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  1. And except those days should be shortened.

    So when was the earth moved out of her place? Isaiah 13:13 It is a commonly agreed principal by Bible scholars, that 'Babylon' is used in prophecy to refer to any ungodly nation. Isaiah 13 awaits fulfilment, for the Day that mankind becomes a scarce as fine gold. Your use of rude and derogatory epithets against me, highlighting, CAPITALS and repeated words, just shows the lack of proper rebuttal and your desperation to avoid the truth of a soon to happen time when all will have to face the great and terrible wrath of the Lord.
  2. And except those days should be shortened.

    Bible prophecy tells us that on the Lord's Day wrath, the earth will be shaken out of it's place. Isaiah 13:13 I believe this change to our orbit around the sun, will result in the earth speeding up to a 360 day year. This is what it was in ancient times and will be again, to make the prophesies in Revelation fit correctly.
  3. The Day of the Lord's Vengeance and Wrath

    Yes, of course, that was a generalization. Scripture is plain: a remnant will be saved, those few Messianic Jews, who have become born again Christians. Re the rest of your comments, I think the best thing is to ask you to consider what it is that God really wants of us and how He has gone about achieving His Plan. I post one of the articles I wrote on that subject: Almighty God and Planet Earth: We now have available to us quite sophisticated video games, such as ‘Game of Thrones’, where we can control identities and develop outcomes to the advantage of the player. When we consider the empirical data of our environment and the information as given to us in the Book provided by our Maker, it does seem that we are actually part of a carefully set up great cosmic plan1. The Creator God has fashioned a whole universe, [He probably keeps it in a shoebox on the table] and He has fixed the heavenly bodies in space, but Planet Earth is specially established as a place for human existence2. He constantly watches3 our progress or lack of, as the case may be and does occasionally intervene with miraculous things4 and a little tweak of the weather5. He can also control our minds6, although we are free to choose our beliefs and that has a bearing on our actions7. Although Satan is an angelic being that has rebelled against God,8 he is allowed to try to deceive humankind,9 in order to provide us with a choice – follow good or evil.10 God sent Jesus into the world to reiterate how we should live and to provide a way of atonement for all who choose to believe in Him and obey His Commands.11 Only once so far, He has carried out a reset of civilization, when the situation got out of hand, as in the days of Noah12. Then later, He selected Abraham to father a nation who would become His chosen people, to be His witnesses and to show the right way of living to the rest of the nations.13 The ancient Israelites failed at this task and they were exiled out of the holy Land and city that God had chosen for His own.14 Now a small portion of the Israelites have returned to a part of the holy Land, but they face constant threats of annihilation from all the surrounding peoples.15 The Prophetic Word says that the Lord is restraining Himself from intervening,16 but when the enemy commences his attack, then He will act.17 Scripture tells us that He is the Potter, we are the clay and He can remould or smash at will.18 Some are actually made for destruction.19 The forthcoming great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a terrible judgement/punishment by fire from the sky,20 will once again reset the world’s civilization.21 The survivors of the nations will establish a One World Government, ruled by 10 Presidents,22 but all the true Christian people will gather and go to live in all of the original Promised Land.23 They will fulfil their destiny, being a light to the nations and proclaiming the coming Kingdom of Jesus.24 1/ Almighty God is the Creator of all there is. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth…. Jeremiah 10:12 God made the earth by His power… Psalm 33:11 The Lord’s purpose stands forever…. 2/ The Earth is made for mankind. Genesis 1:26-28…God created humans in His own image, they have dominion over the earth. Isaiah 45:18 The Creator says: I made the earth as a place to be lived in. 3/ The Lord watches all mankind. 2 Chron. 16:9 The eyes of the Lord range through the whole world… Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord survey everyone, good or evil. Psalm 11:4 God is on His throne in heaven, His searching gaze tests mankind. 4/ God can and does perform miracles. Exodus 14:21-28 …the Israelites went over the Red sea on dry land… John 11:43 Jesus said: Lazarus, come forth. 5/ God controls the weather. Genesis 41:25-32…there will be seven good years and then seven years of famine. 1 Kings 18:41-45…Elijah prayed for rain to break the drought. Psalm 135:3-5 The Lord is great, He brings up clouds and makes the rain. 6/ He can control our minds. Deut. 29:4 To this day, the Lord has not given you a mind to understand. Isaiah 29:9-11 If you believe false teachings, then the Lord will pour upon you a spirit of deep stupor and the prophetic vision will become as a sealed book. Isaiah 56:10-11 All Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing… Matthew 11:25 Father, You have hidden the truth from the wise and revealed it to the simple. 7/ We can choose the path we travel through life. Genesis 2:15-17…you are free to eat of any tree, but if you eat from the tree of the knowledge you will then know of the difference between good and evil. Proverbs 16:16 Choose wisdom rather than gold, discernment before silver. 