JoeCanada

Rev man.... thanks for your response. Once again we are going to butt heads. Now, with all due respect..... I find myself in total disagreement with pretty much everything you have shared. As you have many, many times declared.... "I have been called to prophecy.... I now more than anyone else about Revelation, and prophecy"..... Please correct me if I am wrong..... and that you didn't say those things. Because you are pre-trib.... I have a really hard time believing anything you say/interpret about Revelation, Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Isaiah... Matthew, Thes 1&2, Corinthians, Luke.... etc. You say that you will be out of here BEFORE the 70th week of Daniel starts... before the Great Tribulation.... and then you go about trying to interpret the Book of Rev, the Book of Daniel....etc Why should anyone believe you? And please.... don't tell us that you are leaving information for those who are "left behind" Anything that doesn't line up with the pre-trib dogma falls into the category of... metaphor, analogy, its prose...it doesn't really mean that.... its anything but what is actually written. Its like you are saying that God the Holy Spirit has Alzheimer's or something..... like He can't say what He means. Euphrates River is a metaphor for "plagues"? ROFL.... you're killing me brother.

THREE FROGS........... "Ribbit" Rev 16:13-14: " I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty" Why does Satan (the dragon) need something extra to fight against Jesus? The Antichrist (the beast) is not enough. Apparent immortality is not enough. Satan and the Antichrist need demon spirits to deceive the kings of the world. And what does the symbol of a frog mean? They, frogs, come out of the "mouths" of the dragon, the antichrist and the false prophet. They issue forth from these three. Might they have something to do with "words".... as they "come out of their mouths"? .... maybe. Frogs are also amphibians. Might that have something to do with "fallen angels"?....... reptilian fallen angels....... maybe angels posing as reptilian aliens??? ..... again, maybe. Frogs are a strange symbol in Scripture. The only other place in the bible where frogs are mentioned to any extent is in the Exodus Saga. Frogs were one of the plagues.... they came out of the river and annoyed, aggravated, infuriated, and exasperated the Egyptians ...... in their houses, their beds, during their meals, etc. Are the frogs then a symbol of constant wearing on the nerves by persistent aggravation? ......Maybe. Why do the dragon, beast and false prophet send out these frog demon entities? Has their power somehow diminished? If the antichrist is in command of most of the nations of the earth, in charge of everyone whose names are not written in the Book of Life, and they worship him (AC), then why can't he order the kings of the earth to do what he wants them to? Why does he have to use deceptive spirits? After Jesus appears in the sky at the 6th seal, it is at that point the antichrist's power is greatly diminished. There are two things that Jesus does to the antichrist, and they are mentioned in 2 Thes 2:8: "And then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and will bring to an end with the brightness of His coming" Jesus brings him, the antichrist, to nothing or to an end, and then afterwards He will slay him at Armageddon. That's why the antichrist has to send evil spirits..... to convince the kings of the world to come to Armageddon. His power is mostly gone.... he can't order them anymore.... he has to deceive them. So deception be the three spirit-like-frogs is what finally gets the world to Armageddon. Once the armies get there......... their fate is sealed, as described in Zechariah 14:12: "Now this will be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth" Deception got them to Armageddon. But...... it's really their refusal to repent that ultimately causes them to experience the last and final plague. Jesus speaks the Words....and pronounces His final judgment over them.... and they rot while still standing. " And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores, and they did not repent" Rev 16:11

A great explanation by the late Dr. Michael S. Heiser: Have we Translated Genesis 1 Wrong All this Time?! You Tube

Yeh some of them do…where does it say that in scripture for my reference? 2 Thes 2:3-4 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. There's also Dan 9:27... Dan 11:31... Rev 11:1,2... Matt 24:15...

Yes... good point. I think that it stems from a lack of understanding of the Cross.... the MYSTERY of the Cross. When Jesus said "I'm going up to Jerusalem and the Son of Man is going to be crucified"... Peter said "Not so"..... Then Jesus rebuked Peter and said to him..."Get behind me Satan"...."you don't know the spirit that you're of".....(my paraphrasing) Much of the church has forgotten Jesus' teachings. They want a "feel good" sermon and an "atta boy" slap on the back. "Nope.... don't want any of this....I'm going in a pre-trib rapture" Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me."

Yes.... they want religion. They don't want Jesus.

