firestormx

In the spirit

Amen, maybe time for a little inward reflection and prayer on why when I believe with all my heart this is of GOD, I felt the need to respond the way I did. GOD Bless OLDSHEP and thanks again

So at the the end of this, you have no other verse to support your view about dreams and visions, although I provided a witness in daniel. I disagree about paul and the apostles. Not that they didn't have a special annoiting they did, just that there is NO annoiting to get GOD to contradict himself or his word. I believe we are at a stalemate with this, niether of us having our mind changed. I believe our disscussion of this should stop that this thread may continue on it's purpose. I pray you drawn into a closer walk with him, and may GOD the Father and Yeshua Bless you and Keep you in perfect peace.

the scripture is true. and means what it says, but paul was an old man when he had his visions. How do you explain that. i answered you. I believe the verse is talking about spiritual and physical age, otherwise paul contridicted it. GOD don't contridict himself for no one. Can you provide me with another verse. if you can't then I'm left with believing you have built this doctrine on 1 verse regardless of it's meaning.

I feel the same, in all my experience with prophecy, and Thus saith the Lord's, I correct believers that set times, years or dates. I have had God tell me this will happen the next day, or the money will be there tomorrow. Never a far out date though, as God always said "And it shall come to pass." Also be Warned, or something Horrible........... Is not in line here. Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. Even things not pleasant coming from God was full of Mercy, and I was given exact detail on what to do. Like the little boy I had been praying for was going to die. I was told why even, and what to do and what to say to the Mother. He died just as the Lord said, and I already had the plan. This is vague, and we are told to "Pray" about it........ Economic ruin........ I trade the money markets and can assure everyone the Dollar and Euro are already both in the tank. In the last days there shall be perilous times....... (Tim) The Horseman mocked him................................ If in a vision a creature came and told me something mocking me, I would call him a lair and rebuke him, or at least when I regained my senses from the vision. I had Satan try to dupe me once. In the vision he appeared just as Jesus did in another vision. Full of light. He took me to a room and I saw something that greatly hurt me inside, He said that I needed to know this. It took me a couple days, but after seeking God and reading that passage in James again, I caught that liar and discounted everything. I have to say that is not God. I am not denying that he did not see something or hear something. I just question the source. Blessings. it is proper and biblical to question the source, all I ask is you take it to GOD. If I'm wrong then pray to him to give you the wisdom and words to show me my error however he sees fit.

