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  1. Good information , Retro, maybe a little more that needed! Also, you confuse the 'wars' to come. They next one is the Lord's Day of wrath, when He alone instigates a terrible Day of fire from the sun. Five attacks yet to happen: The Bible prophets describe five attacks by armies against peoples and entities, that await fulfilment in these end times. They are all described differently and all occur at different times, but the common elements are; they all take place in the holy Land and they are all won by the Lord. In their correct sequence: 1/ The Islamic Confederation attack against the State of Israel. Psalms 83:1-18, Micah 4:11-12 2/ The Gog/Magog attack against the new nation of Beulah. Ezekiel 37-38, Joel 2:20 3/ The conquest of Beulah, by the Anti-Christ. Revelation 13:5-7, Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25 4/ The battle of Armageddon by an army from all the nations, at the Return of Jesus. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:19, Daniel 8:25 5/ The final rebellion against God at the end of the Millennium. Revelation 20:7-9, Daniel 2:34-35 For what reason do they attack? 1a Because of their ancient enmity against Jacobs descendants. Ezekiel 25:1-17 2a In order for God to display His power and to make Himself known to His people and the nations. Before Jesus’ visible Return. Ezekiel 38:23, Ezekiel 39:7 3a The Anti-Christ will break the 7 year treaty with Beulah. Daniel 9:27, Rev 13:7 4a It is Satan’s attempt to prevent the Return of Jesus. Revelation 16:14 5a Satan’s final deception of mankind. Revelation 20:3 & 7-9 What the Lord uses to achieve victory and the results of these attacks: 1b The Middle East is virtually depopulated, by fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis, caused by a massive explosion of the sun. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 30:25-28, Zephaniah 2:4-15, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Zephaniah 1:14-18 2b The entire Gog/Magog army is wiped out, by earthquakes and fire. Ezekiel 38:18-22, Ezekiel 39:3-5, Joel 2:20 3b Beulah will be conquered and the Lord’s people tested. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:31-35, Zechariah 14:1-2, Revelation 11:2 4b The Anti-Christs army is destroyed by the Sword of the Word and he is chained up. Revelation 20:19-21, Daniel 11:25 5b The armies are burned up and Satan is thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:9-10 What happens to the dead? 1c They are burned to ashes by fire from the sun. Jeremiah 11:16, Malachi 4:1&3, Isaiah 33:12 2c They are buried in Wadi Mujib. Ezekiel 39:11 3c Their souls are kept in heaven awaiting Jesus’ Return. Daniel 11:35, Revelation 20:4 4c Their bodies are food for the birds and animals. Revelation 19:21 5c They are totally consumed by fire from heaven. Revelation 20:9
  2. Sorry, I am unwilling to discuss issues with someone who denies what the Bible actually says. People can read Rev 7:1-3 you know! And who twists what I post; nobody becomes immortal until Jesus Returns.
  3. The Day of Trumpets - Yom Teruah, IS a Day that no one can exactly foretell. The sighting of the first sliver of the new moon from Jerusalem, sets the Day and it could be any one of several days.
  4. That your unsupported opinion is completely wrong, is easily seen by reading Revelation 7, the chapter directly after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, where the angels hold back any further damage to the earth. This will last for several years before the Great Trib happens, to allow for God's holy people to settle into all of the holy Land and for the 144,000 to proclaim the coming Kingdom to all the nations. As I said; there will be more Days when the Lord will act in His creation, there were Days in the past and there will be more, culminating in the amazing Day that God Himself comes to dwell with mankind. Rev 21:1-4
  5. What this sign doesn't mean, is the Return of Jesus. Much must happen before that glorious event. It may be the next prophesied event; the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. Quite likely, as that Day will be the Day of Trumpets; Yom Teruah. However there is more signs needed to prove this, such as; where is Elijah? Malachi 4:5 and the loss of Israel's leadership. Isaiah 3:1-7, Micah 5:1
  6. I see the confusion here as people not realizing there are two Days of the Lord. One is the terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, as described in Rev 6:12-17 and in over 100 other prophesies. The second is the great Day of the Lord Almighty: Jesus' Return and Armageddon. Rev 16:14 At the first Day, the Lord is not seen; Psalm 11:4-6, Hab 3:4, Amos 9:5-6, but all the world sees Him at the Return. The Day of wrath, instigated by Jesus alone, Psalm 110:5-6, is the next prophesied event we can expect, it will change the world and all that is prophesied to happen in the last days will take place and then Jesus will return, accompanied by His angels, and commence His Millennial reign.
