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I would like you to point out where in Rev 13 you get your answers for your questions. There's nothing in Rev 13 to support your view.

There's more than one 'beast' written in Rev.13. The 1st beast is his kingdom that's given in the Rev.13:1-2 verses, as ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads. That is not the 2nd beast, or one who speaks as a dragon. The 2nd "beast" in Rev 13 is the 11th horn in Dan 7:8 that plucks up the 3 horns of the Flavian Dynasty in 96 ad. The reason why he's called the "2nd beast kingdom" in Rev 13 is because he's also the 5th "beast kingdom" in Daniel's prophecy of the toes of iron and clay, the 11th horn in Dan 7:8. The 1st "beast" in Rev 13 are the "10 horns/kings" in Daniel 7:7, described with the features of Daniel's 4 beast kingdoms in Rev 13 because it possessed the territory of the 4 kingdoms at that time, but it is the first 10 Roman Emperors, the 4th beast kingdom in Daniel. The "Beast," he is the 8th and is among the 10 kings/horns of the 1st beast kingdom in Rev 13, the 4th beast in Dan 7:7. The 11th king/horn after these 10 becomes the 2nd beast kingdom in Rev 13, the 5th beast kingdom in Dan, the 11th horn/king in Dan 7:8. Dan 7 is the book of Revelation. Says who? You're making stuff up that scripture doesn't support. The "Beast" is an angel just like the 4 Euphrates angel. In fact, the false prophet is one of the 4 Euphrates angel. The "devil," small "d," that's cast into the lake of fire after the 1,000 yrs reign is also a Euphrates angel. Reading comprehension is your problem. I never said he was the angel of the bottomless pit. I said he was "an angel." That's common sense. You're wrong. They are frauds. They're part of the antichrist spirit, Satan's angels becoming ministers of light that were to come from that early time to now, corrupting the word and adding to scripture.

There's no gap between the beast kingdoms and kings. The 10 horns are the first 10 Roman Emperors beginning with Augustus Caesar. Daniel's 10 horns is Revelation's 10 horns.

Right there in Rev.9:11, as that "angel of the bottomless pit". Who else do you think would warrant the ultimate Destroyer title? Do you not also understand how that Greek Apollyon title is from the Greek word that means to 'perish' (apollyomi)? Satan is the 'son of perdition' also, because he has already been judged and sentenced with his angels to perish in the "lake of fire". Even in Rev.17 we were shown about the beast king that goes into 'perdition', and even in Rev.12:7 with Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in the last days. The Beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire in Rev 19:19-21 when Satan is bound for the 1,000 yrs in Rev 20:1-3, the chronological order of events. They are two different entities. Note the key for the bottomless pit is recieved by the angel in Rev 9:1 when he releases the Beast, but he has the keys when he bounds Satan in Rev 20:1-3. They are two different events. Your church fathers are wrong.

Is the highlighted statement meant to be tacky or did it just come out that way>> In your eyes it probably did. should we take a vote on it?? Let's stick to the positive agenda.

Rev 9:1 KJV - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Rev 9:2 KJV - And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Rev 9:3 KJV - And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev 9:11 KJV - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Abaddon = "destruction" ruin destruction the place of destruction the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth Apollyon = "Destroyer" the angel of the bottomless pit, the Destroyer Where does it say Satan is the Destroyer, the king of the bottomless pit? It doesn't. Instead scripture proves Satan and the Beast are two different entities. Follow the chronology of events, an angel opens the bottomless pit releasing this king and his angels. Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Rev 9:2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. --------------- Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This Beast wages war with Christ after Satan gives him his power. Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. The very next chapter is Satan being bound for a 1,000 years after the Beast's defeat! The Beast and the false prophet are burning in the lake of fire while Satan is bound for the 1,000 yrs. Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Notice the angel has the key and is not given the key as in Rev 9:1 when he first opens the pit and releases the Beast. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Beast is not Satan. But I know where you get your train of thought, from the so-called early church fathers.

Satan gives his power and throne to the Beast, and the second Beast speaks like a dragon, but it really doesn't say that it is Satan himself. Where do you get from scripture that Abaddon is another name for Satan. I'm not following your thoughts here????? Satan is... the 2nd beast, a king (Rev.13:11 forward, Rev.17). Both titles Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean 'Destroyer', yet another title of Satan's. Another title of Satan mentioned where?

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions? I see yet another here which must have an 'anvil' fall on them because of they are dull of hearing. Rev.9 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. If you're going to claim understanding of the English language, you might try to learn what a subject and object in a sentence is. The subject is that "king" "which is the angel of the bottomless pit", and the objects are those other names he has, "Abaddon" in the Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in the Greek. Now little children, who is the "angel of the bottomless pit"? Satan. Where in Rev 9 is Satan mentioned, from a reading comprehension perspective?

Thanks Marilyn, hi.

Is the highlighted statement meant to be tacky or did it just come out that way>> In your eyes it probably did.

Beloved, Be Gentle To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. Titus 3:2 We're All Peddling As Fast As We Can~! These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11 Judge not less ye be judged.

Those titles of Abaddon and Apollyon are titles FOR Satan, not another like him. Satan is that king, the angel of the bottomless pit. In Rev.12:7 forward we are shown he and his angels will be cast down to this earth among us, in OUR dimension. He is coming 'here', on earth, in person, and the majority of the world will wonder at him, meaning they will wonder at who he is, not being able to recognize him as the devil in person. Pretty obvious many here aren't even ready for that, because of the thinking that it will be someone else other than Satan himself. If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

Zechariah 14:14, I presume. None of the highlighted statements is fact or is written. Why are you adding to scripture?!

The only thing the innocent have to be aware of is the false interpretations of scripture. What you're talking about has already been fulfilled. The 11 horns/kings in Daniel and Revelation are the first 11 kings of Rome, starting with Augustus Caesar.

You're understanding of scripture is limited to what's been taught over the centuries. The Beast, Satan, and the false prophet are fallen angels. They can and do live and appear as men on the earth. The Beast and the False Prophet were devils that reigned as kings in Rome, specifically the historical 9th and 12th Roman Emperors. The key to understanding this is the fact one of the 12 disciples, Judas, was a devil. Why is Judas called "the son of perdition?" Another key interpretation to understanding Revelation is the releasing of the 4 Euphrates angels. Each of these 4 angels is a host of 50 million enties totaling 200 million. Now count the number of the Beast, "his number is 666." A word to the wise, if you can recieve it.