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  1. Good grief! ......................................
  2. Hi iamlamad, Well, things just don't add up. Europe.....Middle East.....Africa....... The total land mass of these areas are...Europe 10,180,000 sq km...Middle East 9,000,000 sq km..Africa 29,648,000 sq km...... approx 49 million sq km Total sq km of land on earth is......148,326,000 sq km. So the areas you propose are 1/3.....not 1/4. Your words...."That would be Europe, Middle East and Africa" "What it DOES say is that God would LIMIT them in their theater of operation to only 1/4 of the earth. In other words, the Red Horse and rider to start wars ONLY in this 1/4th of the earth. The black horse and rider could not bring famine in any other part of the world: ONLY in this 1/4th. There is a big difference between 1/4 and 1/3. God knows the difference between 1/4 and 1/3. I don't think you do.
  3. Hi iamlamad, Scripture doesn't actually state that it is "power over an area". There are 1.6 (+-) billion Muslims in the world. That's approximately 1/4 of the population. They are spread across the globe, virtually in every country. If the call for jihad goes out, perhaps from Mahdi, and Muslim's responds to that call, then we would see global mayhem on a scale never seen before. "Authority was given them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth".....Rev 6: 8b I'm not convinced that it is a "land mass". Perhaps we should look at this another way.
  4. Anti-Christian violence has continued to spread across the West African nation of Burkina Faso, with a further four believers shot dead in cold blood at the end of June. According to Christian Persecution charity Open Doors USA, on June 27, heavily armed militants were spotted entering the village of Bani with the aim of hunting down followers of Jesus. The small community was gripped with a paralyzing fear as the militants proceeded to order everyone to lie down. Then, a search ensued. The terrorists had one clear mission: find those who claim Jesus as their Lord and savior. They searched tirelessly for anything that might identify the individuals as Christ-followers. Then, tragically, they succeeded—four men were found to be wearing crosses around their necks. As soon as it became clear that these men were Christians, they were dragged away from the group and brutally executed. Their names were David Zoungrana, Philippe Zoungrana, Theophile Ouedraogo and Ernest Kassoaga. “At this stage, we don’t know their ages or anything about the families David, Philippe, Theophile and Ernest left behind,” wrote Lindy Lowery at Open Doors USA. “Just that they followed Jesus—and their faith was part of them. They weren’t afraid to make a public statement of their belief in an area known internationally for its display of seven adobe mosques–six of which are built at the top of Bani’s main hill.” Unsatisfied with their murderous acts, the men then went on to torch David Zoungrana’s shop. The group then headed through another town, Pougrenoma, where they warned residents, under pain of death, against reporting the incident to any government or military officials. The militants also ordered that any Christians in the community must convert to Islam or risk execution. Some 27 Christians have been murdered in Burkina Faso since February 27. Heartbreakingly, the number of attacks against communities of faith has increased dramatically in recent years. In 2016, there were 12 reported jihadist attacks, in 2017 there were 33 and in 2018 this number rocketed up to an astonishing 158.