  7. Correct. 1 Thess 4:15-17 says those who remain, those who survive the G.T., will be transported to where Jesus is, in the clouds, then Jerusalem. Thinking that living Christians go to heaven is illogical and unscriptural. Heaven, in the form of Jesus, comes down to earth and eventually God Himself will dwell with mankind. Rev 21:3
  8. Presumably your scriptures above are meant to prove a rapture to heaven? If so they all fail miserably. Rev 3:10 ...I will keep you from the hour of trial.... This does not say we will be removed, but God's protection, as many other prophesies prove. Rev 4:4..... 24 elders are at God's Throne..... Nothing here about anyone going to heaven. Rev 7:0.... The vast multitude are in Jerusalem, on earth..... Proved by verses 1-3. Rev 11:1.... John measures the temple in Jerusalem..... Do the Gentiles trample the heavenly Temple? Rev 13:6...the 'beast' blasphemes those who dwell in heaven..... God and His angels are there, not humans. Rev 17:14....they will wage war on the Lamb.....These are the leaders of the forthcoming One World Govt. Rev 18:4.....Come out of her, My people..... Get out of 'Babylon', that is: escape before the godless nations are destroyed. Rev 19:1....a vast multitude in heaven..... We know these are the souls of the martyrs, seen first in Rev 6:9-11, as verse 2 says they thank God for His vengeance on their killers. Rev 19:14.....the armies of heaven followed Jesus..... The angelic armies accompany Jesus at His Return. Please come up with a proper exegesis of scripture to prove your beliefs. Just posting verses that do not, makes you look silly.
  9. I couldn't vote on this poll, as I do not see any 'rapture to heaven' anywhere in scripture. The great transformation of the bodies of those found worthy, doesn't happen until after the Great White Throne judgement. Rev 21:6 We are earth creatures, made to live here, God has angels to serve Him in heaven, in the spiritual realm. Note that the holy people of God are present on earth during the Great Trib. Daniel 7:25, Rev 13:7
  10. I have read all the posts on this thread and am astounded at the confusion and denial of most, at the clearly stated prophesies. The Lord will judge the earth, as He did in the days of Noah, this time with fire. His garment splashed in blood is metaphorical, but does undeniably confirm for us that the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, is some time before Jesus' Return. when He comes with garments already blood splashed. Isaiah 63:1 Who is this; coming from Edom, from Bozrah with His garments stained red, moving in His mighty power? It is I; proclaiming victory, I who am strong to save. Bozrah means ‘sheepfold’, and is used here as a metaphor for those nations where His sheep – every true Christian believer is at present. Matthew 15:24 The Lord, in His mighty power, proclaims victory and saves His people. This is His great Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 34:1-8, Rev 6:12-17 Isaiah 63:2-6 Why are Your clothes splattered with blood? I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I trod the nations in My anger and My clothes were stained. No one came to My assistance, by My own might, I brought victory. I shattered My enemies in My fury, their blood spilled on the ground. Luke 20:43 & Acts 2:35 The Lord said to my Lord: sit at My right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Psalm 110:1 Hebrews 10:12-13 Christ, having offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, took His seat at God’s right hand and now waits until His enemies are made His footstool. From these verses, it is made quite clear that Jesus does not Return in His glory until His enemies are ‘made His footstool’. That is they are punished and defeated. But it is ‘the Son of man’- that is: Jesus Himself who actually instigates this Day of vengeance. This accords with; Luke 3:16-17...the chaff He will burn on a unquenchable fire. Psalm 18:7-15...He makes darkness His covering, hail and glowing coals go before Him. But on that Day, He will be revealed to His people, those who believe and trust in His salvation. Zechariah 9:14-16 The Lord will appear over them, His weapon will flash like lightning – He will save His people. Ezekiel 20:9-11 & 36 Isaiah 60:1-3 Over you the glory of the Lord has dawned, though darkness covers the earth, on you the Lord shines and over you His Glory will appear. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10....the Day the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire, punishing the godless peoples, He will reveal His glory among all believers. Luke 17:29-30 On the day Sodom was destroyed, fire and sulphur rained upon them and killed them all. It will be like that on the Day the Son of Man is revealed. Isaiah 24:23b In Luke 4:18-19, At the commencement of His ministry, Jesus quoted only verse 1 and the first half of verse 2 of Isaiah 61:1-2. The second half is unfulfilled prophecy – ‘A Day of vengeance of our God and to comfort those who mourn’. Many other prophecies confirm that this Day of vengeance and wrath is the next action of the Lord on the earth and as the rest of Isaiah 61:3-11 state, it is also the time He will ‘ comfort those who mourn’. That is: people who grieve for Christ’s death and trust in Him for their salvation. Note that the Lord has blood stained clothes, then much later at His Return in glory, Revelation 19:13 He is ‘robed in garments dyed in blood’. This proves that the Day of vengeance is before His Return. Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine with 7 times its normal strength on the Day I save My people. Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people, Your anointed ones. You shatter the house of the godless to its foundations. Zechariah 10:5-6 Destruction of enemies, then restoration for the true believers of God. 2 Peter 3:12 & 14 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, for that Day will set the heavens ablaze and melt the elements with fervent heat. In expectation of all this, my friends, do your utmost to be found at peace with Him, unblemished and above reproach. Ref. REB. some verses abridged. Verse 13 refers to the New heaven and earth, to come at the end of the Millennium, Revelation 21:1, but before that, more than 40 other prophecies categorically state how His Christian people will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah.
