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  1. Keras

    Philippines work

    Hi Debp, We just helped at Ruel for 2 months, while the Director was in NZ. We found it quite difficult, as it was for the hottest time of the year. We didn't get sick, but it was hard to do much physical work. We live in New Zealand and do what we can to further the Kingdom. My website; logostelos.info
  2. Keras

    2 Peter 3:10

    Peter tells the truth for our days: A letter to the peoples of God, scattered around the world: Praise to God and to our Lord Jesus for the hope of salvation and for the protection of His power. Be joyful, although you may have to suffer for a little while, as you pass through the assayers fire. Since Christ endured bodily suffering, you too must expect this judgement as the end of all days is upon us, but do not be taken aback by the fiery ordeal which has come to test you as though you did not know it was coming. All that has happened concerning Jesus, confirms for us the messages of the prophets, which you will all do well to take seriously. What they say has been given to us by the Holy Spirit and interpretation is by comparing scripture with scripture. Just as in the past there were false prophets and teachers, so it is now. Those who have misled My people will suffer dire punishment. Note this: In the last days scoffers will come, they will mock and say: ‘What happened to His promised coming? Nothing has changed as yet’. They forget how God destroyed all the wicked peoples in Noah’s day and now the world is reserved for burning and again the godless will be destroyed. The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath will come unexpectedly, with the heavens tearing apart, flames will envelope the earth and with a loud noise ALL the earth will be brought to judgement. In expectation of this, do your best to be found at peace with God. Friends: you have been warned, take care that you do not be taken in by wrong theories and false teachings, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be all the glory! Ref: R.E.Bible 1 & 2 Peter, condensed.
  3. Keras

    2 Peter 3:10

    Yes I am. When it is understood what the Lord will use on Hs Day of wrath and what area of the world will be most affected, then you would see how what is prophesied will happen. The world will go on and all that is prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns will happen. Many of the prophesies about the Lord's day of wrath, incl the Sixth Seal, say how people will be terrified and will take to the mountains and caves to hide. Note in 2 Peter3:7 , that it is the ungodly who will die, therefore the godly will live. Isaiah 66:17 In verse 10, the translators have made it seen as though nothing could survive, but we know most will, if they take cover for the daylight period. Isaiah 26:20-21 The sky will roll up like a scroll.....Revelation 6:14a, Isaiah 34:4, this will happen on the side of the earth facing the sun, as the earth rotates, the atmosphere will reform itself and it is only for the initial strike, that will hit the Middle East at mid day. Zephaniah 2:4 That area of the world will be virtually depopulated. Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +
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    2 Peter 3:10

    The Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, will not be an unexpected event. He will come, seen by all. exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the Anti-Christ. Revelation 11:3 It is the Sixth Seal , Day of the Lord's wrath, that will be unexpected by all. He is not seen on that day. Psalms 18:11 Habakkuk 3:4 Marilyn, you have it right, but for the wrong event! We Christians should know about this forthcoming Judgement/punishment of the wicked, as Paul says.
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    2 Peter 3:10

    All of 2 Peter 3:1-12 is about the next prophesied event we can expect; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. The earth will be enveloped in flames, as Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15, and 70 other prophesies tell us. But it isn't the end of all things, but the cleansing of the present world, in preparation for the later Return of Jesus. The new heavens and the new earth that Peter mentions in verse 13. will come about after the Millennium. Revelation 22:1-7 Most people will survive this terrible event and they will attribute it to a natural disaster. But we Christians will know that the Lord has done it, to change the world and set the stage for a One World Govt. But we Christians have another destiny, being His faithful people in His holy Land, His witnesses, and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27, Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16
  6. People who believe that most, if not all, the prophesies of the Old Testament have been fulfilled in the past or just ignore them, are those who prefer to not face the reality of a forthcoming, worldwide devastation by the Lord. The prophesies of this judgement/punishment onto the enemies of God, are very well described throughout the O.T. and are confirmed by the New Testament. In over 100 scripture passages, this terrifying event is vividly described as a devastating fire sent by God from the sun, that will literally fulfil all that is predicted about it. Some of the prophesies speak in an allegorical way about this event, Joel 2:1-11 is an example. But most say what will happen, in an unambiguous way, for example: Ezekiel 7:17… people will wet their pants in fright as they see what is coming. Isaiah 24:1 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth and scatter its inhabitants. Zephaniah 3:8 On the Day I accuse the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger. I will pour out My wrath upon the nations. 2 Peter 3:7 …the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, for the Day of Judgement and the destruction of the ungodly. Psalm 50:3 Our God is coming, with His consuming fire and raging storm… Nothing like that has happened to the world as yet, but what is so clearly described could and will happen; if we are to believe the Bible. Secular scientists are aware of this possibility of a massive explosion of the suns surface, a Coronal mass Ejection, in fact: they say there is a high probability of such an event and it could occur at any time. It is a mistake to think these prophesies and all the others that tell of this event, are past history, or abrogated by Jesus. Remember He is prophesied to come: ‘like a lightning flash, seen from East to West… Mathew 24:27-28 and ‘with His winnowing fork in His hand …to burn the chaff on a fire….Matthew 3:12 Then: where the vultures gather, there will be the carcasses. Vultures: the attackers of Israel. Carcasses: Those killed on that Day. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Psalms 97:3-5, Jeramiah 9:22, Isaiah 6:11-13, + This dramatic event is the yet to happen, Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Not the Return of Jesus in glory for His Millennium reign, that will be about 20 years later.
  7. Diaste, Revelation 21:1-7 is clear; the new Jerusalem comes down to earth after the Millennium. Note in verse 7 that it is the heritage of the Victorious peoples. That is; of every faithful believer, all who stood strong in their faith during all the trials and tribulations. Please do not think that ethnicity has any significance then. Or now!
  8. You make these two prophesies the one event. Why? They are described differently and are way apart in Revelation. But yes; Jerusalem will be flattened by the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal. Jeremiah 9:11, Isaiah 10:23, Jeremiah 22:6-7, Micah 5:11, + For now, we Christians are the Spiritual Temple, but it is plainly prophesied that there will be a physical Temple built before Jesus Returns. The devil will pollute it, just as Antiochus did to the 2nd Temple in 167 BC. After he was defeated, Maccabeus re-dedicated it and the Jews still celebrate that by the feast of Hanukkah. This history will repeat itself. Actually it seems that the ungodly may still be around in Eternity. Revelation 22:15 Something that we do not need to concern ourselves about.
  9. I have been to the Dome of the Rock. There is no throne in it, only the Rock that Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac on. On the Day of the Lord's wrath, all Islamic shrines will be destroyed. Jeremiah 22:6-7, Jeremiah 4:26-28, Isaiah 24:10 & 13, Isaiah 10:23
  10. So what is it that the Anti-Christ will declare himself to be god in? 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Your quote from Revelation 21, is after the Millennium. There will be a Temple built before the Mill, as we see above and in Revelation 11:1. Jesus will reign from it during the Mill. Rev 20:6
  11. Keras