  5. Hi RM, Here is a short article from Joel Richardson on the 2300 days/evenings. THE 2,300 EVENINGS AND MORNINGS OF DANIEL 8 One of the Danielic passages that has plagued interpreters is Daniel 8:14, wherein two angels, Gabriel and another, are discussing the vision of Daniel 8, specifically the little horn, the desolating sacrilege he will carry out against the Jewish temple, and how long it will take for these things to be completed, until the temple is “properly restored”. The specific time frame designated is “2,300 evenings and mornings.” In this short article, I will explain my conclusion concerning this time period. Because this commentary pertains only to a small segment of the larger passage, I should say that I espouse the “consistent-futurist interpretation” of this passage. What this means is that many futurist interpreters look at the vision of Daniel 8 and divide it into two segments. Verses 3-8, which speak of the ram, the goat, and the four conspicuous horns that emerge out of the goat, are interpreted as being historical. Verses 9-12, which speak of the little horn, are interpreted as having an historical fulfillment in Antiochus Epiphanies, but only as a type, whereas its ultimate fulfillment is in the last days in the person of Antichrist. The consistent-futurist interpretation views the whole vision as having its ultimate fulfillment in the last days. The events of history serve only as a type. Now let’s consider the meaning of the 2,300 evenings and mornings. After seeing the vision of the ram, the goat and the small horn, Daniel then overhears one angel ask the other, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” (v. 13). The answer, given by the second angel is: “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored” (v. 14). A straight-forward reading of the text would inform us from the time the small horn begins his acts of desolating and trampling both the temple and the holy people, until the temple is restored, there will be “2,300 evenings and mornings.” The question is, what exactly does this mean? Commentators are thoroughly divided. According to John Walvoord, determining the meaning of this riddle has sparked, “almost endless exegetical controversy.”1 There are five primary opinions among interpreters. We will consider each view below. The year-day interpretation: The first approach, what we can call the day-year interpretation, holds that the 2,300 “evenings and mornings” should be understood symbolically to refer to 2,300 literal years. This view has been espoused by Seventh Day Adventists Uriah Smith, Jacques B. Doukhan, and Desmond Ford.2 This approach was also used by William Miller (d.1849), leading him to claim that Christ would return sometime between 1843 and 1844.3 Of course, when Christ didn’t return, the resulting disillusionment among students of Miller became infamously know as “The Great Disappointment.” Most commentators today are divided between those who believe the 2,300 evenings and mornings simply refer to 2,300 actual days, and those who argue that “evenings and mornings” should be understood as separate units, thus leading them to divide the number 2,300 in half, pointing to only 1,150 days. The 1,150 day interpretation (applied to Antiochus): According to John Whitcomb, the “1,150 day theory face insuperable obstacles.”4 Foremost among these obstacles is the timeframe of Antiochus’ acts of desolating the temple. In December of 167 BC, Antiochus’ men set up an altar to Zeus in the temple. Just over three years later, he died on December 14, 164 BC. This simply doesn’t equate to exactly 1,150 days, falling short by about two months. The 2,300 day interpretation (applied to Antiochus): For those who seek to connect 2,300 days to the historical career of Antiochus, the same problems persists. 2,300 days, roughly six years and four months, simply does not align with the period of time that Antiochus desolated the temple. Stephen R. Miller takes this view, placing the terminus a quo, or beginning point of the 2,300 days with the murder of Onias III, the former high priest, in 171 BC.5 But Gleason L. Archer Jr. rightfully highlights the problems with this view: Moreover, there is not the slightest historical ground for a terminus a quo beginning in 171 B.C. While it is true that the interloper Menelaus murdered the legitimate high priest Onias III in that year, there was no abridgment of the temple services at that early date. It was not until the following year that Antiochus looted the temple of its treasure, and the abolition of the tāmîd [the daily offering]… did not take place till 167.6 Even John Walvoord, who himself also holds this position, comes across as quite resigned to the fact that this view is far from precise: Although the evidence available today does not offer fulfillment to the precise day, the twenty-three hundred days, obviously a round number, is relatively accurate in defining the period when the Jewish religion began to erode under the persecution of Antiochus, and the period as a whole concluded with his death.7 Needless to say, the best this view can offer is a vaguely close match to an ill-defined period of persecution. Worse yet, the the text simply does not refer to a general persecution, but is quite specific in referring to the ceasing of the “regular sacrifice” and the trampling of the “holy place.” Ultimately, the inability of either number, 1,150 or 2,300, to align with the period of Antiochus’ persecution leads us to conclude that this portion of the vision is not ultimately pointing to Antiochus’ historical persecution of the Jewish people, but instead, it must apply to the Antichrist, and is yet to be fulfilled in the future. But we are still left with the question as to which