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  1. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    Hi MM..... You really have to think this thru. First, there is the Resurrection/Rapture. This comes before the 70th week. Then, 42 months are a time of peace....people accept the mark of the beast....they buy and sell.....some go into bondage and some are killed....slavery....Israel renews animal sacrifices...... ....THEN the first seal opens?.....at the midpoint? So the 42 months that follow the Resurrection/Rapture are a time of peace. Where does this peace come from.? We know that the first seal brings in the Antichrist who brings with him a false (peace) treaty. But you are saying that this does not happen till 42 months later, at the midpoint, where the first seal opens........ which brings another X number of months of peace? How do people accept the Mark of the Beast prior to the beast being revealed.....after the midpoint of the 70th week?...prior to the seals being opened? How does Israel renew animal sacrifices prior to the Midpoint, which is prior to the seals being opened? Who is it that puts people into slavery....kills them.....prior to the Midpoint when the seals are opened? There are just too many questions.......unanswerable and illogical with the Resurrection/Rapture happening before the 70th week, and then the seals not starting to be opened till the Midpoint of the 70th week. Maybe you have some answers and logic on these questions.
  2. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    Hi MM.... Ahhhh.....more confusion. So the first 42 months are a time of peace....people accept the mark of the beast....they buy and sell.....some go into bondage and some are killed....slavery....Israel renews animal sacrifices...... THEN the first seal opens?.....at the midpoint?
  3. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    Hi MM.... How can that be?..... Revman says that the seals don't begin to be opened until the MIDPOINT....that's 3 1/2 years after the said rapture. So,... are saying that the Antichrist comes into the picture after the supposed rapture...... 3 1/2 years BEFORE the first seal is opened?
  4. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    Hi Revman.... I believe you stated that the Church will be raptured before the 70th week starts You also stated that the seals are opened at the Midpoint of the 70th week. So my question is this. What happens between the Church being raptured at the beginning of the 70th week, and the seals being opened at the midpoint of the 70th week? That is a 3 1/2 (+-) years span of time.
  5. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    Hi Revman.... It is not because of the events of Seals 1-5 that people will so terrified of God that they will seek to hide from Him after the opening of Seal 6. If God's wrath had been being poured out upon the earth before that point, the people of the earth would have run and hid long before then. It is not until after the opening of the Sixth Seal, with the onset of the clear and distinct signs caused by God in the sky above (Revelation 6:12b,13), and with the appearance of God on His throne (6:16)—viewable, I believe, by everyone on earth—that people will have no doubt that God is exceedingly angry and is ready to dispense His wrath upon the earth. This wrath will not have yet occurred; it will be about to occur. Here is an analogy. A couple plans to get married, so many preparations take place—sending out of invitations, buying the wedding dress and the tuxedo, choosing the wedding participants, decorating for the reception, etc. A friend of the couple observes everything that is going on; however, it is not until the actual wedding day, walking into the church, that he says to himself, "The day of their wedding has come." The wedding has not been taking place prior to that day; rather, all of the preparations are about to culminate in a marriage ceremony. The guest knows that he will be (not already has been) a witness of the wedding about to happen. Similarly, once everyone observes the distinct signs in the sky, different from anything that ever has taken place in human history, and including the observation of Jesus in earth's atmosphere, they will know that the wrath of God is about to be doled out upon them. It is only then that they will run and hide in utter terror. The events described after the openings of Seals 1-5 will be, primarily, a result of Satan's increasing intervention into world affairs, with governments fighting, changing, and collapsing relatively quickly, along with an escalating persecution and killing of Christians and Jews. With everything in such chaos, it will be very difficult or impossible to curb great famines and plagues, which will get completely out of control. During this period, I believe that God gradually will remove His protective hand from the earth, and natural disasters, such as great earthquakes, will become more and more commonplace. Those people who will be slain and their blood shed after the opening of the 5th Seal are saved believers (who have not yet been raptured), and they will cry out to God to judge the inhabitants of the earth and to avenge their blood: They will have been slain "because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God" (20:4b). Subsequently, God will emerge from His dwelling place in heaven to punish the people of the earth, via His wrath, and it will be principally to avenge the blood of those slain upon the earth: God's judgment of the earth will not already have taken place, nor even yet have begun, during the events of Seals 1-5. It will be imminent with the opening of the Sixth Seal, and it will commence after the opening of the Seventh Seal. The souls of saints, killed during the Great Tribulation, will cry out for God to avenge their blood by judging the inhabitants of the earth. Consequently, when God hears this cry, He will respond with vengeance (which has the same root as avenge), on behalf of the saints and of Israel (which will devastated throughout the Great Tribulation period). This vengeance will take place during the subsequent "day of vengeance" or "day of His wrath" (Isaiah 34:8, 61:2, 63:4; Revelation 6:17). This "day of vengeance" will encompass the Trumpet Judgments, which will be the initial wave of God's wrath and probably will last for a year: the seventh year of the final seven years—that is, the last "day" of the 70th Week. Then the Bowl Judgments will be the final wave of His wrath, lasting for 30 days, and culminating in the Battle of Armageddon. The "day of vengeance" will be the initial, year-long portion of the Day of the Lord period, which then will continue, throughout the Millennium, as the most glorious time on earth.
  6. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    Hi Revman... “ How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days…” Dan 12:12 So......How does the Holy Spirit explain this blessing to you?.....
  7. JoeCanada