I have answered you, now I ask for the same respect, go look at post #88, then lets see if you can back up your belief with more than one verse.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel. God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams? As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question. And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise? Forbidden? Never said it was forbidden, just that scripture tells us it would be like this. Care to explain why scripture would tell us that the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams, yet you claim to be able to do both? Are you both young and old? Does scripture not mean what it says? By the way, do you always scream? It's unscriptual the statement above is what you said. If something is unscriptual then it's lies and the doctrine of the devil. so if your gonna acuess me of that, spreading lies, (which is how your words were recieved, not in love but in accussation) you better be able to back it up. thats why I have responded the way I have, because of what you have by implecation accused me of. I've shown in scripture, that it is possible. the fact it was an Old testament person is unimportant. Most of the end time prophcies are old testament, but there still valid. the old testament has the new testament in it hidden, paul said that. everything in the new testament is in the old. everything! To say the old testament is no longer bearing, is out of date. or don't apply to us at all, is just wrong. if some applys then all of it does, but must be seen through the crucifiction and resserection of Christ. rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't make a doctrine from one verse. I've repeatedly asked for scriptual proof that GOD can't and won't do it now. when you do provide this, or conceed your wrong and it's not there I will then answer your questions. Until then I respectful will not answer you Yes, claiming to have both dreams and visions in the NT age, or church age, goes against scripture. You added the rest yourself. Yet, like whall1971, you also are refusing to give us your understanding of what the scripture about vision and dreams mean. Why is that? What does the scripture in Acts 2 and Joel 2 mean? Edited to add that I never said the OT is unimportant, no longer having bearing,out of date, or that it does not apply. You are assigning meanings to my words that are not there. Please use my own words and do not assign anything to them. That is a form of lying. i told you, answer my question and I'll happily answer yours. I've been asking for an answer longer. Where dose it say GOD can't and won't. that it is beyond the abillity for GOD to do now. Show me. then daniel is an example that applys I am afraid you tell nobody nothing. This is a forum where people converse, not order people around. If you have carefully read what I have posted, I did answer your question You know I'm sick of this conversation, so After praying I will answer your question. You asked me about the verses in joel and in acts. The verse you have been speaking of the most is Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: No scripture is a doctrine all it's own, but must be look at in the light of the context upon which it was spoken and the rest of scripture. Paul was a new testament servant of christ who had visions. before his conversion he was a pharissess. They had to be full of age, or 40 to be that. In that time it was not young but old. it was years later that paul recieved the last of the visions of christ he recieved. he was physically old. John , the one who recieved the book of revelation was older by that days standard and ours. the verse states old men shall dream dreams, but both of them had visions. How can this be? There can only be one explaination for this. the verse in acts and joel isn't speaking of just a physical age but a spiritual and physical age. an example would be, someone who was older but a babe in christ (young) or someone who was young in earthly age but mature (old) in the lord. there by one person can be both. Paul was scriptually and without refute older when he had his visions. I see no other possible doctrinal answer. if an older person in physical age can have visions, then GOD can give anyone a dream or vision he chooses to. You have built your entire arguement on this one verse. that is unscriptual. Now I've answered your question. Please answer mine, can you give me another verse?

firestormz - Why do you proclaim it to be this year? I've been in the Lord for over 35 years, and throughout this time have heard many date-setters and time-frame propheciers, yet none have come to pass. I'm not mocking, just wondering why I should believe someone's actually got it right this time? I also know that if God said anything like "soon", just remember that Jesus said He was coming back soon 2000 years ago! Because that's what I was told in a vision. not the christ was coming back this year. simply that what I had been shown over and over, something horrific would take place this year. Not trying to be contentious, but you aren't the first to proclaim something like this on the Board. So, I am very reluctant to blindly accept this. "Let everything be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses." Were you given any "witnesses" to this revelation? You should be hestiant to accept it, and I've never asked anyone to blindly accept what I've said. thats not proper. just requested that each person take this to GOD for yourself. Also yes there are others who have been shown the same, but it's not my place to speak for them.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel. God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams? As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question. And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise? Forbidden? Never said it was forbidden, just that scripture tells us it would be like this. Care to explain why scripture would tell us that the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams, yet you claim to be able to do both? Are you both young and old? Does scripture not mean what it says? By the way, do you always scream? It's unscriptual the statement above is what you said. If something is unscriptual then it's lies and the doctrine of the devil. so if your gonna acuess me of that, spreading lies, (which is how your words were recieved, not in love but in accussation) you better be able to back it up. thats why I have responded the way I have, because of what you have by implecation accused me of. I've shown in scripture, that it is possible. the fact it was an Old testament person is unimportant. Most of the end time prophcies are old testament, but there still valid. the old testament has the new testament in it hidden, paul said that. everything in the new testament is in the old. everything! To say the old testament is no longer bearing, is out of date. or don't apply to us at all, is just wrong. if some applys then all of it does, but must be seen through the crucifiction and resserection of Christ. rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't make a doctrine from one verse. I've repeatedly asked for scriptual proof that GOD can't and won't do it now. when you do provide this, or conceed your wrong and it's not there I will then answer your questions. Until then I respectful will not answer you Yes, claiming to have both dreams and visions in the NT age, or church age, goes against scripture. You added the rest yourself. Yet, like whall1971, you also are refusing to give us your understanding of what the scripture about vision and dreams mean. Why is that? What does the scripture in Acts 2 and Joel 2 mean? Edited to add that I never said the OT is unimportant, no longer having bearing,out of date, or that it does not apply. You are assigning meanings to my words that are not there. Please use my own words and do not assign anything to them. That is a form of lying. i told you, answer my question and I'll happily answer yours. I've been asking for an answer longer. Where dose it say GOD can't and won't. that it is beyond the abillity for GOD to do now. Show me. then daniel is an example that applys