number is correct, a full 2,300 days or half that time, pointing to 1,150 days. The 2,300 day interpretation (applied to Antichrist): I believe that any serious consideration of the arguments for both positions will lead one to acknowledge that a far more solid case stands for 2,300 days as opposed to half that number. C.F. Keil has set the bar in offering the best argument for this position, devoting nine pages to this one issue. His argument summarized is that the phrase “evenings and mornings” would have been clearly understood as referring to a single day and a “Hebrew reader could not possibly understand” it to mean anything other than 2,300 days.8 Keil points out that in Old Testament usage, an evening and morning specified a complete day. This is the usage throughout the entire first chapter of the Bible in fact, describing the first week of creation: “And there was evening and there was morning, one day” (Gen. 1:5). It is the same usage during the flood wherein we have “forty days and forty nights” (Gen. 7:4,12). And so also is the phrase “three days and three nights” used to simply refer to three days as in Jonah 1:17 or by Jesus in Matthew 12:40. And finally, in Matthew 4:2, we read that after Jesus “fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.” Jesus fasted for forty days, not twenty, and certainly not eighty. Conclusion: What time period within the Antichrist’s career then does the 2,300 days point to? I believe there are two good options, depending on how one translates and understands verse 13. Both the KJV and the NIV for instance, read as if the angel is listing three or four things that fall within the 2,300 days: How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (KJV) “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the LORD’s people?” (NIV) The first view then, looking to such translations, sees the 2,300 days as applying entirely to the tāmîd (the daily sacrifice); its beginning, ceasing, and finally its restoration. This view then would start counting the 2,300 days when the regular offering is reinstated, early on in the first half of the final seven years before Jesus returns, and see its conclusion when the temple or sacrifices are restored, shortly after His return. The second option, supported more by the NASB translation, sees the 2,300 days as revolving around the desolating acts of the Antichrist, particularly as they apply to the tāmîd daily sacrifice. This view then begins counting when the regular offerings cease, at the middle of the week, when the Antichrist begins his work of desolation and concludes after Jesus returns and the temple is rebuilt and restored. Because the time of the Antichrist’s desolations within the temple lasts 3.5 years, this leaves approximately 1,040 days, or roughly two years and ten months after Jesus’ return, until the temple is completely restored. Regardless as to which view one takes, what is clear is that neither 1,150 or 2,300 days can be made to apply to Antiochus in a way that clearly satisfies the text.
  6. Hi Spock.... "I think most agree, we go back to the OT times when the HS no longer INDWELLS people," Joel 2:28 says...."I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, your sons and daughters will prophecy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days" God is going to "pour out His Spirit" not revert back to OT times. It will be the greatest period of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that the world has ever seen.
  7. Hi Spock.... How does one differentiate between "Saints"....and so-called "Tribulation Saints"? Or....."Old Testament Saints"...."New Testament Saints"...... and so-called "Tribulation Saints"? I don't see scripture differentiating these groups. Do you? ALL are one in Christ Jesus. When the Lord comes for His righteous ones, the graves will open and the dead Saints will rise....then the Saints who are alive will meet them and the Lord in the clouds. I see no other "First Resurrection". Pre-tribbers believe that the Holy Spirit is the "restrainer" in 2 Thes 2. And when He is removed, then so is the Church. This has mega problems. If people see a special group called "Tribulation Saints"......then the question is.....How did these so-called saints become saved during the Trib? The notion that God would send a group of believers through the darkest time this world has ever known without the Comforter is hard for me to grasp. How about you? Besides, how could the folks the pre-tribbers refer to as "tribulation saints" have gotten saved in the first place without the Holy Spirit? No one can be saved except the Spirit of God convinces them of their lost condition and reveals Christ to them. To say there will be people saved during the tribulation without the Spirit of God flies in the face of Biblical teaching about salvation. The grace of God is more than a contract to go free from the consequences of sin. It is the presence and strength of God's Spirit abiding in the heart of the believer, giving us the power to become the very sons of God. There is no other way of salvation! Here is something vital to understand about this issue. The pre-trib doctrine (dispensational theology) teaches that tribulation saints are NOT saved like we are. They prove their faith by their willingness to die for God. They are saved and enter the Kingdom of God through their martyrdom!........Does this not sound like Islam to anyone but me??????? How can "tribulation saints" be saved apart from the indwelling of the Spirit? Scripture tell me if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them they are not even His. Who should I believe?.......Who do YOU believe? The indwelling Spirit of God IS the resurrection power! No Holy Spirit------------- No Resurrection!
