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You aren't going to divert attention away from Jesus Christ the "Seed" who fulfilled all covenants and promises made to Abraham, yes it's that simple! Sand as the sea, stars of heaven, many nations, are through the "Seed" singular, you haven't pulled the wool over my eyes! Galatians 3:16KJV 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

It's very simple, all promises and covenants made to Abraham were fulfilled in Jesus Christ "Seed" Singular, end of debate Galatians 3:16KJV 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

As stated sever times, a pre-trib rapture dosent exist in scripture, feel free to post your scriptural claims, waiting?

I agree, I was caught in the grips of dispensationalism for 20 years, never really challenged the teachings in the Chuck Smith Calvary Chapels of the 70'-80's The Lord opened my eyes with 2 Thessalonians 2:3 showing the (Man Of Sin) will be revealed to the Church on earth, removing the pre-trib claim, gone! It was after this awakening, I went on to study where it started, what dispensationalism was, its founders and key players, a "Spiders Web of Deception"!

Ok, thanks for the input, I have read your responses every time, I'm not fully in disagreement

There isnt a Millennium of 1,000 years between verses 23/24 as you claim The scripture is plain and simple, when Jesus Christ returns the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) It's amazing, you actually claim a 1,000 year Kingdom exists between verses 23/24, hard to believe, really hard to believe, bold in adding something not seen, real bold! 1 Corinthians 15:22-24KJV 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Yes the day and hour no man knows is when Jesus Christ returns on the last day, it's called by many to be the "Second Coming" Yes it will be a future generation, that will be eyewitnesses of the return 1. What is near even at the doors? The Lords return 2. What is the day and hour no man knows? The Lords return It's a "Future" generation that will be eyewitnesses of the Lords return Matthew 24:32-36KJV 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Scripture clearly states "Raised From The Dead" will you continue to argue? John 12:1KJV Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

Josephus is a Jewish traitor to his people, adulterer, and Roman propagandists for the Emperor, of no value I have the written word of God, who needs Josephus 70AD fulfillment is a farce, the events mentioned are future

I disagree Preterism is measured by three items in the Olivet discourse below If you believe any one of the three have been fulfilled below your a "Partial Preterist" If you believe all have been fulfilled your a "Full Preterist" If you believe none have been fulfilled your a "Futurist" 1.) Matthew 24:15, Daniel's AOD 2.) Matthew 24:21, The Great Tribulation 3.) Matthew 24:29-30, The Second Coming

I disagree, many believers are futurist including myself There will be a future Antichrist a literal human man, a future Abomination of Desolation, a future Great Tribulation, a future Second Coming

There is only one future second coming, and that's whats seen in Matthew 24:29-30, and several places in scripture

Jesus Returns Immediately "After" The Tribulation Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Semantics in my opinion, just as "Trinity" or "Rapture" aren't in the bible but we know well what they mean Yes Jesus Christ returns on the (Last Day) there wont be any following, Lazarus was (Raised from the dead) in a mortal body not resuscitated, I fully agree with the glorified body received as described Now, what is the day and hour no man knows? John 12:1KJV Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

The ten virgins parable show nothing more than the "Second Coming" not a pre-trib rapture

You continue to refer to Paul as the scapegoat, he was a repentant sinner, chosen by God C.I. Scofield lived for 37 years in Adultery, and died in the sin in 1921, he produced his reference notes and 1909 bible while actively in this sin My bible teaches Adulterers wont be in the Eternal Kingdom, let alone protect their teachings as valid

Can we agree (the day and hour no man knows) is the second coming of Jesus Christ?

The great tribulation is future, 70AD Preterist eschatology is a farce The church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation and second coming, just as scripture teaches below Luke 21:25-28KJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

C.I. Scofield was a false teacher, there isnt anything true about dual covenant theology, nor is his pre-trib rapture found in scripture Scofield lived in the sin of Adultery for 37 years, and he remained married to a woman who wasn't his wife until his death in 1921 Scofield is a corrupt tree, and his 1909 reference notes are corrupt fruit Matthew 7:17-18KJV 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Your teaching is error, you fail to see the Church is the Israel of God, your problem There aren't two groups, there is one (The Church) the Israel of God Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below 1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews) 2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church) Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple Romans 9:6-8KJV 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below Matthew 21:43KJV 3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 1 Peter 2:9KJV 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

No confusion whatsoever, the rich man was in Hell, and this Hell is where the wicked unsaved go to presently when they die, feel free to believe as you wish My King James Bible says "Hell" and that's exactly where it's at, simple and very easy to understand

Tell that to the rich man in Hell, who mistreated Lazarus below Luke 16:22-24KJV 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

The Lake of Fire is the Eternal final death Revelation 20:14-15KJV 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So you can better understand the propaganda surrounding the pre-trib rapture, in the 70's-80's they created several low budget movies to display the pre-trib teaching, as people are raptured away, with Antichrist death squads seeking those that refuse the mark, no medical, food, run and hide! These propaganda movies pushing fear were played in churches across America on Friday/Saturday nights for "Decades" The Rapture Propaganda Movies: A Thief In The Night (1972) A Distant Thunder (1978) Image Of The Beast (1981) The Prodigal Planet (1983)

Believers are to reprove sin,preaches are to expose and preach against sin, adultery, fornication, etc It's your desire to see God fearing believers remain silent, as the wolves take over the sheep fold C.I. Scofield, Hal Lindsey, John Hagee, Adulterers No it's not ok for people to be inside of the church and to be on 2nd, 3rd, 4th marriages while there spouse lives (Adultery) No it's not ok for people to run about in the church committing sexual fornication Your direction would be to remain silent, everybody is a sinner? "Wrong"!