8/ Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, that great Dragon. Ezekiel 28:11-15 You were full of wisdom and beauty…until iniquity came into you. Luke 4:6 All the earth has been put into my hands…. Rev. 12:3-17…that great Dragon lost his place in heaven… he pursued the ‘woman’, but she was taken to a place of safety, so he went to wage war on the other faithful Christians. 9/ Satan is a cunning deceiver. Genesis 4:6-7 The Lord said to Cain: Why are you angry? You must keep upright, for sin is a demon crouching at the door, it will take you over 1 Peter 5:8 Look out! The Devil is like a roaring lion, looking for prey. 10/ It’s our choice – follow good or evil. Joshua 24:15 …choose now whom you will serve, the God of our fathers or of the Amorites. Isaiah 56:4-5…those who choose to do My will, will receive an everlasting blessing. 11/ The Way of the Lord is the right Way. Isaiah 48:17 The Lord says: I teach you for your own wellbeing… Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you mortals what is good, act justly, be loyal and humble. John 14:6 Jesus said: I am the Way, the Truth and the Light… 12/ The days of Noah. Genesis 6:5-13 When God saw how great was the wickedness of humans on earth, He wiped them out with a great flood, only Noah and his family survived. Matthew 24:27 As it was in the days of Noah, again it will be when the Son of Man comes. 13/ A chosen people, the Lord’s witnesses. Deut.10:15 God loved the forefathers and He chose their descendants after them. Psalm 65:4-5 Happy are those whom You chose, God our Deliverer John 15:1-26 I am the Vine, you are the branches…you are to bear fruit in plenty and so be My disciples…You did not choose Me, I chose you…to be My witnesses throughout the world. 14/ The Exile punishment of the Israelites. Deut. 4:25-27 If you anger the Lord by sinning against Him, then He will scatter you among the nations and leave you few in number in the places where He will lead you. 2 Kings 17:20-23 When God separated Israel from the House of David, they persisted in sinning. So the Lord rejected the descendants of Israel and flung them out of His presence. They were taken to Assyria and remain in exile to this day. Jeremiah 16:10-13 Tell Judah how they have forsaken Me and do not keep My Law, they follow their wicked and stubborn hearts. So I shall fling them headlong out of this Land, into unknown countries, there to serve other gods. 15/ The Jewish State of Israel is now facing serious threats of attack. Psalm 83:1-8 …our enemies raise an uproar, they devise a cunning plot against Israel. They say: Let us wipe them out as a nation, let the name of Israel be remembered no more. Micah 4:11-12 Now; many nations are massed against you, they say: Let Israel suffer disaster, but they do not know God’s thoughts or understand His purposes – they are like sheaves gathered for threshing. 16/ God is refraining from intervening until the last moment. Isaiah 42:14 Long have I restrained Myself, I keep silence and hold Myself in check. But now I am like a woman in labour, soon I will lay waste to the countryside and dry it up. Habakkuk 3:12-14 In anger, You traverse the earth, You trample down the nations. You will shatter the wicked, sweeping them away as they commence their secret attack. Psalm 7:12-16 The enemy makes ready his weapons, but his nefarious actions will recoil upon himself, his violent attack will fall onto his own head. Joel 3:4 What are you Philistines doing? If you try to take vengeance on Me, I shall make your weapons recoil swiftly onto your own heads. 17/ The Lord will take action against the godless nations. Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen everybody: the Lord’s anger is against all the nations and His wrath is against their military forces. For My sword will appear in the sky, the atmosphere will roll away as it descends in judgement. There will be a great slaughter in Edom, [non Israelite nations] and a sacrifice in Bozrah. [Places where the exiled Israelites live.] Isaiah 28:21 But the Lord will arise, as He did in ancient times, He will storm with rage to do what He must do, to perform His task, an unusual act. 18/ He is the Potter, we are the clay. Jeremiah 18:1-9… My people, I can deal with you just like a potter does with the clay….I can at any moment uproot a nation or plant and build up another nation or kingdom. But if it does evil in My sight, then I will reconsider the good that I had in mind for them. Romans 9:20-21 Who do you think you are, to answer your Creator back?...Surely the Potter can do what He likes with the clay. Is he not free to make two vessels out of one lump, one to be treasured, the other for common use? 19/ Some are made for destruction. Romans 9:22-23 But if it is indeed God’s purpose to display His retribution and make His power known, can it be that He has with great patience tolerated vessels made to be objects of His wrath and destined for destruction? Jeremiah 9: 25-26, 21-22 The time is coming when I shall punish all the circumcised, the dwellers in the Middle East, for all alike including My people, Israel, are uncircumcised in their hearts. Death will come into the houses and those outside will fall. Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, like swaths behind the Reaper, with no one to bury them. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made each thing for its own end, so He has made the wicked for a Day of calamity. Hebrews 10:27…there remains only a terrifying fire that will consume God’s enemies. 