  8. Hey OC, " The church is not mentioned again after Chapter 3 of Revelation (except the final salutation)." Well, that statement is not correct. In the Book of Revelation, the Greek word "ekklesia", which is translated "church" is ONLY associated with the names of the seven churches in the Letters to the Seven Churches. The universal church isn't mentioned at all by using that word. However, believers are mentioned and are referred to as "bond servants" and "saints", and these references are found throughout the book. In 1Thes 4:16-17, the most famous rapture passage of all, the word "church" is not found. Does this mean the church is not raptured? The word "church" is completely absent from the books of Mark, Luke, John, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John and Jude. Does this mean that these entire books of the Bible do not apply to the church? The word "church" is absent from one location in Rev where we would most expect to find it: before the throne in heaven in Rev 4-5. And, not only is the word church absent in these chapters, but so are all mentions of saints or bond servants. "Bond servants" is used of the members of the church in Thyatira (Rev 2:20) and in terms of the martyrs who die at the hand of the harlot (Rev 19:2) Rev 1:1 and 15:3 makes reference to John and Moses being bond servants. Perhaps bond servants are the most faithful of Jesus' servants. "Saints" are used a dozen times between Rev 1 and Rev 19: The antichrist makes war with the saints (Rev 13:7) Captivity and death by the sword will require perseverance and faith of the saints (Rev 13:10) Avoiding the mark of the beast (Rev 14:11-12) Saints are more than tribulation saints, they are the complete Bride of Christ: "Let us rejoice and be glad and give glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His Bride has made herself ready" It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints"...Rev 19:7-8 If the word "saints" in Rev 4-19 only refers to Trib Saints, then only THEIR righteous acts would adorn the "Bride of Christ". Obviously no one believes that. One should quit trying to "invent" ways that the church is present in that heavenly scene, or not present in other heavenly scenes, to justify its contention that the rapture occurs in Rev 4:1.
  9. Hi Justin, Koodos.....good article. And for those who still disbelieve a Wednesday Crucifixion, here is another article I was just about to post. Anyone interested can read it here: http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/3days3nights.html
  10. Hi JLB There are many.....but here you go https://watch.pairsite.com/macarthur-1-mark-of-beast.html
  11. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14430/christians-africa-persecution Persecution of Christians in the Middle East is now close to "genocide", a UK-commissioned report just revealed. The same threat has also become critical for Christian communities in Africa. Some say it began in Algeria in the 1990s, when 19 monks, bishops, nuns and other Catholics were killed during the civil war. Since then, in Nigeria, Christian faithful have been massacred in their churches; in Kenya, Christians have been killed in universities; in Libya, Christians have been beheaded on beaches; in Yemen, nuns have been assassinated and in Egypt, massive anti-Christian violence is prompting an exodus. It is the new African archipelago of persecution. Distressingly, these Christians have been finding themselves in the blind spot of the West: they are "too Christian" to get the Left's attention, but too far away for the Right. Africa's Christians are orphans. They have no "allies", John O'Sullivan writes. Christian families recently fled the city of Diffa, in Niger, after Boko Haram delivered the message: "You have three days to go or you will be killed!". "There is no Christian anymore in this town", someone reported to the non-governmental organization, the Barnabas Fund. The town, Arbinda, is in Burkina Faso. Numbers are telling: 82 pastors, 1,145 Christians and 151 households have fled from violence in the Muslim-majority nation. Just in the last few weeks, several of the Christian faithful and clergy have been murdered. Jihadists killed six Christians in a Catholic church in the town of Dablo. A pastor was murdered in an attack in Silgadji, Catholic parades have been targeted. Jihadists apparently want to "cleanse" these areas of Christians -- and they are succeeding. "There is an atmosphere of panic in the town," the mayor of Dablo, Ousmane Zongo, said. "People are holed up in their homes, nothing is going on. The shops and stores are closed. It's practically a ghost town". In Nigeria, attacks on Christians never stop. The country has become a "war zone for Christians". "The attacks on Christians are growing more flagrant and more aggressive," Father John Bakeni from the Maiduguri Diocese, northern Nigeria, said. "We consider each day we live in safety a blessing because we do not know what will happen the next day". "We Christians are at risk of extinction and an attempt is being made to Islamize the whole country because controlling Nigeria means expelling Christians from all of West Africa", said Father Joseph Fidelis Bature, a Catholic priest in the Nigerian diocese of Maiduguri, in the Italian monthly Tempi. Unfortunately, we Westerners have a short memory. Al Qaeda's first attacks took place in Africa: the bombings against US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Africa matters for the West. That is why we should take this monstrous new anti-Christian persecution more seriously. "Christianity originated in the Middle East", the Egyptian Coptic Pope Tawadros II said in Germany, where he was inaugurating a new Coptic church in May for his exiled community. "Thus, the displacement or evacuation of Christians from the Middle East is very dangerous for the safety of the region, not only in the Middle East but also in the Mediterranean Sea region. Europe is affected by this, and the Arab countries as well". The West should take much more seriously these appeals from the Eastern Christian leaders. With a secularized Europe and a Middle East close to becoming emptied of Christians, those jihadists who are obsessed with eradicating Christianity understand that their current ideological battlefield is in Africa. "By 2025, 50 percent of the (world's) Christian population will be in Africa and Latin America", wrote the scholar Philip Jenkins. The share of the world's Christians in sub-Saharan Africa is expected grow from 24% in 2010 to 38% by 2050. That is why jihadists there are pursuing a horrific project of religious cleansing. "Christianity has literally 'gone south', exploding demographically in the developing world and augmenting ongoing sociopolitical turmoil in places such as West Africa", the Pew Forum reports. Radical Islam wants to stop this demographic movement, which Professor Philip Jenkins called "the largest religious change of any kind that has ever occurred". According to another report, in one century the number of Muslims living in sub-Saharan Africa has increased more than 20-fold, rising from 11 million in 1900 to 234 million in 2010. At the same time, the number of Christians has grown 70-fold, rising from 7 million to 470 million. Sub-Saharan Africa now is home to 21% of all the Christians in the world and 15% of the world's Muslims. "Islamic extremism has two global centers of gravity, one in the Arab Middle East, but the other is in sub-Saharan Africa", researcher Ron Boyd-MacMillan noted in a report for Open Doors. Every year, Open Doors lists the world's 50 worst persecutors of Christians. The list include 14 African countries, called home to "extreme" or "very high" levels of persecution: Algeria, the Central African Republic, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, and Tunisia. Mali, for instance, went from no listing to seventh place in just two years. In Kenya last year, Islamists forced passengers of a bus to present their identification cards. Then they separated Muslims and killed the two Christians. Regrettably, the tragedy of these massacres of Christians is directly proportional to the neglect with which they are reported in the West. "One of the basic facts of contemporary religious history is that Christians around the world are persecuted on an extraordinary scale", Ross Douthat recently wrote in The New York Times. Jihadists know a secret: persecution works. Algeria -- the country of origin of some of the Christian fathers such as Augustine of Hippo -- has become a country that is 99.9% Muslim and where officially there are "no native Christians". How many other countries will meet the same fate? And will the West ever come to the help of their Christian brethren?