The coming Messiah..... True or False Messiah?...... or both? Scripture teaches us that there will be a coming Messiah..... both a true Messiah and a false messiah. It is the false messiah that will be the focus of this post. The big question is HOW is this false messiah, the antichrist, the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction, the wicked one....... going to deceive churchgoers, Jews and maybe even some Christians, that he is their true messiah, that he is God and that he will give them what they're looking for. And what Israel has wanted for 2,000 years is another temple. Jews believe that the coming Messiah will build their Third Temple. Well, they are correct. Jesus will build the temple at the start of the millennium. But the one coming first will be the deceiver, the false Messiah...... and...... Satan's man Antichrist (the false Messiah) will give them exactly what they want...... the Third Temple..... and they will be totally fooled. 2 Thes 2: " the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all powers and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness...." " God will send upon them a strong deluding influence so that they may believe what is false" This will be deception "el grande". The grand-daddy of all time deception. Satan is going to go "full on" because "he knows his time is short". Now I know what many Christians will say. This just isn't going to happen because the Antichrist isn't going to sit in a rebuilt temple. Instead he is going to sit in the hearts and minds of Christians as per Paul's teaching in 2 Thes 2:4 and 1 Cor 3:16: " so that he takes his seat in the temple of God" " Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" Satan will reside in the hearts and minds of Christians???????????????? NEVER! That is an impossibility. Whoever says this is completely wrong. Period! Why? Satan is not omnipresent. Only God is. Also.... if Satan were to sit in the hearts and minds of Christians, that would present a salvation issue, a lack of salvation.... because the Holy Spirit for believers is there right now. And God will not share a place in out hearts with Satan, or anyone else for that matter. "How can any one enter the strong mans house and carry off his property unless he first binds the strong And then he will plunder his house"......... Mat 12:29 Satan cannot bind the Holy Spirit. That also is impossible. It is true that when Jesus was crucified, the Temple curtain was torn in two. There is no longer a need for another temple built by human hands for the purpose of a blood sacrifice to take away sins. Jesus completely took care of that. He was the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world"....John 1:29 But the Jews never accepted Jesus, nor His sacrifice. They still carried on sacrificing even well beyond the destruction of the second temple. THEY want another temple. And according to scripture, they will have one. I've heard Christians say that it will take too long to build a third temple. Really. Have you ever seen Jehovah's Witnesses build their church? I have. In the town I was living, about five lots down, they raised a church. It only took about 4 days. Incredible. They also do not need a temple to resume the daily sacrifice and offering..... did you know that? Also.... just to be clear. These sacrifices are not efficacious, they will not take away sins. It has nothing to do with believers. This is something that the Temple Institute feels that it has to accomplish. If we look at Zech 6:12-13 .....we see that it it the Lord Jesus, who is called the Branch, that will build the Temple in His millennium reign. So the One who is coming will deceive the Jews into believing HE is the Messiah. And he will have all sorts of special powers to prove himself. "If anyone says to you, Behold, here is the Christ, or there He is.... do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead if possible................. even the elect".................... Matt 24:23 - 25

Ok... So I think what you are saying is, "pagan Rome", when it is completely "no more", is then replaced by "papal Rome", sometime around 467 (you maybe meant 476). The Christian Church will then replace it (pagan Rome) and these "people" will now serve under the "prince" who is the little horn. So the Christian Church is "papal Rome"? Is this correct?

Who then, is this "prince" that will rule over the people who would destroy Israel. Do you mean Jerusalem?

Charlie.... This is a rather "strong" statement. Are you referring to "national Israel"?..... Those unrepentant Jews?..... The Pharisees?...... Certainly God will never turn away a repentant sinner, whether Jew or Gentile. All have access to the Throne. ?????

Hi Charlie, The "prince to come" is an angelic being.... (demonic) We know this from the angel Gabriel's words to Daniel: "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia."...Dan 10:13 "Then he said, “Do you understand why I came to you? But I shall now return to fight against the prince of Persia; so I am going forth, and behold, the prince of Greece is about to come."...Dan 10:20 "“However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael your prince."....Dan 10:21 Jerusalem is destroyed by people related to the ruler to come.....ie: "the prince to come". We know from history that Jerusalem was actually destroyed in 70 AD by Syrian and Arabian men fighting as soldiers.....in Roman uniform..... in the Roman auxiliaries and legions. The two main legions that set fire to the temple were the Legio X Fretensis and Legio X11 Fulminata. The soldiers in these Legions were Syrians and Arabs. The Syrian Legion X11 Fulminata had an intense hatred for the Jews especially after their humiliating defeat at the Battle of Beth Horon in AD 66.............. they were looking for revenge. So.... NO.......... the people of the prince who is to come do not represent the Roman people. The people of the prince who is to come, those who destroyed the temple, represent the Arab people.....Syrians.

Maybe he is. He is only one among many. He may have talked about it, but there is one in office that openly does it..... against women and children. It sounds like you are suggesting that this 'despicable man' that you name will take over "the kingdom." Which kingdom will he take over?