20/ The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 30:25-28…on the Day of massacre, when all military power is destroyed….the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength…[A Coronal Mass Ejection] The Lord’s anger blazes and His doom is heavy upon the nations that He has decreed for destruction. Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord is near and approaches fast. That Day is a Day of devastation and dire distress to all peoples who have sinned against the Lord, their blood will be poured out and their entrails like dung. Their wealth and strength will not save them from the fire of His wrath. The entire holy Land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live there. Malachi 4:1-3 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the godless evildoers will become stubble, set ablaze and as ashes under your feet, on the Day that I take action. Revelation 6:12-17 As the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, there was a violent earthquake, the sun was darkened, [by the approaching CME mass] and the moon blood red. [by the hit from this CME] The sky rolled up, [the atmosphere pushed aside] and there was a meteor shower. Everyone could see what was coming and they tried to hide, terrified by their impending doom: for the great Day of wrath of God Almighty and the Lamb has come and who can stand? 21/ The Second ‘Reset of Civilization’. Deuteronomy 32:22, 34- 43 God has in reserve, sealed in His storehouse, waiting for the Day of punishment and vengeance: a fire to be set ablaze by His wrath. It will devour the earth and its harvest, reaching to the very roots of the mountains. When those who hate Him make a mistake, He will avenge the blood of His people and cleanse His Land. Jeremiah 25:30-33 The Lord thunders from His dwelling place, He roars loudly against all the inhabitants of the holy Land. Everyone on earth hears the great sound, for He brings His charge against the nations and arraigns all mankind. He has handed the wicked over to destruction. Ruin spreads from nation to nation, [as the earth rotates] and those whom the Lord has killed on that Day, will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. 2 Peter 3:7 By God’s Word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for burning, kept until the Day of judgement, when the godless will be destroyed. 22/ The long planned One World Government, soon to be ruled by a dictator. Daniel 7:23-24…a fourth kingdom will appear on earth…it will take over the whole earth, controlling all aspects of life with great power. Ten Presidents will initially rule the ten regions, but another powerful leader will arise and take dictatorial control over all. Revelation 17:12-13 & 13:11-18 The ten horns you saw represent ten kings, who will confer their authority onto the beast. The beast whose mortal wound had been healed makes everyone worship his image and to take his mark, otherwise they cannot buy or sell. 23/ The Lord’s righteous people, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, Romans 11:13-21, will gather and go to live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 51:5-6 In an instant, I will bring victory and deliver My people. Look: although the sky is dispersed like smoke and people die like flies, My saving power to you is everlasting. Isaiah 66:18-20 I am coming to gather people of every tongue, they will come to see My glory. From all the world, in every type of conveyance they will come, as an offering to God. Isaiah 62:1-5 For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent, her victory and deliverance is like a blazing torch. The Land will be called Beulah and I will delight in My people who live there. Jeremiah 23:3 I Myself, will gather the remnant of My sheep from all the lands to which I have dispersed them. I shall bring them back to their rightful homes and they will be fruitful and increase. Zechariah 8:7-8 This is the Word of the Lord: I am about to rescue My people from the countries in the East and the West and bring them back to live in the holy Land. They will be My people and I will be their God. 24/ The Lord’s people, the new nation of Beulah living in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 49:8 These are the Words of the Lord: In the time of My favour, I answered you, on the Day of deliverance I came to your aid. I have prepared you and destined you to be a ‘light to the nations’, and to restore the desolated Land. Ezekiel 39:25-29 When I bring My people back from the nations, when they live once more in their homeland undisturbed and free from terror, then they will forget their shame and unfaithfulness to Me – for I shall pour out My Spirit upon them and they will display My holiness for many nations to see. Isaiah 42:6 I the Lord, have called you for a righteous purpose and taken you by the hand. I have formed you and destined you to be a light for the peoples, a lamp for the nations. Revelation 7:1-10 After that, [The Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the nations.] there will be no further disasters until the Seal of God is placed upon the foreheads of His servants. 144,000 were marked and with them was a vast throng of people from every race, tribe, nation and language. They shouted: Victory to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb! Reference; Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged and paraphrased. Revelation 14:1-6 proves all this takes place in Jerusalem and the Lord is ‘revealed to His own’, 2 Thess. 1:10 and ‘to the elders of His people’, Isaiah 24:23. The leader they elect, Jer. 30:21 ‘will approach Him’, as Moses did.
  4. Christians will occupy the holy Land

