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  1. Keras

    Heaven when

    1 Thess 4:17 does not say 'all'. Revelation 20:4 makes it clear that only the Tribulation martyrs are brought back to life at Jesus' Return. The rest of the dead await the Great White Throne Judgment, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
  2. Hi Debp, We just helped at Ruel for 2 months, while the Director was in NZ. We found it quite difficult, as it was for the hottest time of the year. We didn't get sick, but it was hard to do much physical work. We live in New Zealand and do what we can to further the Kingdom. My website; logostelos.info
  3. People who believe that most, if not all, the prophesies of the Old Testament have been fulfilled in the past or just ignore them, are those who prefer to not face the reality of a forthcoming, worldwide devastation by the Lord. The prophesies of this judgement/punishment onto the enemies of God, are very well described throughout the O.T. and are confirmed by the New Testament. In over 100 scripture passages, this terrifying event is vividly described as a devastating fire sent by God from the sun, that will literally fulfil all that is predicted about it. Some of the prophesies speak in an allegorical way about this event, Joel 2:1-11 is an example. But most say what will happen, in an unambiguous way, for example: Ezekiel 7:17… people will wet their pants in fright as they see what is coming. Isaiah 24:1 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth and scatter its inhabitants. Zephaniah 3:8 On the Day I accuse the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger. I will pour out My wrath upon the nations. 2 Peter 3:7 …the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, for the Day of Judgement and the destruction of the ungodly. Psalm 50:3 Our God is coming, with His consuming fire and raging storm… Nothing like that has happened to the world as yet, but what is so clearly described could and will happen; if we are to believe the Bible. Secular scientists are aware of this possibility of a massive explosion of the suns surface, a Coronal mass Ejection, in fact: they say there is a high probability of such an event and it could occur at any time. It is a mistake to think these prophesies and all the others that tell of this event, are past history, or abrogated by Jesus. Remember He is prophesied to come: ‘like a lightning flash, seen from East to West… Mathew 24:27-28 and ‘with His winnowing fork in His hand …to burn the chaff on a fire….Matthew 3:12 Then: where the vultures gather, there will be the carcasses. Vultures: the attackers of Israel. Carcasses: Those killed on that Day. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Psalms 97:3-5, Jeramiah 9:22, Isaiah 6:11-13, + This dramatic event is the yet to happen, Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Not the Return of Jesus in glory for His Millennium reign, that will be about 20 years later.
  4. Diaste, Revelation 21:1-7 is clear; the new Jerusalem comes down to earth after the Millennium. Note in verse 7 that it is the heritage of the Victorious peoples. That is; of every faithful believer, all who stood strong in their faith during all the trials and tribulations. Please do not think that ethnicity has any significance then. Or now!
  5. You make these two prophesies the one event. Why? They are described differently and are way apart in Revelation. But yes; Jerusalem will be flattened by the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal. Jeremiah 9:11, Isaiah 10:23, Jeremiah 22:6-7, Micah 5:11, + For now, we Christians are the Spiritual Temple, but it is plainly prophesied that there will be a physical Temple built before Jesus Returns. The devil will pollute it, just as Antiochus did to the 2nd Temple in 167 BC. After he was defeated, Maccabeus re-dedicated it and the Jews still celebrate that by the feast of Hanukkah. This history will repeat itself. Actually it seems that the ungodly may still be around in Eternity. Revelation 22:15 Something that we do not need to concern ourselves about.
