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Revelation 14:9-11 are both physical and spiritual The mark of the beast will be literally, physical, upon this earth The lake of fire and eternal torment of the Wicked is in the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity

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For The 4th Time The Claim Is "False" Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of "All" the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim 1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return (Destroyed Them All) Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End) John 5:28-29KJV 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.  Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above John 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Will you now deny (He Shall Be Tormented With Fire And Brimstone) and apply the "False" Ellen G. White 7th Day Adventist teaching of it's only their smoke that's tormented, because their Annihilated and Don't exist, Smiles! Revelation 14:9-11KJV 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Your statement made above is way outside Christian orthodoxy, the righteous dead will never be in hell as is falsely claimed above, "Sad"!

The exact belief and teaching of Ellen G. White and 7th day Adventist Annihilationism = Ceasing To Exist The Bible clearly teaches of conscious eternal punishment of the unsaved

Of course it's the Lord's "Fire" as men are consumed by the Lord's fire as they stand upon their feet Zechariah 14:12 below on (The Day Of The Lord) Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Yes your false teaching that those in "Hell" will have a second chance to be saved during your fairy tail Millennial Kingdom on this earth is " A Joke"!

Like Ellen G. White and 7th day Adventism, Smiles!

My statement is a fact, Zionism and Christian Zionism are false teachings, simple, clear, and to the point, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth "Dream On"! God is no respector of persons Romans 2:11KJV 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Annihilationism is a False teaching of Ellen G. White founder of 7th day Adventism The unsaved wicked will suffer eternal conscious torment in the lake of fire

You skipped my response above as if it were a "Plague" Why?

Literal Isaiah 66:24KJV 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Revelation 22:14-15KJV 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 14:9-11KJV 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Annihilationism is a False teaching of Ellen G. White founder of 7th day Adventism The unsaved wicked will suffer eternal conscious torment in the lake of fire

I Disagree The resurrection and glorified immortal body will be received at the second coming of Jesus on the last day in final judgement as 1 Corinthians Chapter 15 clearly teaches

I Disagree, your claim is way outside of Christian Orthodoxy IMHO, a first When a person dies their eternity is sealed, there is Hell for the unsaved and Abraham's bosom for the saved, both will be waiting upon the future last day final judgment at the second coming of Jesus, when the unsaved are judged to the Lake of Fire and the saved enter the eternal kingdom

We Have Covered This Already Yes I Will Continue To Believe That Ezekiel Chapters 47 & 48 Is "The Eternal Kingdom" Where The River And Tree Of Life Is Present, Where The Gates Of New Jerusalem Are Seen Bearing The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel, As Clearly Seen Below Seen In Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel (The Eternal Kingdom) Ezekiel 47:12KJV 12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine. (The Eternal Kingdom) Revelation 22:1-2KJV 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (The Eternal Kingdom) Eternal "New Jerusalem" Ezekiel 48:31KJV 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. Revelation 21:12KJV 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

I'm not asking for just a one verse response, a great start would be using "Smaller Font" consistently and not a "Novel", your response here is perfect, this board doesn't allow me to break your response up as many other Christian boards do Thanks again Jesus Is The Lord

You give no scripture reference in Ezekiel "Why"? The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is the 2nd Zerubabbel temple built in 536BC as my response above to Desopixi clearly shows The house seen in Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 is the eternal New Jerusalem in the NHNE as you have been shown several times My response to you is clear and concise using normal font and only consists of a couple small paragraphs Jesus Is The Lord

Your presentation of having 5 claims jumbled together in a "Novel Sized Response" isn't beneficial for my response, please present one claim, an explanation, and scripture in support, that's not asking much Do I shove 5 claims at you in a 30 paragraph response "No", this forum doesn't allow the ability to split your response up as many other Christian boards Thanks

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Represents A Future Temple In A Millennium On Earth, Is This True? As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV 10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them. 19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering. 20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it. 21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

Luke 16:19-31KJV 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I Disagree, we covered many of the claims made already Appreciate if you make one claim at a time for response, instead of presenting multiple claims on a "Novel Sized" response "One Claim At A Time" this will provide for focused responses and eliminate confusion 1.) Claim 2.) Explanation 3.) Supporting Scripture Thanks! Jesus Is The Lord

Isaiah 66:24KJV 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Revelation 22:14-15KJV 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 14:9-11KJV 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Joe it's my only conclusion that your suggesting Isaiah 65:20 seen below in a child dying at 100yrs old, you didn't give scripture reference to your claim The scripture screams in Isaiah 65:17 at the reader that the place seen is the New Heaven and Earth, then Isaiah 65:18 screams "rejoice forever" in that which I create "The New Creation" Joe Revelation 21:4 & Isaiah 65:17-19 are the very same "Parallel" teachings of the NewHeaven and Earth (Eternal State) (former things passed away) (no more weeping crying) Joe the infant dying at 100 years old is a figure of speech showing eternal, it's not literal dying as you suggest Ok pal your turning 100 yrs old at midnight, give everyone your last hugs goodbye? Jesus Is The Lord Revelation 21:4KJ 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Isaiah 65:17-20KJV 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.