    Simplejeff, you confuse the Israel of God with the people who currently occupy Israel. They will be destroyed on the Lord's Day of wrath. Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:12, + Jeremiah 14:11-12 Do not pray for the wellbeing of this people. [the Jews]....I shall make an end of them with sword, famine and pestilence. Luke 19:27, Hebrews 10:26-27 Jeremiah 8:8-12 How can you say 'we are wise' when the scribes [rabbis] have falsified the Law? ....they say 'all is well' but nothing is well. They should be ashamed because they practice abominations, yet they have no sense of shame. Therefore they will fall with a great crash on the Day of reckoning. The nonsense of a full Jewish redemption, is just another lie upon the rapture lie. ONLY A REMNANT WILL BE SAVED. Romans 9:27 Plain enough?
  5. And except those days should be shortened.

    I agree, Revelation specifically says, in 3 ways that the time of Satans control before Jesus Returns will be 3 1/2 years, 42 months or 1260 days. I cannot see how this period can be shortened. Shortening the daylight hours surely won't do it!
  6. The Day of the Lord's Vengeance and Wrath

    As Bible prophecy does tell us that a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the sun’s surface is what the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-2, Malachi 4:1, +, we should know what a CME is and what it can do. Briefly: On the Appointed Day, Habakkuk 2:3, the sun will explode out a huge, earth directed mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. The initial super bright flash and the Electro- Magnetic Pulse will arrive here within 8 minutes, causing armed nuke weapons to explode, Jeremiah 49:35, and all electrical systems will be destroyed. The EMP microwave effect will also cause tectonic plate movement, Deuteronomy 32:22 - severe worldwide earthquakes. The sun will be darkened by being obscured by the approaching mass and the moon will burn blood red from the plasma's thermite reaction with the moon dust. 24 hours after the explosion, the main mass will strike the earth, directly onto the Middle East, Zephaniah 2:4, wiping out the entire population, excepting a small remnant in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:4, Jeremiah 10:18, Psalms 97:3-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18;+ [God's perfect solution to the ME crisis] But as the earth is rotating and moving at 66,000mph on its orbital track, it quickly moves away and the rest of the world won't be so badly affected. The survivor's will form a One World Government, but we Christians will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10 The great Day of the Lord's wrath; the Sixth Seal, will come upon everyone the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35 Proved by how Revelation 6:15 covers every person. Isaiah 24:1-2, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7 No one will be taken away before this great test of our faith, 1 Peter 4:12, we will all see the cosmic effects and experience the devastation of that Day. Jeremiah 25:29-33 There are some signs to happen before that Day, we should know about. The 'sign of the fig tree budding', has occurred with the Jews establishing their own State in a part of the holy Land. Jesus said: the generation that see this will live to see it all. Matthew 24:32-34, Ezekiel 12:25 Another prophecy that requires fulfilment before that Day, is Isaiah 3:1-7 and it may be that Micah 5:1 will precede it. Isaiah 3:1-7 is specifically about Judah and Jerusalem. It says that they will lose their good leaders and the Lord will appoint incompetent youths to govern. This prophecy has not been fulfilled as Written, so must belong to the present day. Judah is a nation, they control Jerusalem and they have a strong and experienced leader in Benyamin Netanyahu. If anything happened to him, they would be in disarray. Micah 5:1, is an interesting verse without any context to help explain it, says how Israel's ruler will be struck on the cheek with a rod. A 'rod' is a slang term for a rifle and today it is possible for a sniper to accurately hit people at ranges of up to 2 miles. The world is plainly, as in the days of Noah, as they and now we; think is normal life. BUT they and now the modern world, have sidelined their Creator. People say 'there is no God' and the bulk of humans, just ignore the One true God and worship materialism, idols or false gods. God will correct the situation; He did so before and He will do it again! Isaiah 3:8-26, goes on to tell how rebel Judah will be brought low; the look on their faces testifies against them! Amazing prophecy, that perfectly fits the arrogant, LGBT and 'stiff necked' people who live in Israel now. The Lord says: on that Day, I will take away your pride, instead of perfume there will be the stink of decay.....your men will fall by the Sword of the Lord and Zion will be stripped bare. Wait for the Day!
  7. Inquiring into the "Rapture"

