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  1. I agree with a lot of all of your posts which is why I haven't responded up until now. But to be clear, What you are saying is that the biblical punishment for murder, for example, which is death, still stands and should still apply.
  2. First I'm sorry for what happened. I'm a convicted felon ( but guilty ) I've seen first hand what your talking about, including a back door deal with my own eyes to lock someone up for 22-26 years who should have only done a couple months to a year or so at most. Next, if you would like to confine this convo to the time Israel accepts Jesus as the messiah and forward that is fine with me. IMO it's all the same conversation, now, then, MK, all same to me but I don't want to be a burden or stumbling block to you.
  3. When most christians think of the OT, IMO, they are only thinking of it in terms of religious importance. The spiritual concerns. But for Israel, God said it was to be their civil and criminal law as well. It was the guide lines for how the entire nation was to be run so there would not be anarchy. Now in Jesus Christ alone we have the blood for remission of sin. So all the stuff about sin offerings in the OT is fulfilled in Jesus. Likewise, we are the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. What Jesus makes clean is completely clean. So all the things about being clean and holy like not eating pork or wearing mixed fabric in the OT is fulfilled in Jesus. We can't establish our own righteousness it has to come from Jesus alone. Now we come to the moral parts of the OT law. What did Jesus say about them? Murder? He said if you hate your brother without cause you are guilty of murder in your heart. Adultery? Married and you Look at someone in lust then you have committed adultery already in your heart. Not only do they still apply but he put bluntly the standards of God in regards to moral behavior. So what do we have then. Remember, the OT was the religious, civil and criminal law of the nation. Well, a lot of the Religious are wrapped up in Jesus. But what about the civil and criminal? Do they still apply? Doesn't Jesus say Love is the fulfilling of the law? Should we just stand by and let people Rape and Murder and do nothing but love them? Is that what Jesus really meant? Did Jesus abolish the entire Criminal and Civil law of Israel with all it's punishment and offer up nothing to replace it? Just some thoughts I have... Firestormx
  4. but that was because they were perverting justice for their own ends. They weren't trying to follow what God said or they would have brought the man as well.
  5. You're not answering my question. What civil and criminal law should Israel be using? because it was the OT law.
  6. but that means no punishment on earth for murder or adultery because it was death. So God eliminated the punishments for the worst crimes and replaced it with nothing...correct?
  7. Nice post but unfortunately you didn't once answer my question. The OT was not just the spiritual guide lines of Israel but also their civil law. Their civil law like the US constitution or bill of rights. If the OT law no longer applies then what civil law should Israel be using?
  8. By here and now I just meant that the OT punishments were to be carried out here and now on earth and not judgement day.
  9. God said that the death penalty was for here and now for somethings as well. However, My original question still stands. If the punishments that GOD set are no longer good enough, then what civil law and penalties would or should Israel be under? PS. if I'm frustrating you, then I'm sorry , just trying to figure some things out in my head.
  10. But it was God who said Adultery was worthy of death
  11. Because most people do when questioned. This all stems from a divorce and remarriage conversation. but the broader point is the same and got me wondering about law and punishment. The OT wasn't just spiritual guide lines to Israel, it was also there civil law. So if the law and it's punishments have been done away with, then what would be the civil law now?
  12. Ok, Let me make sure I understand you. God says the punishment for Adultery is death in the OT but now in NT times your spouse can commit unrepentant adultery endless and there should be no civil penalty for it...correct?
  13. Yes, I think. So Adultery or rape ( for example ) should still require the death penalty?
  14. So what about murder or adultery here and now? Should there no punishment on earth for any sin anymore? I am trying to wrap my head around something I don't know if I can describe it well. Take Adultery for example. In the OT adultery was not a Divorce question it was a criminal and spiritual question. Breaking it required the death penalty. Should it still? There was a reason that it was not to be tolerated. It's a about morality and God's morality never changes. So does the consequences on this earth for adultery or any moral sin vanish simply because the shed blood needed for remission of sin is now Christ's alone? Should murder, rape and adultery have no earthly consequence? In the OT the civil law was the spiritual law. What should it be now? Should unrepentant adultery still require the death penalty?
  15. So what about murder or adultery? Would there still be a death penalty? Would anarchy reign? Jesus is in heaven so should there be prisons or a death penalty at all? Should there no punishment on earth for any sin anymore?
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