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Isa 34:8.......For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. Isa 61:2......To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; Isa 63:4......For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
  8. JoeCanada

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Hi Hadasa.... The 144,000 are sealed AFTER the 6th seal. AFTER the 6th seal is the Resurrection, Rapture of the righteous in Christ. Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event. The 7th seal then opens up the Lamentations and Woes of God's Wrath, the trumpets and seals. There is no time for the 144,000 to declare the gospel to the world.
  9. JoeCanada

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Hi Hadasa.... The following scripture is from Rev 7. It follows Rev 6 where the first 6 seals have been opened/unsealed..... And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. (Rev. 7:2-4)......( note...they only have the seal of God ) So these 144,000 are "sealed". And sealed is usually a term that means saved. ( Eph 1:13, 4:30....2Cor 1:22 ) Why are these 144,000 chosen to be sealed? It is these who place their faith in Jesus when He appears in the sky, prior to the Rapture. In Rev 14, we see them again.... Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads . . . These have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, (Rev. 14:1,4) Now we see that they have the name of Jesus and the name of God the Father written on their foreheads. And we are also told that these are redeemed from mankind as "first fruits". They are saved at this point. It is the first fruits of the harvest that BEGINS when the fullness of the gentiles has come in; the moment after the partial hardening has been lifted.......they can then come to faith. Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob” (Rom. 11:25-26) The "fullness of the gentiles has come in" is a harvest term, the "gathering in" of the crop. So, after the full number of the gentiles to be harvested have been saved, it is only then that the "first fruits" of the Jewish harvest would begin. In ancient Israel, the first fruit offerings were given to God, with a "pledge" that the rest of the harvest would come in. All of Israel is not saved when Jesus comes on the clouds....(Rev 6:16, Rev 1:7, Matt 24:30, Mark 13:26 ) The prophet Joel says that prior to Jesus coming on the clouds, God will send His Spirit in the form of dreams and visions.... And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. (Joel 2:28) This will be a mighty move of the Holy Spirit, and will prepare the apostate remnant for what comes next.... And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. (Joel 2:30-31) After the great move of the Spirit of grace depicted in Joel 2:28 and Zech. 12:10 comes the Celestial Earthly Disturbance, the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12-15 and Matt. 24:29. Joel continues..... And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. (Joel 2:32) Now we look at the testimony of Revelation..... The 6th seal is opened and we see the Celestial Earthly Disturbance.....Rev 6: 12-14, Math 24:29, Joel 2: 30-31 Jesus is seen coming on the clouds and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.......Rev 6: 15-17, Math 24: 29-30, Rev 1:7 The 144,000 are then sealed. They call upon the Lord....Rev 7: 1-8, Joel 2: 32 This small group of first fruits of the Jewish remnant is then raptured into heaven with the saints of all ages....Rev 7: 9-17 They escape the "Day of the Lord"....Joel 2:32 This then fulfills the ancient prophecy from Isaiah.... In that day the Lord will start his threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the Lord in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:12-13) ---------------------------------------- So, this is all scriptural. Nothing here is of my own opinion or interpretation. I have yet to find ANY scripture that supports the notion that the 144,000 of Rev 7 will evangelize the world, or that they will be sealed before or at the beginning of the tribulation.
  10. JoeCanada

