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I am sorry you took offense. My purpose was to determine if you were truly Jewish as you did not post articles that supported it but an actual article that defamed Jews and portrayed them in disgusting and hateful manner. That article really upset me as I love my Jewish Messiah and His Chosen People, with whom He is not forgotten or done with. He will truly fulfill all His promises to them, once this "times of the Gentiles" passes. I have not been on this site for about a year and I was not truly familiar with your posts or personal background you may have previously shared. As respect to the non-Jew on this site, I will leave the dashes out and hope I don't insult my Messianic Jewish brethren on other posts, if I slip and leave them out. I believe they will be gracious, if I slip.

When anyone brings a teaching which contradicts New Testament truth, that is false doctrine. The New Testament is there for a reason, and Christians who insist on going back to the Old Covenant are saying (internally) "God has made a mistake, but I am going to fix it". That is how we end up with cults. So no matter if you wish to follow the dietary laws of Moses, Scripture (not my opinion) tells you that ALL MEATS are clean. I already posted the Scriptures (which you ignored) so here they are a

Ezra, I am not sure that what you said to SinnerSaved is dogmatically correct. I think there is confusion around the whole dietary laws by reading these posts on each person's view. When Jesus said that "all foods are clean", he was responding to the Pharisees tradition that expected His disciples to wash their hands before eating or the food would be considered unclean. It was accurate for Jesus to say then, "all food is clean, because He was only speaking about what G-d already designated as food. Unclean animals were not designated as food. So, the question has been asked. Where did G-d suddenly designate unclean animals as food? If we fall back to the vision of Peter, visions in the Bible were symbolic. The Pharaoh's vision of the fat and thin cows, was not literal, but a symbol of the true meaning that there was to be 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine. Peter's vision had to do with the reference to Gentiles. Gentiles were considered unclean and even referred to as dogs (an unclean animal). Henceforth, Peter then goes to Cornelius's house, to tell this Gentile about the good news. Even Jesus' reply to the Gentile woman, kneeling before him and asking for help, was "He came for the lost sheep of Israel and it was not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs." He was quite familiar with this designation given to the Gentiles. However, because of her great faith, He healed her daughter of demon possession. So, while each view tosses back and forth various arguments. There are scriptures to support SinnerSaved's position, and I do not think because we may not agree with one another on matters that can be confusing in Scripture that one should accuse others of false doctrine.

Thanks. I did not get a dialogue box. I messaged a Moderator and he said they have been getting complaints about this, sporadically. He is looking into it. Hopefully it will be resolved. Thanks a lot for your consideration and help! Blessings

In the parable in Romans 11, the native branches are Israel, not the root. Wild Olive branches are not grafted into the Israel branches in the parable, but into the root. Romans 2 is not saying the Gentiles become Jews. It is explaining the difference between a believing Jew and an unbelieving Jew. It is playing on the meaning of the root Hebrew word for Jew, Yehudah, which means praise. Sorry for this. Means nothing. Cannot not get out of multi-quote. Hoping this does it.

In the parable in Romans 11, the native branches are Israel, not the root. Wild Olive branches are not grafted into the Israel branches in the parable, but into the root. Romans 2 is not saying the Gentiles become Jews. It is explaining the difference between a believing Jew and an unbelieving Jew. It is playing on the meaning of the root Hebrew word for Jew, Yehudah, which means praise. Read my previous posts on Easter. I am in agreement with you. My reference above was in response to Q who was repeating on our previous Esther discourse. She was not understanding what I had previously stated in response to her Esther analogy. I think that He was born during Sukkot as well, especially evident when you follow it through Zechariah and the order of the times the priests were to serve in the temple, as devised by David.

