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So you would ask them to leave, even if they only came for the fellowship and not as for the Sabbath? We probably wouldn't ask them to leave. I was just assuming from your question that they would want to leave us.

Interesting. Can you show me one example where Jesus showed that following the spirit of the law breaks the letter of the law? You are correct in that Constantine did not make the change of day. The Roman Catholic Church did it. Just check to see what they say about the Christian "sabbath." Catholic Encyclopedia "Sunday"

Shalom Biblicist, I took some time to respond to your post for it could be read on several different layers and mean different things. First, I guess you mean that honoring the Sabbath as "such a thing" and that you don't see that as an important issue. Secondly, you seem to think that people holding convictions about their Biblical beliefs is a bad thing. Thirdly, you seem to be saying that because a group of people wish to stand upon their Biblical beliefs and others have different beliefs and wish to have the freedom to do the same, that this somehow "separates" the Body of Messiah. Personally, I disagree with all three 1) I believe observing the Sabbath is an important issue and one that is too often forsaken. 2) I believe that when the L-rd convicts you of something and tells you to do it, you'd better do it, whether anyone else agrees or not! As long as the Bible supports it. 3) If there are groups of people that have the same conviction about the Sabbath and wish to gather together and there are groups of people who don't share that conviction and don't wish to join in, they are STILL part of the same Body, just wearing different shoes. No harm, no foul. Happy Sabbath, Vickilynn!

How you answer these Scriptures? Rom 14:5-8 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. NKJV Gal 4:9-11 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain. NKJV Col 2:16 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, NKJV Love Steven I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but concerning the Romans passage, if you can ignore the Sabbath commandment without a guilty conscience, that's your decision. The Romans passage is really talking about is relying on works for salvation. The same with your Galations quote. If we are doing something to get or to keep our salvation, then we have forgotten grace. As for the Colossians passage, I'm not judging you regarding these things. Are you judging me? Not me. I agree with your grace example. I also believe that because of it, we no longer live under the law, and as you correctly state, if we are doing something to get or keep our salvation, we have forgotten Grace. So my question to you would be (out of interest, nothing more), Why then observe the sabbath on a Saturday? To mearly assuage our conscience if it has nothing to do with our salvation? Its really not a matter of my conscience so much as a matter of conviction. You might just as easily ask me why I don't worship idols or why I don't commit adultary. It is also a matter of love. I choose to obey God, as much as I am humanly able, because I love Him. Realizing that I'm humanly unable to obey Him perfectly, I rely on His grace through the shed blood of His Son. So not observing the sabbath on a Saturday is akin to committing the sins of idol worship or adultery? If we have broken one commandment, we are guilty of breaking the whole law. Oh my, I really didn't want to go here.... What part of the law promised salvation and eternal life??? The very question I was leading up to, all be it by a more tortuous route....But SDB is new here and I wanted to get my head around his doctrine As I said in my introduction, we teach salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Period. We observe Sabbath because we love God. Just as we keep sexually pure because we love Him. Just as we honor our parents because we love them as well as we love God. Just as we respect the property of others out of respect for them and love for God. Jesus addressed all 10 of the 10 Commandments. He addressed 9 of them directly. He addressed the Sabbath in His life. His only problem with the Sabbath was the burdens that were placed on it by the religious leaders of the day.