    We are told to study the Prophetic Word, but for most understanding will come only after the great test of the Lord's Day of wrath: 1 Peter 3:12 2 Peter 1:19 Study the messages of the prophets, they shine like a lamp in a dark place and when the Day breaks, they will illuminate your mind. Psalm 119:17-18 Grant this to me, Your servant, let me live so that I may keep Your Word. Take the veil from my eyes, that I may see the wonders of Your Word. Jeremiah 23:20..in days to come, you will understand. Daniel 2:21 God is all powerful, He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. Psalm 119:169 May my cry come before You, give me understanding according to Your Word. Hosea 14:9 Let the wise consider these things, let the discerning understand them. After the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath: Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth this people, a people whose eyes are blind, whose ears are deaf. Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. Isaiah 42:18-20 You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust? Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see. Isaiah 29:24 Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction. Isaiah 32:3-4 Then those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly. As the Lord’s faithful Christian people go to live in all of the Holy Land: Isaiah 41:17-20 The poor and needy [His people] look for water and find none, but I, the Lord, shall provide for their wants, I shall open springs of water and grow crop and trees. So all may see and understand that it is the Lord who does these things. Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26 Jeremiah 3:15 In the Land, I shall give you leaders with knowledge and understanding. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.
  8. The Day of the Lord's Vengeance and Wrath

    Thomas, if you want to start accusing anyone of being anti Semetic- anti Jew, start with Jesus: Matthew 21:43 The kingdom will be taken from you [Jews] and given to a people who bear the proper fruit. Revelation 3:9 As for those who falsely claim to be Jews, but are of the synagogue of Satan........ Luke 20:9-16 The parable of the vineyard, where the wicked tenants are put to death. Luke 19:12-27 The parable of the talents, where the useless servant loses it all and those who did not want Jesus for their King, are slaughtered. You are so confused about what I believe and what the Prophetic Word says will happen, I can only recommend you read the New Testament and find out who God's people actually are. Try Galatians first.
  9. Christians will occupy the holy Land

    John 3:16 God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, so everyone who has faith in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Faith makes you worthy. What rubbish! The Overcomer is one who has resisted Satan's wiles and kept their faith in God even unto death. Their reward is eternal life. Revelation 21:7 A Jewish redemption? Not likely. Explain why God should redeem those atheists, apostates, arrogant, LGBT Jesus haters. Bible prophecy is clear: only a remnant of Israel will be saved. Romans 9:27 The nonsense you promote about all ethnic Israel being saved, is just a falsehood, made up in order to have the Church in heaven, while the Jews get tribulated. You flat out contradict Scripture with that false belief. God WILL keep His promise to the Patriarchs. Their descendants are all who have faith in God, every born again Christian, proved by another Scripture that you choose to ignore. Galatians 3:29
  10. Inquiring into the "Rapture"