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Hi Hadasa..... Rev 14..... the new song is NOT the everlasting gospel. "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders; and no man could learn that song but the 144,000, which were redeemed from the earth...."...Rev 14:3 No man could learn that song but the 144,000. The new song is not the everlasting gospel.
  11. JoeCanada

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Hi Hadasa.... You said......"I can prove with scripture that she was snatched up and this is why it is purposed for the the woman of Rev.12 = the Bride in her immaculate image." . I'm an EX-catholic for many years, but I've never seen any proof. Not by any priest or anyone. It was always 'inferred'. So......let's have it then.....the scripture proof. You also said....."the Rev.14 144,000 they are not the same as the Rev.7 144,00". Well, I'm interested in hearing "WHY"...... again, scriptural support please.
  12. JoeCanada

    1260, 1290 1335 days of Daniel

    Hey Joe... Yowser.... that would take some getting used to for sure. But like you say....fun to read.
  13. JoeCanada

    1260, 1290 1335 days of Daniel

    Hi Steve.... So really, there are two questions to answer here. Is it 2300 evenings PLUS mornings.....(1150 days).....or 2300 evenings and mornings (2300 days)? We know that Jesus doesn't return until 1260 days after the Abomination of Desolation is set up. So how can the smaller figure of 1150 days relate to this time period? It can't. I just don't see it fitting. "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the Abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.....Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the thousand three hundred and thirty five days"....Dan 12: 11-12 "And the evening and morning were the first day"....Genesis 1:5
  14. JoeCanada

    The context of 1 Thess 5:1

    only those with the Holy Spirit inside them will hear it..... so it's going to be a secret then its the Jews that MUST REPENT before the 70th Week prophecy can come to pass...... please provide scriptural proof The Trumpet in Matthew 24 is Jesus telling an Angel to CALL US IN HEAVEN........Notice, we are gathered from the FOUR CORNERS OF HEAVEN, we are in Heaven Marrying the Lamb, so f course the ELECT are Gathered from Heaven. ..........you're putting in words here. They are gathered together from the four winds, EARTH.......I don't believe HEAVEN has four winds Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.............. It was John who was called up....."I will shew THEE"....singular, "you" The TRUMPET is Jesus CALLING us to the Marriage in Heaven...........COME UP HERE !! His voice REVERBERATES like an Earthquake !!.........First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”........ So lets finish 1Thes 4:16......AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST. THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR........SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THESE TWO VERSES. ONE IS JESUS CALLING US UP TO HEAVEN AND THE OTHER IS JESUS COMING FOR US...AND WE MEET HIM IN THE AIR the Trump via the Angel is calling us to go back to Earth to battle the Beast. The LAST TRUMP is the Trump that ends he Harvest or Church Age on Earth. Its a SPECIFIC CALL unto the Church to leave the Earth.......DOESN'T MAKE SENSE " And many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many".....Math 24:11.........verse 11 is about the 2000 year Church Age, not the Tribulation period................AH YES, Lets pick and choose what doesn't fit. That is why the FIRST DAY in Genesis is a PERIOD OF TIME that lasts 9.2 Billion years. Not ONE 24 Hour Day.........ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS????? This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard......You are obviously NOT a creationist. As I have proven, this BEFORE here in Hebrew means IN HE PRESENCE (in the face of) of the Day of he Lord, so DURING the DOTL the Sun and Moon will be darkened etc. etc. Not BEFORE the DOTL comes........Well well, The Holy Spirit says BEFORE...you says its not before.....Hmmmm, who shall I believe The Day of the Lord is a 3.5 Year Period of Gods Wrath. It starts with the FIRST SEAL and ends with the 7th Vial......Scripture has 3 witnesses to the Day of the Lord being a year long.........but you say "Firstly, quoting a scripture means nothing as pertaining to who is right or wrong.......Well, I guess that's it in a nutshell about your belief in scriptures
  15. JoeCanada

    1260, 1290 1335 days of Daniel

    Hi Diaste Not a stupid question at all. They start at the Midpoint, at the AofD. 1260 days till the Lord physically comes back, on the ground. Then 1290 days for the sheep and goat judgment, then 1335 for the cleansing of the temple. No overlap. 1260 days, followed by 30 days (1290) then 45 days (1335)
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