How you answer these Scriptures? Rom 14:5-8 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. NKJV Gal 4:9-11 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain. NKJV Col 2:16 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, NKJV Love Steven I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but concerning the Romans passage, if you can ignore the Sabbath commandment without a guilty conscience, that's your decision. The Romans passage is really talking about is relying on works for salvation. The same with your Galations quote. If we are doing something to get or to keep our salvation, then we have forgotten grace. As for the Colossians passage, I'm not judging you regarding these things. Are you judging me? Not me. I agree with your grace example. I also believe that because of it, we no longer live under the law, and as you correctly state, if we are doing something to get or keep our salvation, we have forgotten Grace. So my question to you would be (out of interest, nothing more), Why then observe the sabbath on a Saturday? To mearly assuage our conscience if it has nothing to do with our salvation? Its really not a matter of my conscience so much as a matter of conviction. You might just as easily ask me why I don't worship idols or why I don't commit adultary. It is also a matter of love. I choose to obey God, as much as I am humanly able, because I love Him. Realizing that I'm humanly unable to obey Him perfectly, I rely on His grace through the shed blood of His Son. So not observing the sabbath on a Saturday is akin to committing the sins of idol worship or adultery? If we have broken one commandment, we are guilty of breaking the whole law. So I take it your answer is yes? Disobedience is disobedience. Rebellion is rebellion. Yes is yes, and no is no.

i have a question and just out of curiosity what would be the reaction of a SDB church if a member said they will practice the sabbath on another day? While we always are saddened when someone we love leaves our fold, we still love them and wish them God's blessing.

I would hope that no one here would tell you that your worship times are not correct as well as i would hope that you wouldn't tell us that we are wrong for meeting on Sunday.. This is a good example of love your neighbor as yourself and I view as seeking peace in Christ. The sabbath is the seventh day, and the first day is sunday. I worship everyday and seek the place of rest God has provided lf I may be found worthy. Well, it might surprise you to know that I also think the sabbath is on saturday...... but I do group worship on Wednesdays and Sundays because group worshiping has really nothing to do with the sabbath and the rest we're supposed to be doing. Church is a lot of work for a lot of people and though it's worth the effort in so many ways, it is not the sabbath that we are supposed remember commandment. But I'm sure that statement would carry out to another 500 post thread should everyone decide to take it up and I'm just not up to it myself. BTW since the resurection of Christ, the sabbath is a way of life...... not a day of worship... he wants your whole life: body mind and soul, 24/7/365.25 and not one day a week. Actually, the Sabbath is one of the convocations (solemn meetings) defined in Leviticus. And if church is a lot of work for you, you might possibly need to see where your focus is. Church can be a lot of work when you place your focus on yourself. As long as we are living in these physical bodies, we will need a sabbath day. The physical rest points us toward our ultimate physical in Jesus.

Sadly, it can be difficult to find a Sabbath-observing group that hasn't tacked on a lot of unnecessary doctrinal baggage. But you can worship with a compatible Sunday group and still observe Sabbath on Saturday.

How you answer these Scriptures? Rom 14:5-8 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. NKJV Gal 4:9-11 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain. NKJV Col 2:16 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, NKJV Love Steven I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but concerning the Romans passage, if you can ignore the Sabbath commandment without a guilty conscience, that's your decision. The Romans passage is really talking about is relying on works for salvation. The same with your Galations quote. If we are doing something to get or to keep our salvation, then we have forgotten grace. As for the Colossians passage, I'm not judging you regarding these things. Are you judging me? Not me. I agree with your grace example. I also believe that because of it, we no longer live under the law, and as you correctly state, if we are doing something to get or keep our salvation, we have forgotten Grace. So my question to you would be (out of interest, nothing more), Why then observe the sabbath on a Saturday? To mearly assuage our conscience if it has nothing to do with our salvation? Its really not a matter of my conscience so much as a matter of conviction. You might just as easily ask me why I don't worship idols or why I don't commit adultary. It is also a matter of love. I choose to obey God, as much as I am humanly able, because I love Him. Realizing that I'm humanly unable to obey Him perfectly, I rely on His grace through the shed blood of His Son. So not observing the sabbath on a Saturday is akin to committing the sins of idol worship or adultery? If we have broken one commandment, we are guilty of breaking the whole law. Oh my, I really didn't want to go here.... What part of the law promised salvation and eternal life??? Where did I say that the law promises salvation and eternal life? Quite the contrary. The law points us to Jesus Christ. The law shows us that we are unable to live up to God's standard. The blood of Christ cleanses us from unrighteousness when we confess our sins to Him. Now, if the law is void, then where is the sin? We are not under the law, but that doesn't nullify God's standards.