    Gus, you are to be commended for your right Christian attitude toward fellow Christians, who have different beliefs about what God will do for His people as the last days unfold. I too, have posted here and elsewhere against the rapture to heaven doctrine. But I have concluded that God does want most of those who have chosen to believe it, to keep to it and no matter how good we are proving a rapture removal is false, they cannot change. Partly this is because to refute the rapture they would be considered insane by their family and friends, but mostly because the prophets say; Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak? To whom give warning, who will hear me? The peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening...... Psalm 74:9 We cannot see any sign, we have no prophets now. Isaiah 29:10-14 For you the whole vision is nothing but words in a sealed book. Isaiah 6:9b-10 However hard you look and listen, you will never perceive. Isaiah 48:8 You don’t understand, because your ears were stopped long ago. Psalm 94:5 Understand, O dullest of people; when will you be wise? Deuteronomy 32:28-29 My people are a nation devoid of understanding. If only they had the wisdom to discern what their end will be! Daniel 12:9-10 None of the wicked will understand, only a few wise leaders of My people. Amos 8:11-13 People will search for the truth, but will not find it. Isaiah 8:16 I shall tie up the message, seal the instructions, so My disciples cannot understand it. Matthew 11:25 Father, You have hidden Your secrets from the learned and revealed them to the simple.[the uneducated]
  11. Inquiring into the "Rapture"

    Thank you Eilleenhat, your courage to speak the truth is commendable. Nowhere does the Bible say that God will take His people to live in heaven. It is only by inference and assumption that the rapture lie is construed. Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, no one answered; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before My eyes, and chose what displeased Me. Ezekiel 20:25 With the rapture cult, the initial error is that of separating Israel and the Church, so they could still look for salvation to come to ethnic Israel, as a major tenet of their doctrine: Israel on earth, the Church in heaven. The pre-Trib rapture teaches removal to ensure survival from tribulation, but salvation has always been stated to redeem us from our fallen sinful state, in our earthly situation. Acts 20:21 I know that when I am gone, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 2 Peter 2:1-3, 2 Timothy 4:3-4 The rapture idea is that God will “save us” from that which must occur – thus equating this supposed removal with salvation. After so many Christians saw the inadequacy and misappropriation of the verses used to promote Pre-Trib, the Post-Trib alternative was then built around surviving the tribulation – thus sustaining the illusion that survival is somehow related to salvation. The “delusion” the LORD chose, is the strong delusion referenced in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. This “delusion” has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in an evacuation. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter in to the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the cross. Our salvation was assured at the first coming, not the second. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24 And if the Lord does not save them, as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4
  12. Christians will occupy the holy Land

    Galatians 3:27-29....there is now no difference between Jew and Gentile, they are all one in Christ.... The ruse you have fallen for, Daniel 11, is the fanciful notion of a rapture to heaven, that is never mention in the Bible. Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, no one answered; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before My eyes, and chose what displeased Me. Ezekiel 20:25 With the Rapture Cult, the initial error is that of separating Israel and the Church, so they could still look for salvation to come to ethnic Israel, as a major tenet of their doctrine: Israel on earth, the Church in heaven. The pre-Trib rapture teaches removal to ensure survival from tribulation, but salvation has always been stated to redeem us from our fallen sinful state, in our earthly situation. Acts 20:21 I know that when I am gone, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 2 Peter 2:1-3, 2 Timothy 4:3-4 With the rapture theory, the idea is that God will “save us” from that which must occur – thus equalling this supposed removal with salvation. After so many Christians saw the inadequacy and misappropriation of the verses used to promote Pre-Trib, the Post-Trib alternative was then built around surviving the tribulation – thus sustaining the illusion that survival is somehow related to salvation. The “delusion” the LORD chose, is the strong delusion referenced in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. This “delusion” has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in an evacuation. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter in to the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the cross. Our salvation was assured at the first coming, not the second. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24 And if the Lord does not save them, as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4
  13. Christians will occupy the holy Land