firestormz - Why do you proclaim it to be this year? I've been in the Lord for over 35 years, and throughout this time have heard many date-setters and time-frame propheciers, yet none have come to pass. I'm not mocking, just wondering why I should believe someone's actually got it right this time? I also know that if God said anything like "soon", just remember that Jesus said He was coming back soon 2000 years ago! Because that's what I was told in a vision. not the christ was coming back this year. simply that what I had been shown over and over, something horrific would take place this year.

I never thought of what the snow could represent, or that it was important. I look forward to discussing this with you further

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel. God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams? As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question. And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise? Forbidden? Never said it was forbidden, just that scripture tells us it would be like this. Care to explain why scripture would tell us that the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams, yet you claim to be able to do both? Are you both young and old? Does scripture not mean what it says? By the way, do you always scream? It's unscriptual the statement above is what you said. If something is unscriptual then it's lies and the doctrine of the devil. so if your gonna acuess me of that, spreading lies, (which is how your words were recieved, not in love but in accussation) you better be able to back it up. thats why I have responded the way I have, because of what you have by implecation accused me of. I've shown in scripture, that it is possible. the fact it was an Old testament person is unimportant. Most of the end time prophcies are old testament, but there still valid. the old testament has the new testament in it hidden, paul said that. everything in the new testament is in the old. everything! To say the old testament is no longer bearing, is out of date. or don't apply to us at all, is just wrong. if some applys then all of it does, but must be seen through the crucifiction and resserection of Christ. rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't make a doctrine from one verse. I've repeatedly asked for scriptual proof that GOD can't and won't do it now. when you do provide this, or conceed your wrong and it's not there I will then answer your questions. Until then I respectful will not answer you

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel. God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams? As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question. And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise?

Are you kidding me right now? Please tell me your joking? Are you really going to tell me that... WOW! ok, Christ came to fullfill the law not to do away with it. Everything you find in the NT you can find in the OT. If God can use Daniel in that way he can use anyone that way provided they seek him enough. Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand??? Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong. Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ... Acts 2:17-21 New King James Version (NKJV) 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’ Joel 2:28-32 New King James Version (NKJV) God’s Spirit Poured Out 28 “And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. 29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. 30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 32 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the Lord has said, Among the remnant whom the Lord calls. The fact peter quoted it in the new testament is not the point, it is a OLD TESTAMENT verse. you can't pick and choose which verses you like and which you don't. GOD choose to give daniel both. It's doctrinal, also the verse you quoted never says ONLY these will revieve dreams and ONLY these will get visions. So I still await the SCIPTUAL PROOF that it is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both DREAMS and VISIONS to the same person.

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy. I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural. "It is not scritural" WOW! you need to read your bible! This shows in a sad way how people are lacking in their relatioship with God. If God is confirming this same thing through so many how is it that you aren't seeing it? Just because it has not been revealed to you does not mean it can't happen. Remember it is important to not limit God to a book. We use the book to confirm what people say but he has plenty of verses to back him up. Just because your afraid of the subject doesn't mean you should try and make everyone afraid to stand up as well. Are you defending scripture or people here? It is hard to tell, since you start with one and end with the other. The scripture I place in bold tells us what I said, the young mend will have visions and the old men will dream dreams. SInce scripture does not contridict itself, show me where it is otherwise stated that what I read is false. This should answer your question; Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy. I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural. Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME. Just so you don't think I can't do what I asked you....EXPLAIN THIS if it's unbiblical! Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel 10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision. Daniel had both too, so i guess Daniel was a liar also following false doctrine and speaking lies? Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel. Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