I am Jewish. And I talk like a Jew. You talk like a Gentile who is not really familiar with the Jewish people, or Jewish practices. When I speak of Judaism, and explain Judaism, I do so accurately as my profession prior to believing on Jesus was to teach the law according to Judaism to Jewish people. I was married to a Rabbi, and all of our close friends were Rabbis. My father taught in the synagogue Hebrew school, so I was educated in Judaism. When I speak as a Messianic Jew, I know hundreds of Messianic Jews and their views, so I am familiar with the many views within Messianic Judaism. Hebrew roots, which claims to know Judaism, is not at all accurate. Jewish believers do not generally object to Gentiles celebrating Jesus in either Christmas or Easter. We understand that Jesus is central and to be worshipped. We understand the difference of pagan worship and worshipping God. And coming from a Jewish understanding, do not expect Gentiles to practice Jewish law as it was not given to them to practice. You do not sound Jewish or accurately portray Jewish people, but like most Gentiles who fall into Hebrew roots, practice a corrupted form of the law, which neglects people and becomes judgmental of others. In Judaism, the view of people is held in a higher regard, with an emphasis on mercy and hospitality towards others. That is Judaism and Messianic Judaism. Just another note. Your use of the dash in the word God, is Jewish tradition, not the Mosaic law. It is an expansion of the law or the fence around the law. If I was communicating with an Orthodox Jew, I would use the dash, for a reason, but not on a Christian forum. In Judaism, to keep from taking God's name in vain, Judaism did not speak or write God's Holy Name. Before that tradition, God's Holy Name, the tetragrammaton was spoken as evidenced in the book of Psalms. In Judaism, if the Holy Name is written, it is to be handled differently as any writing containing the Holy Name must not be thrown in the trash, or burned so is gathered together, taken to the synagogue, and when enough has accumulated, is taken and buried with care. So as not to cause concern or special care taken by Orthodox Jews, I do not use the Holy Name, or write out substitutes like the tradition of G-d. But, on this forum, it is not concerned about Jewish traditions, and I know that no one will know or follow Jewish traditions, and that such a convention is not in scripture or required. Finally, Pagan customs were not and are not used since for something to be pagan, it must include honoring a pagan god. Easter does not honor a pagan God. Easter honors Jesus. Easter was an anti-semitic decision encouraged by Constantine, but among todays Christians, Easter is not celebrated with the new name, and date, to be anti-semitic but to honor Jesus. Your posts accusing Christians who are honoring Jesus, of practicing paganism, is a false accusation, and is a greater violation of scripture then celebrating what Jesus did on a date altered centuries ago. By the way, have you ripped the book of Esther out of your bible yet? That is why I was soooooooo perplexed. You quote these articles that blast the Jews, like the last one you posted from an early Church source, that was so upsetting to portray the Jews in such a disgusting manner. Why would you do that? I know exactly why the dash is used. That is what I am used to and will continue to do so. I am in communication with Jews and I do not wish to slip. Your discourse did not teach me anything I did not already know. I already answered you regarding Esther and my argument not being with the Easter name designation, but the substitution for Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits. Why not keep them since they are the actual times of his death, burial and resurrection as scripted in the Holy Scriptures? I am quite familiar with Jews, as I explained in my growing up in Miami. I have never claimed to be Jewish. I am making my presentation to posts, just like you. I will continue to do so because it is a Jewish book, written by Jews, regarding a Jewish Messiah, who will return to restore the Jews and return as a Jew to reign in a Jewish land. I have never been judgmental of others and their beliefs, but I have reasonably given a counter argument. Just as you have. I don't neglect people, but love them and do whatever my Messiah directs me to do in regard to good deeds for them. I don't think you can accuse me of not holding people in high regard when I had a legitimate question around the offensive post blasting the Jews. I, however, hold you in high regard, because you are in the family of G-d.

Being from Miami, I have lived most my life in a Jewish community. Jewish friends, roommates, college, neighbors, work colleagues, my doctors, my Rabbi, my place of worship. When I have shared my Messianic faith, they have been amazed that I would be interested in any form of Judaism. They have been supportive and quite inquisitive, which has allowed me to introduce them to Messiah. I have never been accused of a "Jewish wannabe or stealing the faith, or being jealous of them. They see me as supportive of them and of the Land of Israel, worshipping the one true G-d of Israel.

When Jesus celebrated the last Passover before His death, when it came to the 4 cup of wine, the cup of Redemption, he instructed his disciples to do this in the memory of Me. He was referencing the Passover and that each time they came to this cup in forthcoming Passover celebrations, do it in the memory of him. Jesus gave the great commission to his disciples to go and teach the Jews, half-Jews and Gentiles all that He had taught them. He never taught them to ignore G-d's established feasts or ways. Your quoting of this from the Emperor is most disturbing and clearly supports my point. Pagan festivals and pagan customs were substituted in the church for G-d's holy feasts, due to anti-Semitism and hatred for the Jew. I wondered last year in your posts if you were really a Jew, as you claim. You do not talk like one, keep the feasts as one, keep the Holy Sabbath as one, or eat like one. You posts sound Catholic. A Jew would never speak this way, or support any language that would portray His people in such a disgusting way. Don't you see my whole point. Man has substituted G-d's direction for their direction. G-d's way for man's way. Substitution in support of hatred for G-d's people. G-d is very clear, " I will bless those who bless you (Jews) and curse those who curse you". We need to be very careful.