  12. In 2 Thes 2:1....."Now we request you brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him" Paul then goes on to say...."Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless...." What does he refer to........"it will not come unless"? Does it not refer to "the coming of our Lord and our gathering together to Him".....? Logically, it does. So, how does it make any sense what-so-ever, to then say....." the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (second coming) and out gathering together to Him (rapture) won't happen until the (removal of the church happens first)???????? If the church is removed, who is the Lord coming to gather to Himself????? "Lucy, dyou ha sum esplainin' to do"
  13. Hi Rebecca, I think we could file this one under....."Wars and rumors of wars"....in the Matt 24 Olivet Discourse
  14. Hi JD, If we look at the Roman Legions at the time of Titus, they were a mix of ethnic composition. Because Rome had spread out so far, they could no longer fill the military with Italians only. So they recruited locally. The auxiliary armies under General Titus were a mix of soldiers......Arabians, Celts, Egyptians, Syrians, Moesians..... but mostly Arabian and Syrian. According to the historian Josephus, two unidentified soldiers wearing the uniform of the Roman legions, started the fire that ultimately consumed the Temple in Jerusalem. Josephus also writes that Titus didn't want the Temple damaged, as Titus was in awe by the grandeur of it......(Josephus, Flavius, The Complete Works, The War of the Jews) The "people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary"...... It was either Arabian or Syrian soldiers who actually torched the temple. They had such a hate for the Jews that they could not resist burning it down, against the wishes/orders of Titus. Micah tells us this: And He will arise and shepherd His flock in the strength of the Lord. In the majesty of the name of the Lord His God and they will remain (Heb. meaning “live in safety”), Because at that time He will be great to the ends of the earth. This One (Jesus) will be our peace when the Assyrian invades our land, when he tramples on our citadels. (Micah 5:4-5) This is the reference to the Antichrist who Jesus defeats at His coming. Isaiah also refers to the Antichrist in this passage: And the Assyrian will fall by a sword not of man, and a sword not of man will devour him. So he will not escape the sword, and his young men will become forced laborers. His rock will pass away because of panic, and his princes will be terrified at the standard,” Declares the Lord, whose fire is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem. Behold, a king will reign righteously and princes will rule justly. Each will be like a refuge from the wind and a shelter from the storm, like [a]streams of water in a dry country, like the shade of a huge rock in a parched land. Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded, and the ears of those who hear will listen. (Isa. 31: 8 – Isa. 32:3) A second passage from Isaiah: Now in that day the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel. A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God. For though your people, O Israel, may be like the sand of the sea, Only a remnant within them will return; A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness. For a complete destruction, one that is decreed, the Lord God of hosts will execute in the midst of the whole land. Therefore thus says the Lord Godof hosts, “O My people who dwell in Zion, do not fear the Assyrian who strikes you with the rod and lifts up his staff against you, the way Egypt did. For in a very little while My indignation against you will be spent and My anger will be directed to their destruction.” (Isa. 10:21-25) This passage is very obviously about the end-times and not about ancient times. The phrase "a complete destruction, one that is decreed" is a direct quote from Daniel 9:27, which is the primary verse about Daniels 70th week. I don't see the Antichrist be head over a revived Roman Empire at all.
  15. Well, giving up is hardly a way to end a discussion. If you are giving up because there is no answer to what you claim is "the arrows are the Gospel going forth with the first horse that has only a bow"........... then I understand. We can't "add" things to what is written. If the arrows are the Gospel going forth, as you stated......and there are no arrows, then there is no Gospel. If the bow is the Gospel going forth.....then that's a different story. This will need some explanation though. Yes, I do know where Paul got his Gospel from, though I have no idea why you think it's relevant to the "bow with no arrows". And no, I don't want to argue. I do like discussing things. And when I hear someone making claims which are not scriptural, then I question it. We've been down this road before. I'll keep questioning. Respectfully.......
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