I see offense here brother... I have been hearing God, and hearing prophecy for a long time. First if God told you to share it here, then it would have to have been a witness to at least a few. I recived no witness. Second, there would be no offense at all, or any attempt to defend on your part if it was from God. He that has ears to hear, let them hear... Those that don't, then Oh well. Grace comes when we step back and ask God why it was not received and be willing to hear and make corrections. I have been duped by the enemy a few times thinking something was God. I have also heard God perfectly and did not give the message in the spirit of Love or in the right way so it was not fully recived. Both are not God's fault. So ask why your message was not received? Is it everyone here being to spiritually stupid?? Was it really not from God? Was it not presented correctly? It takes a whole lot of maturity to operate in these kinds of things and growing up is an important step if we want to be used. Humbling ourselves is an important step for God to fix it, and give us more knowing we are willing to step out in faith. Blessings. It was recieved by some, I have been messaged personally by some who are hesitant to speak here because of the quick attacks. but it has been recieved. My heart pleads for all, and that's why I plead.

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy. I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural. Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME. Tame your tongue, my friend. Find peace in Him and stop being so demanding. I was giving you an explanation why people may not take to you having both dreams and visions at the same time. You were the one who mentioned being attacked, not me. Colossians 4:6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one. You said YOUR WORDS, it's unscriptual. if something is unscriptual, then it's unholy and evil, so how do you expect me to respond. it is holy or unholy, authored by GOD or Satan. one or the other. I provided my biblical referance that 1 person can have both. Patientely waiting your response. May GOD Bless

I enjoyed reading your response, but I think you missed a important point. We fight not agaisnt flesh and blood but princapalities and powers. Our fight is in the spirit, not the flesh. Everything that manifests in the flesh has a spiritual orgin. The simple explanation of what I was shown was that spiritual things are at that boiling point. which means something big will soon manifest in the flesh. But the message come with encouragment that all who truely follow GOD will be shown the way to survive. Before the Lord lets anything happen he always warns his people so they are ready. there is a spiritual source for everything you said, and thats what we all should look at, by seek Yeshua and The Father. May the Most High Bless You

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy. I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural. Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME. Just so you don't think I can't do what I asked you....EXPLAIN THIS if it's unbiblical! Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel 10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision. Daniel had both too, so i guess Daniel was a liar also following false doctrine and speaking lies?

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy. I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural. Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Also before anyone says, "but you can't know who is giving the dreams, or speaking to you". that's false doctrine, the doctrine of the devil and lies. John 10 4-5 4 After he has gathered his own flock, he walks ahead of them, and they follow him because they know his voice. 5 They won’t follow a stranger; they will run from him because they don’t know his voice.” I could use other verses, but I think this is plain. Christ taught very plainly HIS SHEEP hear and know his voice and WON'T follow another. To say you can't be sure who is talking to you is false doctrine, and who ever says that is putting themselves in a bad situation, either they are a liar, or christ is. you can't have it both ways.

So you don't think a spirit of anti'christ will take over the world, you've never read where the bible cause the devil a great dragon, or the anti-christ and his kingdom a beast. who said I couldn't back the interputation up with scripture? All I said was I felt led to bring this warning after months of prayer and seeking GOD. I have recieved a lot of positive feed back from people who have bore witness GOD has showed them simular things, but are afraid to post because of the way I've been attacked here by many. the way most seem so quick to spout I'm false and so is anything GOD shows, because accourding to people like you god I guess can no longer give dreams and visions. Instead of being so quick to condem, why don't you take this to GOD with a open bible and heart, and see what GOD says. NOT ME, GOD.

