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There is nothing about baptism in the context. Water baptism has nothing to do with salvation. See post above.... However, John the Baptist did announce the Messiah and had been baptizing for quite a while. Actually, water baptism has quite a bit to do with salvation. All one needs to do is look at how the first believers understood the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles Yes, John baptized with water for the remission of sins. In acts 2: 38, Peter baptized for the remission of sins. They were both for the same purpose, The Kingdom of Heaven. Not the Kingdom of God. The verse in question is not talking about baptism, but a flesh birth. I don't want to high jack the post so we can talk about whether or not water baptism is needed for salvation in another thread.

There is nothing about baptism in the context. Water baptism has nothing to do with salvation. See post above....

Whilst it is true that angels cannot be part of the body of Christ doesn't seem a little strange to you that Jesus would be ruling out the angels from being born again in a conversation that is nothing to do with angels being born again? Now where else do we read of being born of water in the bible as a reference to physical birth. Again this is redundant if this is what Jesus was saying, for he would be saying things that Nicodemus already new. Yes Spiritual birth is a work of the Spirit, but it is not a work of the Spirit that is performed in a vacuum, instead it is a work that is performed through the word of God. My point here being that one does not need to isolate being born of the Spirit to be theologically correct. Going back to my previous post I have demonstrated why we should take this whole phrase 'being born of water and the Spirit' to refer to the spiritual rebirth. To put what i said before in more simple terms if Jesus was referring to two separate births then he would, most likely' have said, "one must be born of water and one must be born of the Spirit." but he didn't, he said we must be born "of water and Spirit" - Think for a moment of other places in scripture where we have two nouns used in a similar fashion - do we bifurcate them, for example, Titus 2:13, where we read that Jesus is God and saviour - if we don't do it there, why would we do it here in this text? John 3: 4 - Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? This verse seems to point that Nicodemus did not understand. How can one be born again? John 3: 5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. The context is about birth. There is water birth, which is physical birth. When you are in the womb, you are in a sack of water. When you are born, both you and the water come out. Jesus gives the meaning in the following verse John 3: 6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. There is nothing talking about baptism. There is nothing talking about the word of God.

Pick you up a copy of AV 1611 and believe every single word. Read the epistles of Paul. These books will teach how a Christian should live.

The best way I have found to explain "elect" is... One is not elected into citizenship, but a person is elected for a service. Think of the presidential election. We elect a man to perform the service of President. When you believe the gospel and are saved, you are part of the kingdom of God. Then you are elected to a service. In the time of Jacobs Trouble, 144,000 Jews are elected to spread the gospel amongst the world. For the elects(144,000 jews) sake, that time(the time of Jacobs trouble) is shortened...

2.1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ is second coming where he lands on Earth. Our gathering together unto him is the rapture or translation(Enoch was translated). 2.2 - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2.3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Notice "day" in vs 2-3. The day of Christ( The time of Jacobs Trouble) will not happen until the son of perdition is revealed. The son of perdition will be revealed at the signing of the covenant between Israel. This same man who signs the covenant is the one who..... ...2.4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.