Russ82

 

I have a question here, if the tribulation saints can't buy or sell without the mark of the beast, how would they eat food or have the essentials to survive it?

Why did God feed Elijah with ravens?

Yes that's true

 

The expression "falling away" also means "depart" in Greek. The antichrist cannot appear as long as the 'church' is here. The church has to "depart" before the tribulation can begin.

I thought that the Antichrist shows up in the last 31/2 years of the tribulation?Am I wrong?

 

the antichrist has to enter and confirm and confirm a covenant for 7 years, so he has to be revealed to us, that's what Onelight posted... and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition).

I'm not saying that it means that there will be no peace treaty of some sort I think there could be, but it also could mean a union between two or more countries, maybe they are trying to get Israel into a part of a one world government and that capital I believe it will be Jerusalem to be the capital.

Another question that should be asked, in order to understand when the rapture will take place and who will be in the tribulation, is what is your take on 2 Thessalonians 2, specifically verses 1-4

 

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Let's not be deceived, thinking that we will be taken before any of this happens.  Though the mark has not yet been required, this event is in the middle of the Tribulation.

So what is your take on this?Are you mid-trib?

 

I can say that I am no longer pre-trib since there is so much scripture stating otherwise.

 

I am for the last trumpet - great falling away/the son of perdition being revealed rapture.  When that takes place, I am not sure, either mid or later in the tribulation. 

 

What I do know for sure is that we should work for the Lord as if He is returning today, but prepare in case we are not called home until the end.  Always doing His work.

What you said makes a lot of sense, because I think that the bible supports the mid tribulation rapture. After reading Dan 12  I think that the wrath of God will happen at the last half which is called the

Great Tribulation. The "covenant "might not be a peace treaty, because It means a league or confederacy. That's why I'm looking into the peace process in the news.

Dan 9:26  And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed. [isa. 53:7-9; Nah. 1:8; Matt. 24:6-14.

Dan 9:27  And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

Deu 7:2  And when the Lord your God gives them over to you and you smite them, then you must utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them, or show mercy to them.

2Th 2:7  For the mystery of lawlessness (that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority) is already at work in the world, [but it is] restrained only until he who restrains is taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8  And then the lawless one (the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming. [isa. 11:4.]

Most of the churches around here are Catholic, or JW there are a lot of them around here. I just want to find the right church, not anyone of things, or unorthodox churches either.

kwik will many be forced into taking the mark?  I mean by using food as a bribe or anything else

*spread the gospel

Wow I wouldn't want to be a Tribulation Saint I want to be raptured so I wouldn't have to go through the turmoil they would have to. it almost sounds like they will be hunted like animals. Not a good thing to live in the tribulation.  This would be the worst of the worst, this is the reason why are salvation is so important, and that we should share the gospel to everyone not just our friends and families.

Hey I just moved here and I would like to know if there is any churches in my area, I'm from Kingston Ontario and I live by myself?

So will all believers be raptured, or will some remain to preach the gospel to them?

bopeep yeah they would have to live like the amish, but even they have to pay for things

you have to pay for food, heat and hydro, water, and sewage they would have to be very respeoureful, Will the mark of the beast happen at the last half of the Tribulation, because I've hearing that the first half will be peaceful? they could have time to prepare for the second half maybe I'm just guessing here

I've thought they would find a way to survive the tribulation, but I'm not sure how

Joe 3:1  FOR BEHOLD, in those days and at that time when I shall reverse the captivity and restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2  I will gather all nations and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and there will I deal with and execute judgment upon them for [their treatment of] My people and of My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and [because] they have divided My land.
Joe 3:3  And they have cast lots for My people, and have given a boy for a harlot and have sold a girl for juice [of the grape] and have drunk it.
Joe 3:4  Yes, and what are you to Me, O Tyre and Sidon and all the [five small] divisions of Philistia? Will you pay Me back for something? Even if you pay Me back, swiftly and speedily I will return your deed [of retaliation] upon your own head, [isa. 23; Ezek. 26:1-18; Amos 1:6-10; Zeph. 2:4-7; Zech. 9:2-7.]
 

I have a question here, if the tribulation saints can't buy or sell without the mark of the beast, how would they eat food or have the essentials to survive it?