I do not object to the name Easter. I object to the practice of it substituting for the Passover (including Feast of Unleavened Bread and First Fruits). The TRUE death, burial and resurrection of our L-rd. The TRUE feast to be celebrated. In Jeremiah, our L-rd tells his people "not to learn the ways of the pagans (Gentile nations)...for the customs of these people are worthless." Easter grew from a pagan festival with all it's Easter eggs, bunnies, traditional ham dinner, etc. Falling on the pagan sun worship day of the first Sunday after the full moon of the Spring Equinox. That is why Easter falls on a different date each year.

The Jewish people do not care what Gentiles believe. Most non-believing Jewish people think the Gentiles worship 3 gods. But, Jewish people are strong believers in religious freedom having experienced persecution for centuries for their own religion, so tend to be very tolerant of Gentiles practicing other religions, and will even fight for Christians rights to practice Christianity, as long as Christianity does not try to stop Jews from practicing Judaism. Believe it or not, most Jewish people have no real clue what Christians believe, or do to practice their religion. Maybe with one exception. While Jewish people do not really understand what Christmas is about, Jewish parents have to talk to their children about why they do not celebrate Christmas. Christmas looks very attractive to the Jewish children. I know of adult Jews who heard Christmas songs, and ended up accepting Jesus thru them. As far as Gentiles practicing the law given to the Jewish people, Jewish people think Gentiles are jealous of the Jewish people and the Gentiles wish they were Jews. So, when a Gentile celebrates a Jewish Holy day, that is proof to Jewish people that Gentiles are jealous of Jews, and not the other way around. Gentiles who go so visibly into Jewish things are called 'Jewish wannabes'. Meaning, they are Gentile who want to be Jewish. So the message you think you might be sending, is actually the opposite. Gentiles who try to live more like Jews, usually do such a strange exaggeration of it, that they are considered disrespectful. Romans 11 is speaking of Israel. Some of the branches were broken off and though, you, a wild olive branch, have been grafted in among them. And now share in the nourishing sap of the olive tree. The olive tree has always been a representation of Israel throughout G-d's word. You and I had this discussion last year. Living in Miami, my grandmother grafted different varieties of mangos into her mango tree from branches of her neighbors' trees. These branches got all their nourishment in support from her tree, however each season they produced their own different fruit. The Gentiles keep their physical distinction as do the Jews, yet spiritually we are now one. The Gentile is now accepted. This is what Paul is getting at. We Gentiles are grafted in. We get our nourishment from the existing system. We, through faith, are now believers. We now too share in the adoption as sons. " For not Israel is Israel,....,but Through faith we are now regarded as the children of the promise and Abraham's offspring. (Rms. 9: 6-8). Prior to Christ, a Gentile became part of Israel and accepted by the act of conversion. This incorporated three main requirements. One, faith in the one true G-d of Israel. Two, circumcision. Three, a mikvah, a baptism. (going down as a Gentile, coming up and fully accepted to the Jews in the faith). Paul's parallels this act from a spiritual perspective in Colossians 2: 9-12) "For in Christ.......in him you were also circumcised, in putting off the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men, but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of G-d who raised him from the dead". Paul further says in Romans 2:29 - "A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly, and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, and not the written code." I am not saying we are physical Jews, but through this conversion by the hand of G-d, we have been brought into the Israel.

You need to thoroughly read Romans 11. Salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. Gentiles now share in the nourishing sap of the root of the tree. Jews are the natural branches. We are the wild branches grafted in, etc. Tell me how Gentiles can make Israel envious, if we switch out G-d's festivals for historically pagan ceremonies, forsake the Sabbath day and support Replacement Theology that disrespects the Jew and G-d's promises to them?

True, they had to be circumcised in Exodus to eat Passover, but with Yeshua's death the Gentiles were grafted in and did not have to be circumcised to be saved. Paul tells us to make sure we keep the Festival with a sincere heart and without malice. Gentiles remain physically Gentiles, but now partake of the Jewish root with them. We don't support the root, it supports us. Rms. 11:11-24. Easter is not Passover with a different name. It was the Feast of Ishtar. It was fully pagan. Passover always occurs on Nisan 14, but Easter changes each year because it is based on the first Sunday after the first full moon of the Spring Equinox. My earlier reference to Passover was based on the inclusion of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21) and First Fruits (Nisan 16). Inclusive more on the traditional 8 days of Passover.

True. Never has circumcision been supported in my posts. Oh, quite the opposite.

You too, my sister.