I agree. However, Hebrew does have antecedents and pronouns like English, so we shouldn't just wave the hand and discount a passage where rules of grammar conflict with our understanding. But.... we can look at Daniel 9:24-27 in a Chiasmus (chiastic structure). The outside A + A' panels are parallel to one another. They suggest that the two accounts are plainly two different accounts, but are related to one another. And indeed they are. They contrast God's plan to establish Christ's Kingdom in Israel at the end of a 490 year period in verse 24.... with Satan's counterfeit plan to establish the Beast's kingdom in Israel within a seven year period at the end of Israel's history in verse 27. Note the first marker set "weeks" where "seventy weeks" echoes "week" but it is referring to the seventieth one..... A + A' The second marker set (B + B') shows when God announced making "reconciliation for iniquity", which would be thru Christ and put an end to sacrifice.... it was perverted by Satan and his Antichrist by only putting "an end to sacrifice and offering". The sacrifice is simply ended. The third marker set (C) is God saying His people Israel would "anoint" the Most Holy..... but Antichrist did the opposite of anointing or consecrating by making his temple desolate. These parallel structures of the markers in Dan 9:24 and 9:27 seems to show how "hell" would try to foil God's plan at the last minute (the 70th week).....that Satan would make his own decree replacing God's determination in verse 24, and would establish his own kingdom by making Jerusalem, God's Holy City, desolate. The arrangement of these two verses suggests one reason why the 70th week (with tribulation et all) must occur is to allow Satan to counterfeit God's plan and lead many astray. The B + B' converge towards the center of the passage.... and since they are converging, they are both part of the same course of events. This is appropriate, since the outer A + A' panels give a summary of the prophecy, and the narrative of the seventieth week itself. However, the inner B+B' panels are different, they give an account of Israel's history from the sixth century BC to 70 AD. The central message, though, is reserved for panel C only to highlight the very central thought of all of the seventy-weeks prophecy and therefore of Hebrew Daniel. The central panel C is the arrival of Christ the first time and how He was received. The B+B' panels frame the central panel. The B panel tells us of events prior to Messiah's coming, including the Jewish people getting ready which includes the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The B' panel, which shows events after Messiah, shows Jerusalem being destroyed. Panel B talks about Messiah the Prince and in the second panel B' speaks of the people of the prince who is to come, ie. the antichrist. Jerusalem is destroyed by people related to the ruler to come. This was fulfilled in 70 AD by Syrian and Arabian men fighting as soldiers in Roman uniform in the Roman auxiliaries and legions. Rome tried to stop them from burning down the temple. The most inward markers contrast the building Jerusalem versus destroying Jerusalem. Therefore the main themes of the B+B' panels are a ruling prince....Christ or Antichrist.... and the city itself to be ruled, either being built up or torn down. The central message for the entire seventy-weeks prophecy contained in panel C is that Jesus Christ will be rejected by Israel at a specific time and cut off so He does not rule Israel. Therefore, the B+B' panels are arranged in perfect converging structure to highlight the making ready prior to Messiah's first arrival, and the destruction to occur after Messiah is rejected. Contrast the central message of Hebrew Daniel: "And after sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, but not for Himself" with that of Aramaic Daniel in 4:37 shows a great contrast: "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of Heaven, because everything He does is right and all His ways are just. And those who walk in pride He is able to humble" What stunning contrast! Daniel 9:24-27 basically says that the Jewish nation will reject their Messiah and have Him crucified. As it says in John 1:11 "He came to His own and His own did not receive Him" The Aramaic side of Daniel, in which gentiles are the audience, we see the most powerful gentile king praising God and extoling and honoring Him. Though Nebuchadnezzar lived 5 centuries before Christ, the king's testimony is for all gentiles since the message of Aramaic Daniel applies even to the end times as Daniel 7 testifies. ------------------- Chronicles of the end times.... Mark Davidson

I have to disagree with you on this Charlie. Let's look at Daniel 9:26: And the first part of 9:27: "And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week" So the "he" in 9:27 is a pronoun..... and the closest antecedent before it is in 9:26..... "the people of the prince who is to come" And you have identified that the "prince who is to come" is the "little horn" Then in 9:27..... " he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering" The "he" is a pronoun and the antecedent is once again the "prince who is to come" Had the scripture instead read "and after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah will be cut off but not for Himself, and the people shall destroy the city and sanctuary..." ...... then yes, the next few "he's" would refer back to the Messiah. But because another character is introduced, ie "the prince who is to come".... you would need an antecedent to clarify who it is that is being talked about.

Yes... so true. They would watch some reality TV show or a movie..... but read an article?.....Nah! Tic Tok ..... Tic Tok..... Tic Tok...... that's where its at today. Stimulation for the mind! Bill Gates was said to have said to "cut down 70 million acres of trees in order to fight climate change" (whether true or not) Trees eat carbon dioxide and release oxygen. You're right, it is completely absurd. Climate changes in cycles. El Nino and La Nina for example. Was there climate change in the dust bowl of the 1930's?.... Well nobody attributed that climate change to anything. It was natural. ---------------------------- I have for years been telling my friends and family members and warning them of the dangers that I see coming upon the world. Their response: "Oh Joe, you're just a conspiracy nut.................. You read too much.................. Where did you learn that from, the computer.......... Oh uncle..... oh dad........ oh brother....... etc etc. A very few have listened. One day they will look back and say...."you know, I think he was right"