How you answer these Scriptures? Rom 14:5-8 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. NKJV Gal 4:9-11 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain. NKJV Col 2:16 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, NKJV Love Steven I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but concerning the Romans passage, if you can ignore the Sabbath commandment without a guilty conscience, that's your decision. The Romans passage is really talking about is relying on works for salvation. The same with your Galations quote. If we are doing something to get or to keep our salvation, then we have forgotten grace. As for the Colossians passage, I'm not judging you regarding these things. Are you judging me? Not me. I agree with your grace example. I also believe that because of it, we no longer live under the law, and as you correctly state, if we are doing something to get or keep our salvation, we have forgotten Grace. So my question to you would be (out of interest, nothing more), Why then observe the sabbath on a Saturday? To mearly assuage our conscience if it has nothing to do with our salvation? Its really not a matter of my conscience so much as a matter of conviction. You might just as easily ask me why I don't worship idols or why I don't commit adultary. It is also a matter of love. I choose to obey God, as much as I am humanly able, because I love Him. Realizing that I'm humanly unable to obey Him perfectly, I rely on His grace through the shed blood of His Son. So not observing the sabbath on a Saturday is akin to committing the sins of idol worship or adultery? If we have broken one commandment, we are guilty of breaking the whole law.

How you answer these Scriptures? Rom 14:5-8 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. NKJV Gal 4:9-11 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain. NKJV Col 2:16 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, NKJV Love Steven I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but concerning the Romans passage, if you can ignore the Sabbath commandment without a guilty conscience, that's your decision. The Romans passage is really talking about is relying on works for salvation. The same with your Galations quote. If we are doing something to get or to keep our salvation, then we have forgotten grace. As for the Colossians passage, I'm not judging you regarding these things. Are you judging me? Not me. I agree with your grace example. I also believe that because of it, we no longer live under the law, and as you correctly state, if we are doing something to get or keep our salvation, we have forgotten Grace. So my question to you would be (out of interest, nothing more), Why then observe the sabbath on a Saturday? To mearly assuage our conscience if it has nothing to do with our salvation? Its really not a matter of my conscience so much as a matter of conviction. You might just as easily ask me why I don't worship idols or why I don't commit adultary. It is also a matter of love. I choose to obey God, as much as I am humanly able, because I love Him. Realizing that I'm humanly unable to obey Him perfectly, I rely on His grace through the shed blood of His Son.

I would hope that no one here would tell you that your worship times are not correct as well as i would hope that you wouldn't tell us that we are wrong for meeting on Sunday.. I would never condemn anyone for meeting with others to worship God, regardless of the day.

How you answer these Scriptures? Rom 14:5-8 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. NKJV Gal 4:9-11 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain. NKJV Col 2:16 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, NKJV Love Steven I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but concerning the Romans passage, if you can ignore the Sabbath commandment without a guilty conscience, that's your decision. The Romans passage is really talking about is relying on works for salvation. The same with your Galations quote. If we are doing something to get or to keep our salvation, then we have forgotten grace. As for the Colossians passage, I'm not judging you regarding these things. Are you judging me?

I think a lot of people forget about the repentance. They say a prayer and think all is good, not knowing that there should now be a change in their lives. Or manbe its a failure on the part of the church. Perhaps we don't mention repentance enough.

I'm a Seventh Day Baptist. In case you didn't see the word it is BAPTIST! I joined this forum because I saw that some had asked about us. I was born to a SDB family but when I got older I did a lot of studying because I wanted to be sure that if I was going to be different from mainstream Christianity, I wanted to know why. We teach that grace through faith in Jesus is the only way to salvation. We observe Saturday as Sabbath because we see no authorization for a day change in the Bible. We believe that what God has made holy cannot be made unholy. We are christians 24-7, but we meet together for formal worship on Saturday.