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  1. But you didn't, so take a little more care with your posts, please. We agree; Jesus will be here as King over all the earth for the 1000 years. Jesus does not again return to heaven. At the end of the Millennium, He hands the Kingdom back to the Father. 1 Cor 15:24 Then God will dwell on earth with mankind. Rev 21:1-4 It will be heaven on earth, as it was in Adams time.
  2. So Marcus, we are waiting for the scripture that supports Christians being in heaven during the Millennium. I 'don't get' what you believe, your twisting and misapplication of prophecy, because I believe the literal truth of what we are told God has planned for His people.
  3. But that is not what the Bible actually says. God the Father does not come to dwell with mankind until after the Mill. Rev 21:4 Statements like you make, just show that you haven't read your Bible properly.
  4. Heaven is where God is. And God does not come to dwell with mankind on earth, until AFTER the Millennium. Rev 21:1-4 Why didn't you post the scripture that proves Christians will live in heaven during the Millennium? One can see the manifestation of Heaven in the millennium Keras reply; There will still be death in the Millennium, Isaiah 65:12 And the joke is; all your quotes refer to the Earth. [I can't remove the strikethrough]
  5. All the Christians do not go to heaven during the 1000 years reign of Jesus on earth. That fantasy idea deserves a flippant response. There is just no scripture to support that and no logical reason for it. What will happen next, is a reset of the worlds civilization and those who survive all that is to come, will go into the Millennium as normal living humans. The resurrected martyrs will reign as kings and some of the living Christians will serve as priests. Revelation 5:9-10 Jeremiah 5:1-2 Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look and take note, search for anyone who acts justly or one who seeks the truth - that I might forgive that city. People may swear by the Lord, but in fact they perjure themselves. Is it possible to find anyone there today, acting in real truth and justice? Jeremiah 5:3 You look for righteousness. You have punished Your people, but they took no heed and refused to learn. They hardened their hearts and would not repent of their sins. Israel and Judah, punished by their exiles, but they still don't truly repent. Jeremiah 5:4-5 The Lord thought; these are only the common people, those that don't know the Laws of their God. I will go to their leaders and teachers, they should know the right ways. But, they too, have gone away from the right path and no longer keep the Laws or trust the Lord. Our leaders are often not good Christian examples and many false doctrines abound. Jeremiah 5:6-9 So they will be struck down by disaster, for their rebellious deeds and apostasies are beyond counting. Why should I forgive them for this? Your children have forsaken Me, with idols and adulteries. Shall I fail to punish them for this? I will exact vengeance on these people. Jeremiah 5:10-13 Prune the vine, lop off the branches, for they are not the Lord's. Faithless are Israel [the vine] and Judah [the fig tree], both faithless to Me, they both deny their God, saying: He does not see or care - no harm will come to us, we won't see war or want. The prophets just speak empty words, meaningless wind. Therefore, because they talk this way, I shall make My words a fire in your mouth and it will burn up these people like brushwood. Apostate, atheistic Judah, the Jewish people, and Israel, the Christian peoples, are still similar to their ancestors. The clear prophetic warnings were ignored then and are ignored now. The 'burning' did not happen then, it is still future. Jeremiah 5:14-19. I am bringing against you a distant nation, of mighty warriors, they will conquer you and destroy cities. But in those days, I shall not make an end of you. When you ask; Why has the Lord done this to us? You will say; it was because we forsook our God, so we must serve foreigners and live in another land. In ancient times Assyria conquered Israel then Babylon conquered Judah. Now their decreed punishment by exile is nearing completion. Jeremiah 5:20-25 Proclaim this to the people of Israel and Judah - Listen you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see nothing, ears and hear nothing. Do you not fear your Maker and tremble before Me? But My people have a defiant and rebellious heart. They have rebelled and gone their own way. They did not acknowledge how the Lord gives the rain and their prosperity. Their wrong doing has upset natures order and their sins have kept away her bounty. Jeremiah 5:26-31 For among My people there are scoundrels, who lay traps and prey upon others, They grow rich and fat, by turning a blind eye to wickedness. Shall I fail to punish them for this? There is an appalling outrage in this Land. Prophets prophesy lies, the Rabbis and priests rule by their own authority - that is the way the people like it. What will ye do in the end thereof? Isaiah 51:1-30 Reference; REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
  6. What scripture plainly says, is that earth is our habitation. Genesis 1, Eccl 1:4, + Jesus says that the meek and humble shall inherit the earth. Does that mean the proud and arrogant will live in Heaven? No way! Isaiah 29:20-21
  7. Well, you have sure got this right, Keeping our faith and enduring until the end, is what we must do. The only people we are told that God will take to heaven in the last days, is the 2 Witnesses. And they will be killed first.