  6. I have been to the Dome of the Rock. There is no throne in it, only the Rock that Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac on. On the Day of the Lord's wrath, all Islamic shrines will be destroyed. Jeremiah 22:6-7, Jeremiah 4:26-28, Isaiah 24:10 & 13, Isaiah 10:23
  7. So what is it that the Anti-Christ will declare himself to be god in? 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Your quote from Revelation 21, is after the Millennium. There will be a Temple built before the Mill, as we see above and in Revelation 11:1. Jesus will reign from it during the Mill. Rev 20:6
  8. They are the vast multitude, as mentioned in Revelation 9:7, of every faithful Christian person, gathered into all of the holy Land soon after the just previous Sixth Seal devastation has cleared all that area. Do not think they are in heaven, as that chapter describes an earthly scene. God's Throne can be seen from the earth if He wills it. Ezekiel 1:1
  9. The 1 Thess:4:15-17 prophecy is for the Return of Jesus, where He sends His angels to gather those Christians who remain to Him, inin the clouds, then in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31 The 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is all about the Judgement at the Great White Throne, that happens after the Millennium. Only then is the Book of Life opened and immortality conferred to those whose names are in it. Proved by verse 55, where Death is no more. Revelation 21:1-7 There will be death during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20 There is no rapture removal to heaven of anyone other than the 2 Witnesses and they are killed first. We must face trials; 1 Peter 3:12
  10. Jesus doesn't count, as He is the One who came from there. John 3:13 The saints of Matthew 27:52-53, or any other scripture, are never mentioned that they would go to heaven. The martyrs of Rev 20:4 remain on earth, as will all those transported to where Jesus is at His Return. None of your scriptures mention a 'rapture'. You have a very confused idea of the 144,000, who cannot be all Jews, as they represent only 2 of the 12 tribes. Their job is to proclaim the Glory of the Lord, Isaiah 66:19, they aren't being taken away from that. Absolute unscriptural nonsense. The vast multitude of Rev 7:9, is in Jerusalem, proved by the earthly scene set by verses 1-3 and by Rev 14:1, where Jesus reveals Himself to His people, as described in 2 Thess 1:10 Congrats, this is right! But remember they were killed and dead for 3 days before it. In no way does anyone else equate to their status. The ONLY people raised when Jesus Returns, is those killed for their faith during the 3 1/2 year period of the Anti-Christ world control. Revelation 20:4 Every other person who has died since Adam, awaits the GWT Judgement at the end of the Millennium.
  11. The 'woman' is mentioned 4 times in Rev 12:6-7. It plainly refers to the Christian people. I have never said that nobody would be killed for their faith. That happens now and will continue until Jesus Returns. Read the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls. Most just state they will affect 1 or 2 thirds of the world and all say they are directed against those with the mark of the beast. I live in New Zealand. We are the Antipodes of Israel, so what happens in that area doesn't affect us. Maybe NZ will be the place of safety! Your opinion, that is refuted by the context of all the epistle of Galatians, that is almost entirely about how we Christians are the true People of God.
  12. Correct, but specifically it is about Judah. The 'woman' of Rev 12:6-17, is quite plainly the Christian people. Saying otherwise is a direct contradiction of scripture. The faithful Christians will be taken much further than that. They will go to the other side of the world, well away from those graphically described disasters of the Great Tribulation. Another false accusation from a uninformed person. The Israel of God are every faithful Christian, His Overcomers. Galatians 6:16 states it and it is only those who twist its meaning and ignore its context, that have to make it mean what it doesn't.
  13. I do not call presenting the truth of scripture an insult to anyone. What is rude and disgusting, is the personal attacks made by those whose beliefs are challenged. I almost sympathize, as I know they haven't a leg to stand on with their false teachings. I see no scriptural proof in your post above, just a mishmash of opinion and fantasy. Isaiah 65:17-25 is about timeless Eternity, after the Millennium. When 'we will be as the angels', all whose names are found in the Book of Life.
  14. Now, you're looking very lacking in reading skills! Revelation 12:17 .....the remnant of the 'woman's seed', those who keep the commandments of God and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The true Israelites of God are every faithful Christian person. Be they Jew or Gentile, black or white, male or female, etc. Period.
  15. Your reading of scripture is hopelessly biased and confused. Revelation 12:17 is plainly about Christians as the rest of the children of the 'woman'. They must remain, but the faithful group will be kept safe for the 1260 days until Jesus Returns. Then they will be gathered by the angels to where Jesus is; in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31 I ask again: refute me with scripture, not opinions, if you can.
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