    Before the Advent of Jesus, the people of God were those who put their faith in Him, as Abraham, Elijah, David, etc did. But now we have the teachings of Jesus, where He says: we must come to the Father through Him. This is a simple, plain statement, which diametrically changes things, to give those with the OT faith the extra benefit of Atonement for their sins. That is our great blessing along with the promise of Eternal life for those who prove to be worthy. Revelation 3:21 As for a Jewish redemption, as heleadethme says, that idea is simply unbiblical and will not happen. Jesus said the Kingdom was taken from then and given to a people who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 Many prophesies tell us that Judah will be judged and punished and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27 That remnant will join with their Christian brethren and all, a vast multitude, will live in all of the holy Land. Revelation 7:9 The elect are every individual chosen by God and who have been born again into the salvation offered by Jesus. Saying they are Israel, the Jews or the Church, are all misnomers as God's holy people, all faithful Christians, are from every tribe, race, nation and language. Rev 5:9-10, Rev 7:9, Isaiah 66:18b But remember that Jacob was given the name of Israel by God, as he was an overcomer. That is what the word Israel literally means: an Overcomer for God. So we Christians are the Israelites of God, the victorious ones over the wiles of Satan and the temptations of this world. Colossians 1:11-12 Who is it that will be gathered at Jesus' Return? God's holy people, those who have endured until the end, Rev 13:9-10. The 'Victorious' ones, as described in the Ephesus Church - Revelation 2:7, the Smyrna Church - Rev 2:10-11, the Pergamum Church - Rev 2:17, the Thyatira Church - Rev 2:26, the Sardis Church - Rev 3:5, the Philadelphia Church - Rev 3:12, the Laodicea Church - Rev 3:21 To anyone who is Victorious, I will grant a place beside Me on My Throne, as I Myself was Victorious and sat down with My Father on His Throne. You have ears; so hear what the Spirit says to all the Churches! This truth totally refutes the rapture to heaven and all the preterist's wrong ideas. It's time for every Christian to 'gird their loins', in other words; be aware and mentally [and physically] prepared for what must come. To almost all of the world, what the Lord is soon to do, it will come as a severe shock, causing many Christians to lose their faith because what they expected to happen; did not. We must stand firm in our faith and do what we are told to do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 Revelation 21:7 This is the victors heritage; I will be their God and they will be My children.
  14. The Day of the Lord's Vengeance and Wrath

    Solar flares or Coronal Mass Ejections The earth has recently been getting some reminders of the sun's power, with a few solar flares. We are told how they can cause disruption of communications, but the news mostly focuses on the aurora displays. I don't waste any worry space about these minor events, I haven't even found out how exactly an A class flare differs from an M class one. The CME predicted so comprehensively in Bible prophesy will be far off any scale and completely unprecedented. Joel 2:2b The earths magnetosphere is a shield that protects us from the direct effects of a small CME. Auroras are the result of this protection. But we see that a CME could be the literal fulfilment of: Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine seven times stronger... and - Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace...., will cause - Revelation 6:14 & Isaiah 34:4 ...the sky will roll up like a scroll....the atmosphere to be pushed aside - 2 Peter 3:10....the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound..... with a great noise Isaiah 64:1 Lord, tear aside the heavens, come down and cause earthquakes, fires and make water boil....and extreme heat. The tremendous pressure wave of this CME will force away our magnetic shield and will bring to pass all the effects of the much prophesied Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath, a terrible and unexpected judgement of fire. It is stated many times to be a one Day event, that is 24 hours: one earth rotation. Therefore, all the world will be affected; we are told that it will strike first in the Middle East at their midday, Zephaniah 2:4 and the sound of it will be heard around the world. Jeremiah 25:30-31 Within 40 seconds, those living in New Zealand will hear it, at their 11pm at night. Those in other time zones can easily calculate what their time is when it is 12 noon in the M. E. Anyone caught outside during the fire storms and earthquakes of this CME will die. Isaiah 66:16, Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 25:33, Jeremiah 9:22, Isaiah 63: 1-6, Psalm 37:10, Ezekiel 32:6 So, we who are warned must take note of what Isaiah tells us in- Isaiah 26:20-21 The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins. Go, My people, enter your rooms and shut the door after you, withdraw for a little while until the Lord's wrath has passed. Expect and be prepared for - total darkness, extreme heat, powerful winds and earthquakes, then after it passes, no electricity, no water supply, no food deliveries, no communications, no transport and no rule of law. Peoples outside of the most affected zone will gradually recover, but life for all the survivors will never be the same again.
  15. The Day of the Lord's Vengeance and Wrath

    Looking at the Interlineal Scripture Analyzer, I see in Isaiah 30:26, that the Hebrew word 'e-lbne' is translated 'moonshine' and 'e-chme' - sunshine. It IS referring to the moon and the sun, your denials just erode your reputation. I have a list of 116 prophesies that can only be fulfilled by a big CME. It is what will happen, be assured. Note that another, smaller CME will happen at the Fourth Bowl. Revelation 16:8-9 Should I have used 'balls' or 'guts' instead of nous?
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