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  1. How do we worship God? We keep His "code of conduct." How will people worship the beast? They will comply with his code of conduct. Why would they? They are deceived.
  2. The Lord and two angels. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I did not say that truth and judgment were the two witnesses or "spirit entities", Marilyn. I said that the two witnesses "bear witness of" truth and bring judgment. That's what witnesses do. They bear witness of someone or something else. It's fine if you don't agree with my view but please don't twist what I say.
  3. Good connection Marilyn. What do you think of the two who were with the Lord when He met Abraham at Mamre (Genesis 18)? Were they manifestations of the two witnesses as well? Moses and Elijah were certainly the faces of the law and the prophets but aren't the law and the prophets an expression of something greater than two men? Jesus sets the precedent of abstraction with his cousin John. And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 11:14-15 John's ministry was carried out in the power and spirit of Elijah (Luke 1:17) Having "ears to hear" always refers to a spiritual understanding. It may very well be that God sends Moses and Elijah as the faces of the two witnesses. However, the two witnesses are primarily spiritual entities. They are seen as the law and the prophets, two lampstands, and two olive trees. The spiritual realm is rather mysterious so I can't be dogmatic about it but I see the two witnesses primarily as spiritual messengers of truth and judgment. The "skins" they wear are, to me, of secondary importance. Truth and judgment provide light, hence the olive oil and lampstands. The law revealed truth and the prophets spoke judgment. Those who walk in the truth and yield to God's judgment (reproof) are those whose lamps stay lit. The two witnesses will bear witness of the truth and bring judgment on those who reject it.
  4. Outside of Daniel 8, can you post some prophetic scriptures that use the expression "mornings evenings" to note a duration of days so I can look at them? I can't think of any off the top of my head. From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! Daniel 12:11-12 But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. Revelation 11:11 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. Revelation 12:6 These prophetic passages reference a number of days and none of them are interpreted as "mornings evenings" in any of the dozens of versions I checked.
  5. And speaking of the Hebrew language, it has a word for "days." Using the phrase "evenings mornings" is meant to convey something else. The more I reflect on WilliamL's reply: the more it makes sense given the purpose of the two witnesses (lampstands and olive trees) in conjunction with Daniel 8 . . . when you put it all together. Keep your lamps lit.
  6. Come to think of it . . . keeping one's lamp lit figures significantly in the end times. Regardless, 2300 evenings, mornings = 1150 days. And also, the two witnesses are described as lampstands and olive trees. Very interesting.
  7. The point being that there are two per day, 1150 days. If "days" were meant, there's a word for that. The construct "evenings mornings" was used for a reason.
  8. Genesis 1 isn't concerned with daily sacrifices.
  9. I think the NASB renders is more accurately as "2,300 evenings mornings". Since the passage focuses on the daily sacrifice, which happened once in the evening and once in the morning, it's reasonable to see 2300 evenings mornings as 2300 sacrifices, or 1150 days.
  10. Or . . . . . the temple that John was to measure is a reference to the new covenant temple, the body of Christ. Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. Revelation 11:1 Physical measurements are curiously absent. As I understand it, the events that take place during the ministry of the two witnesses will measure the faithfulness and perseverance of the saints. Physical stature is irrelevant.
  11. My view of the two witnesses runs more on the spiritual side, something akin to those who visited Abraham at Mamre and rescued Lot. When their testimony is finished, the two witnesses are overcome by an evil spirit being. Why not the human man of sin? Because the two witnesses are spirit beings. Their manifestation in the natural realm, as I see it, can be either taking on human form (as those who rescued Lot), or they can influence/empower humans such as in the case of John the baptizer (coming in the spirit and power of Elijah). Either way, I see them as primarily spiritual beings either working as, or through, humans. At this point, I lean toward working as.
  12. Doesn't Zechariah 4 preclude John from being one of the two witnesses? I think you were closer when you theorized the law and the prophets.
  13. There's no point in continuing if you're just going to misrepresent what I say. Stay awake brother, and be on the alert.
  14. Ever since Satan was cast as profane from the mountain (kingdom) of God (Ezekiel 28:16) he has been opposing God at every turn. He doesn't need Jesus to open any seals to cause him to do so, as you suggest. That is his M.O. and it will be until he is cast into the lake of fire. THIS is what Jesus did after He ascended. Read it carefully. It sounds nothing like what you suggest. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it says, “When He ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives, And He gave gifts to men.” Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things. And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:7-13 What did Jesus do? He gave gifts to the church. For what purpose? To equip the saints for the building up of the body of Christ. NOWHERE does it say that He opened seals to oppose the spreading of the gospel. You've gotten so far from the truth that you are saying things that contradict scripture. Jesus is not double-minded. He does not give gifts to further the gospel on one hand and then open seals to oppose the gospel on the other. Absurd.
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