The reference to "no longer Jew or Gentile" also included the reference to "no longer male or female". This is not a literal statement of no physical differences, because we still have male and female, Jews and Gentiles. This was a spiritual reference only. The Jew and Gentile are longer separated. The unclean Gentile can now be considered clean and come into the faith as they have been made clean by their faith in Messiah. Now we are all in the family of G-d. All part of Israel. The Gentile is grafted in. They met in the temple (ACTS) and met in homes for the Havdalah service. They also met in homes when there was no other place to go, or when they fled due to persecution. Titus taught only after he learned the faith was established enough to take on a teaching position. He was not just thrown into it.

Wow! You really do throw away the O.T. and its prophecies, especially those yet to be fulfilled. Christ has not completed his promise to the Jews that he would set up an earthly, physical, Davidic throne and reign from Jerusalem. I now see you are ignoring the whole of G-d's Word and misinterpreting scripture to ignore the Jew. Replacement Theology. Sorry, we have no common ground. Without the acceptance of the whole of Scripture, we cannot logically engage, for most is being negated. Blessings and Shalom.

Church was a Greek word for the congregation of believers. The Hebrew equivalent for congregations was synagogue. Once Gentiles were grafted in they were members of the body. Yes, Gentiles were also active in leadership roles, but not exclusive of the Jews.

Thank you so much for that wonderful post and story - I got to the "big pink thing" and busted up laughing. If you were educated in Judaism you would know that Gentiles were unclean and a Jew could not even enter the house of one. Hence, Peter protesting about the vision and why the Jews could not enter the Roman palace or they would be defiled and not able to celebrate the Passover. That is the whole point of the Gospel. We are now made clean in Messiah and grafted into Israel. There is no adding to Scripture. Know Judaism and you will know the scriptures. Rem Don't forget. The entire Bible is a Jewish book, written by Jews in a Jewish language, with Jewish customs, in Jewish logic, regarding a Jewish Messiah, who will return as a Jew and establish His throne in a Jewish land with Jewish worship established. Please do not wipe out everything Jewish in favor of Replacement Theology. [The apostles, other than Paul, did not write in Greek. They had to have someone assist them from the original Hebrew.]

Thank you so much for that wonderful post and story - I got to the "big pink thing" and busted up laughing. If these are all gone, why is G-d referring to them and their practice in His earthly kingdom, when He sets up His earthly reign upon His return? Why does He require that all representatives of each Gentile nation come to the festival of Succoth (Festival of Tabernacles) in Jerusalem? And if they do not, that nation does not receive rain for 1 full year (Zech. 14:16-21). Hmmmm, seems like they are not gone and those Gentiles better show up.

I am not talking about what Jewish Rabbis taught in Rabbinic Law. Just the many references already stated in Scripture. Gentiles entering into the faith had no other means of worship than the existing system G-d established and Paul referred to often as the Jewish sect, known as the Way. It would have been blasphemous to fold any form of pagan worship into the practice. For example, the Feast of Ishtar (Easter) to substitute for Passover, our L-rd's death, burial and resurrection.

Yes, we are to walk in the Messiah. Yes, we are not to adopt the philosophy of the world system. Yes, we have been circumcised by our belief in Him. Yes, Paul states, Now, as a Gentile, don't let anyone judge you for keeping the established feasts and Sabbaths, now that you have pulled away from your paganism. There seems to be a mindset that if you follow any of G-d festivals or Sabbaths that you have added to G-d's word. This is not so. Yes, these are a foreshadow of the Messiah and in each one of them we are reminded of the richness of Him. The men who came from James were insisting that Gentiles had to be circumcised and become Jews in order to be saved. This is false. Gentiles are grafted into Israel through their belief in Messiah. Paul throughout Acts refers to the faith as a sect of Judaism, The Way.

I did not add to scripture. I quoted it. Remember, Gentiles were coming into the one true faith in the G-d of Israel. Jews were not becoming Gentiles or living the pagan lifestyle.

Yes, Look at the verse carefully! Yes, let no man judge you for eating kosher (meat), keeping the festivals (holyday), the new moon (another Jewish festival) and the Sabbath (the 7th day of rest) Don't let anyone judge you for keeping the Jewish days. Yes, they are a foreshadow, but they are not gone. Christ brings the true meaning into the keeping of them.

But you forgot the early quote of James in Act 15:19...."It is my judgement that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to G-d." To lay all the teachings on them at once and to immediately expect more would have overwhelmed Gentiles unfamiliar with the monotheist faith. So James then lists out the 4 minimum requirements for the Gentile to be able to get close enough to a Jew to teach them. You did not quote the last part of James' reasoning which he stated in Acts15:21 "For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath." It was expected that as the Gentile entered the fold they would eventually learn the faith.