    Pre-Tribulation Proofs

    They are the vast multitude, as mentioned in Revelation 9:7, of every faithful Christian person, gathered into all of the holy Land soon after the just previous Sixth Seal devastation has cleared all that area. Do not think they are in heaven, as that chapter describes an earthly scene. God's Throne can be seen from the earth if He wills it. Ezekiel 1:1
  12. Keras

    Pre-Tribulation Proofs

    The 1 Thess:4:15-17 prophecy is for the Return of Jesus, where He sends His angels to gather those Christians who remain to Him, inin the clouds, then in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31 The 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is all about the Judgement at the Great White Throne, that happens after the Millennium. Only then is the Book of Life opened and immortality conferred to those whose names are in it. Proved by verse 55, where Death is no more. Revelation 21:1-7 There will be death during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20 There is no rapture removal to heaven of anyone other than the 2 Witnesses and they are killed first. We must face trials; 1 Peter 3:12
  13. Keras

    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Jesus doesn't count, as He is the One who came from there. John 3:13 The saints of Matthew 27:52-53, or any other scripture, are never mentioned that they would go to heaven. The martyrs of Rev 20:4 remain on earth, as will all those transported to where Jesus is at His Return. None of your scriptures mention a 'rapture'. You have a very confused idea of the 144,000, who cannot be all Jews, as they represent only 2 of the 12 tribes. Their job is to proclaim the Glory of the Lord, Isaiah 66:19, they aren't being taken away from that. Absolute unscriptural nonsense. The vast multitude of Rev 7:9, is in Jerusalem, proved by the earthly scene set by verses 1-3 and by Rev 14:1, where Jesus reveals Himself to His people, as described in 2 Thess 1:10 Congrats, this is right! But remember they were killed and dead for 3 days before it. In no way does anyone else equate to their status. The ONLY people raised when Jesus Returns, is those killed for their faith during the 3 1/2 year period of the Anti-Christ world control. Revelation 20:4 Every other person who has died since Adam, awaits the GWT Judgement at the end of the Millennium.
  14. Keras

    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    The 'woman' is mentioned 4 times in Rev 12:6-7. It plainly refers to the Christian people. I have never said that nobody would be killed for their faith. That happens now and will continue until Jesus Returns. Read the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls. Most just state they will affect 1 or 2 thirds of the world and all say they are directed against those with the mark of the beast. I live in New Zealand. We are the Antipodes of Israel, so what happens in that area doesn't affect us. Maybe NZ will be the place of safety! Your opinion, that is refuted by the context of all the epistle of Galatians, that is almost entirely about how we Christians are the true People of God.
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    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Correct, but specifically it is about Judah. The 'woman' of Rev 12:6-17, is quite plainly the Christian people. Saying otherwise is a direct contradiction of scripture. The faithful Christians will be taken much further than that. They will go to the other side of the world, well away from those graphically described disasters of the Great Tribulation. Another false accusation from a uninformed person. The Israel of God are every faithful Christian, His Overcomers. Galatians 6:16 states it and it is only those who twist its meaning and ignore its context, that have to make it mean what it doesn't.