  8. I have closed this discussion with inChrist, as we have irreconcilable differences. He/she, like everyone, myself included; will experience the end times in the truth of the Prophetic Word. And like many of the prophesies, full understanding will only be gained in hindsight.
  9. I and the Bible agree with this: Revelation 5:9-10, Micah 4:1-5 Marilyn, those people and cults you listed aren't 100% wrong in their beliefs. The Bible is clear, we earth people remain here; now and thru the Millennium. After the Mill, God will come and dwell on earth, so heaven will be here again, as it was in Adams day. Rev 21:1-4
  10. The point will hit you on the Day the Lord takes action. Ezekiel 40 to 45 are the best scriptures that show how it will be soon. But there are others that say God will require sacrifices again: Isaiah 56:6-7 So with all the foreigners who give their allegiance to Me....these I will bring to My House of prayer; their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable to Me. Hebrews 8:4 Jesus is not yet Returned to the earth but there are priests to offer the gifts according to the Law. I fully agree with you, that Jesus gave the one and only sacrifice for the sins of every believer. I say it again; If our Bibles say these latter day sacrifices are for sin, then it's a mis-translation. Scripture does not contradict itself. My REB doesn't. Subject closed, while we await events to unfold. Note: We Christians will be His priests, Rev 5:9-10 Disgusting rubbish! Why can't you read and understand Isaiah 63:1-6 ?
  11. As for what will happen in these last days, most people will be surprised and shocked, as events unfold as prophesied. Those who have ignored, placed them in the past or spiritualized all those clearly stated descriptions to events yet to happen, will be embarrassed and ashamed of their inability to see the truth. And if they have taught false interpretations of the prophesies, they will receive a more severe Judgement. James 3:1 Back to the OP; When does Jesus get His garments splashed in blood?
  12. All of Revelation chapter 7, is describing earthly scenes. Heaven isn't mentioned in that chapter at all. You have just assumed that idea, to suit your false rapture theory. Your quotes from commentators completely fail to address the Biblical truth of how we Christians are now the Israelites of God and the heirs of His promises to His true believers. Acts 2:29, Titus 3:4-7 Romans 9:26 plainly states that it will be in the very place where the ancient Israelites were told they were no longer God's people, that His true Christian believers; Will be called the Sons of the Living God. This conforms with all the OT prophesies saying how the Lord's righteous people will travel to and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 37:29 I have interjected nothing into these Words of scripture. The unbelievable notion of a rapture removal to heaven, is false teaching and will never happen. Hating me for shooting down your precious beliefs, is just a further indictment to your already serious faults.
  13. Marcus, you state your opinion that we Christians do NOT go to Israel, to all of the holy Land. That you are wrong, is plain from the truth that all who remain will be gathered there at Jesus' Return. Matthew 24:31, 1 Thess 4:15-17 But in Romans 9:24-26, it says that Christians, called by God, will be in the very place, [the holy Land] where they [the Jews] were called 'Not My People', and will be called 'the sons of the Living God. This will happen BEFORE the Return, as many prophesies say; Ezekiel 34:11-16 says that the Lord will gather His sheep, soon after the Day of cloud and darkness. [the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, that will clear the Land. Deut 32:43] All those Christians who called out to Him for protection on that Day, Acts 2:21, will travel to and settle into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 66:15-21, + Proved by how they are seen there in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7 Any other scenario simply conflicts with Biblical truth.
  14. Mostly, we have a translation difference. My REB only mentions sin once in Ezekiel 45; in verse 20 - offerings made for inadvertent sins..... The rest of the Temple rituals, are thank offerings and for purification. The thing you need to consider is; when did all what is Written in Ezekiel 40-48 happen? But as is plain; it hasn't happened yet, so when will it happen? Basically the only time period is the last 15/20 or so years of this age; that all of that prophecy, plus many others, telling of how all the Lord's holy people will gather and live in peace and prosperity, in all of the area given to Abraham. This plan of God, of a people who will be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8, has never been fulfilled. Will God fail to accomplish what He has said?
  15. I asked a simple question: In the scriptures that you have posted to prove the rapture, where do they say anyone will be taken up to live in heaven.? What I am doing; is disproving the 'rapture theory'. It is unbiblical and isn't what God actually does plan for His people.