader was going to do and followed. As they where painting me i was singing a song "holy, holy, holy" but it wasnt those words but how i remember it is that. one image they painted was an arm holding a flame in the middle of my chest and the arm was painted blue. while painting me the leader said "for two hours the spirit and the body will be one" and when they finished they left out of a beaded door with a snow capped mountian on it and out of the cave.
Like i said i do understand i have to be very careful with dreams and what they might mean, but i figured id share a couple starting with this one.
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It is indeed very hard to find a good church these days. So many churches have gone "purpose driven," "emergent" and "seeker-sensitive." And thanks to people like Glenn Beck and Jim Wallis, there is now a huge movement to hold hands with other religions and cults and sing "Kumbaya."
I think the great "falling away" has now turned into an avalanche.
Amen on that! I can only Pray Glenn and Jim find that solid foundation known as Jesus!
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It seems everytime I look into a church there is something to be said about it.....why can we just learn and preach the bible!
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Wy... if you think that lurker is unsaved, then witness to him! I'm not so sure that having a liberal (non-inerrant, non-literal) interpretation of the bible renders him unsaved. But either way... we can expose errant interpretation and theology without resorting to this level. Lurker isn't the only one reading this thread.
yup, this is what im talking about in my thread....but i kinda understand
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Let's talk about the Ark. This is always something I've had trouble taking literally but there must be some way to do it.
I'm interested in hearing about the logistics involved in keeping seven individuals of every terrestial animal species on a wooden boat for 150 days. Space, food, waste, water. How would it work? And were any of the dinosaurs on board?
Who is to say that every animal we have now is the same amount they had back then. im sure with time things have changed.
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At work, one of my coworkers was wearing a T-shirt with 666 on the back and written across was 'Friends and Family Forever'. Can there be anything more foolish?
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because the desire to do your old habits go away, doesnt mean they wont come back to haunt you. you stopped getting high, but the ability and the option is still going to presented to you. its up to you to continue to walk right.