  11. When the Son of Man comes: Luke 17:29-30 On the day that Sodom was destroyed, fire and sulphur rained upon them and killed them all. It will be like that again when the Son of Man is revealed. Amos 4:11-12 Matthew 24:37-42 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Son of Man comes. In the days before the flood, they ate, drank and married until the day that Noah entered the ark, they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be again when the Son of Man comes. Genesis 9:11-14 My covenant to never again destroy all living creatures by a flood is confirmed by the sign of the rainbow. Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35 I have sealed in My storehouse, ready for the Day of punishment and vengeance, a fire that will be set ablaze by My anger. It will envelope the world in flames, burning to the depths of the earth. Jeremiah 50:25 Psalm 110:1-6....I shall make Your enemies Your footstool....In glorious majesty, You judge the nations, shattering the wicked throughout the world. Isaiah 24:18-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish in heaven the host of heaven and on earth the leaders of the nations are caught and punished. The sun and moon will be darkened, for the glory of the Lord will be in Jerusalem and is revealed to the elders of His people. 2 Peter 3:5-7 & 10....the world before Noah was destroyed by a great flood. Now, by God’s Word the present heavens and earth are reserved for burning, kept for the Day of judgement when the godless will be destroyed. That Day will come unexpectedly, the sky will dissipate with a great noise and the earth will be enveloped in flames. All its inhabitants will be tested. Isaiah 66:1-6 My people are oppressed and afflicted and evil people displease Me, they say: Let the Lord come, we do not believe in Him. Therefore, the noise you can hear is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes. Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27 Matthew 24:40-44 There will be two men in a field, one will be taken the other left, two women at the mill, one will be taken, the other left. Keep awake, therefore for the Lord will come unexpectedly. Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the godless nations, in His power and majesty, He tramples them in His fury, their blood spills out and splashes His garments. At the Return He comes in blood splashed garments. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10...the Day the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire….He will reveal His glory among all believers. Revelation 14:1 What we can understand from the above Bible passages, is that the Day of the Lord, when the Son of Man takes action, is not Jesus’ Return as the Word of God, for the Millennium reign. At the Return: ‘all will see Him’, not as in this Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, where He is not seen: Psalms 18:11, Luke 3:17, but ‘His glory will be revealed to all believers’. 2 Thess. 1:10 God promised to ‘never again flood the earth’, but He has ‘stored up a fire that will envelope the earth in flames’, a worldwide judgement/punishment, so vividly described by all the prophets. This terrible fire and devastation will come upon the world unexpectedly, ‘While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, then destruction is upon them’. 1 Thess. 5:3 Huge numbers will be killed by the fire, earthquakes and the resulting famines afterward. Jeremiah 9:22, Isaiah 34:1-8, Ezekiel 30:2-5 The Lord is not seen on that Day, but His people are saved and protected, [not raptured] Isaiah 30:26, Isaiah 43:2, Zechariah 9:5-16 Then, as in Ezekiel 20:33-38...by My outpoured wrath, [The Day of wrath] I shall bring you out of the nations and gather you back to Israel. The Lord is: ‘Waiting to show you His favour’, and to bless His true believing Christian people as they fulfill the promises to the Patriarchs and their destiny: ‘to be a light to the nations’. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 62:1-5
  12. So, don't make the mistake of thinking that Gentile Christians are somehow better off than "OT Saints" or that they have the monopoly on God's blessing or His "church!" Quote Retrobyter. Thanks for your linguistic expertize. I do not make that mistake. The true people of God have always been those who have faith in Him. Abraham is our example. Pauls teaching in Galatians 3: 26-29 ....there is no such thing as Jew and Gentile, slave or freedman, male and female, you are all one in Christ. Yes, the gates of the New Jerusalem are named after 12 sons of Jacob, but God only knows who belongs to those tribes today and we see in Isaiah 66:21, that the Lord will assign His people into one of the twelve tribes according to their abilities and characteristics. That is how the 144,000 are selected out of the vast multitude of Rev 7:9