Thank you for your comments as I said to someone else here in a earlier post, I know I was led to post this by Yeshua and the Father and will take everything said back to them in pray. But I have a few questions about your post. First you said this, Don't follow those who have had visions or dreams, whether miraculous or not. Our focus should not be on what they have dreamed or saw. If they give you a way of escape, don't follow them. Sublitle ways of saying "Look at Me" and taking our eyes off of Christ. Also a way of saying, since I am so Spirit Filled, my interpretaion of Scripture must be right. But if you read every post I made here I've made very clear my position. things kept in darkness or in secret is where the enemy plays. Only by bring everything into the light which is christ are things revealed for what they are. Are you saying that if I feel GOD has revealed something to me I shouldn't share it with brothers and sisters of christ? For if it is of GOD it will be proven. No one can fight GOD and win, if it's not it will come to nothing. Next you have a lot of verses you quoted that seem to speak of the return of the lord, but I've stated clearly this is not about his return, but the setting up of things for the final prophecies to happen, then the tribulation. Also i have never instucted anyone nor asked anyone to believe me, but only requested my brothers and sisters of christ take this before the judge of us all, that he might reveal his truth. See what you have so easily dismissed as a search for attention (which I promise I don't want) has taken months and months of prayer and fasting and seek christ and the will of GOD to come to the decsion to share this with more than just close friends and family. How much time have you spent seeking GOD's truth on what I wrote he showed me? I could give scripture after scripture that if someone is warned they are to speak the warning or GOD will hold them accountable. I could give scripture after scripture about fleeing unto the mountains, of GOD warning his people to leave a place or situation before he allows his judgement to come upon a place for there unrepentent sin, for the wrath of GOD abides on the ungodly. I could, but I won't. I've delt with people who have mocked me for dreams and visions before. Who have said the things you did. Although I dealt with it wrong then, GOD has taught me how to deal with it now. It is not my job to convince you of anything, but to speak his truth. God Bless

Thank you for the kind words. When the horseman spoke them to me, I never recieved it like a timeline for the first seal, but more like a taunting. he was taunting me that he was going to do something and enjoy it and there was nothing I could do about it. finally I ask you take this in prayer to GOD, I'm sure if you seek him he will reveal things unto you. The scripture says the Holy Spirit will show us things to come. I believe jesus and the word. Thanks again for the comments for it gives me things to take back to GOD in prayer and fasting to further seek him and his truth. GOD Bless

The first time I was awake, the 2nd It was in a dream. Hummmm, interesting. i don't knkow how to approach what i need to say..... so just let me say it and we can go from there. First of all, I've seen these same things, only it was not receintly, but back in the late 70's and early 80's....... but they were not from God. Furthermore, in an indepth study of the people we call globalists or New World Order People over the past 40 eyars has produced much the same information..... and that came directly from the writings of the dark side if I may call them that. So, I would not disagree with you at all... but I would really like to caution about dreams of this nature...... make sure where they are coming from. the Bible tells us to test the spirits. You know that I have no earthly idea of what is going on with you and it may well be the Father speaking to you through the Holy Spirit...... but I feel compelled to tell you that the same kind of message with some seriously close timelines that I was given was not from anything holy, but it took me three years to understand that and it took me places I simply can't talk about. I'm just asking you to be sure out of concern I understand your concern. It is scriptual to try the spirits to see if they be holy. I didn't include every detail of the dream, I included what I felt led to. But I will add one other thing. In every single thing I've seen, when someone called upon YESHUA they were saved. Only those who turned and counted on CHRIST and the FATHER were saved without harm. You are right to be cautious. The bible says that it is wise to be cautious. Thats why I urged everyone to take this to GOD for themselves. I know over months of prayer and fasting this came from GOD. I firmly believe nothing is so important that there is not enough time to stop and ask GOD about it. Pray and seek the Father and Christ over this. I'm sure he will guide you into his truth not mine. All I know is what he told me, and that was that over and over again every dream and vision for the last 6-8 months that who ever is led by GOD and not man, me or themselves, will be saved. It's christ alone who can save. I will continue to take this to GOD. But lastly, part of the power of the enemy is to keep things in secret. By sharing with my brothers and sisters in christ, it takes this into the light, and if it's of GOD it will be shown and GOD Glorified. If not then I will be corrected and GOD will be glorified. Either way my GOD the FATHER and YESHUA be glorified. GOD Bless