  13. At Jesus’ first Advent, He devoted His ministry to the Jewish people, in the holy Land. He said: I was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel and to them only. Matthew 15:24 So the Jews were lost spiritually, but so were the rest of Israel, in dispersion. Paul alludes to them; Acts 26:6-7, and 1 Peter 1:1 and James 1:1 also mention those who still remain scattered among the nations. The Jews were and still are aware that the majority of Jacobs descendants have not yet come back to the holy Land. Note the prophecy of Caiphas: that the death of Jesus would result in the gathering of the scattered children of God. John 11:49-52 John 7:35….will He go to the dispersion among the Gentiles and teach Gentiles? Now, nearly 2000 years later, we can see how things have panned out. The Jews remain in apostasy and people from every race, nation and language have become Christian. Only a small proportion of the Jews have become Christian, but millions of other peoples have accepted the Gospel, but just how many are actual descendants of Jacob, God only knows. Amos 9:9 However, in order to fulfil what Jesus said about the lost sheep of Israel and so as God will fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs, most of the people who will go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of wrath, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17, will be Israelites. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 8:24-26 This ‘Church’, comprised of every born again individual, is no more a new ‘church, or congregation’, than the one of Ezra and Nehemiah’s time, made up of the faithful remnant who returned from Babylon and is simply a continuation of all the faithful ones, such as Enoch, Noah and Abraham. The Jews who have accepted Jesus are members of the Israel of God, along with all righteous believers, as Isaiah 56:1-8 makes clear. Many scriptures reiterate the truth of there being only one people of God, John 10:16, Ephesians 4:4-6. Those who refuse Jesus’ offer of salvation, be they Jew or Gentile, all belong in the other category; godless people who are doomed for destruction. Isaiah 66:15-17 God doesn’t have any special plan for anyone who rejects His Son. The apostate Jews have been broken off from the fig tree and they, plus the ungodly Gentiles are now vessels of God’s retribution. Romans 9:22 Just as there is one ‘olive tree’; Jesus, there is one holy people of God; His ‘ay-daw’; Hebrew, His ‘ekkelasia’; Greek, His ‘kurikos’; Greek, meaning ‘belonging to the Lord, the word that ‘church’ comes from. It isn’t that God has taken away the special status of ethnic Israel and replaced them with the Gentiles, but they as a nation have rejected their Messiah and so God rejected them and now offers salvation to all peoples. Matthew 21:43, Romans 3:29 Born again Christians, the sheep of Jesus Christ’s flock, John 10:14-16, are deemed by God to be the Seed of Abraham and it is them alone, who are the true Israelites of God. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Galatians 3:26-29 The real fulfilment of God’s promise to Abraham, that he would become the father of many nations, is seen in the myriads of Christians from every ethnicity. Whatever our ancestry may be, if we are by faith and self surrender, a true Christian, then we are of the Seed of Abraham and we are the inheritors of the promises God made to him. Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11
  14. There is just no scripture that proves your belief. You are deceived if you think you will be taken to heaven without any testing of your faith. Daniel 11:36, the changing to immortality does not happen until the end of the Millennium. Revelation 21:11-14 You are right, that those killed for their faith; from Stephen to the Day Jesus Returns, will be resurrected then, Rev 20:4 But all the rest of the dead must await the GWT Judgement.
  15. Why must I correct you, as you constantly mis-read my posts? Prophecy is plain: the forthcoming disaster by fire from the sun, will come upon the whole world over. Zephaniah 3:8, Luke 21:35 As there is no such thing as a rapture removal to heaven, we who stand firm in our faith and call upon the Name of the Lord, will be protected from harm during this terrible one day event. Over 30 Bible verses prove this protection that God will do for His people. My doctrine, that I believe is plainly supported by scripture, whereas your rapture theory has no clear verse to prove it. In face many verses say such a thing as a general rapture, as you envisage, is impossible.