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Bless are those who mourn because they will be comforted. And indeed they were when they saw the resurrected Jesus Christ. They were glad and rejoiced. And we have a lot more to be glad because we are in the Eternal Life of Jesus Christ who will always The King of Kings and above all. All knees will bow down to him nothing absolutely nothing can ever and forever separate us from him. No even our doubts and our fears. Because he is Lord and above all. We are not afraid to stand in front of him. Because we will stand in front of him in His Name and He knows that. Even if we do not feel worthy He will all the time remember that He died for us. And He is going to say "come forth you are worthy to me because I died also for you. Be of good cheers.

This must apply to everyone who believes in Jesus Christ and it should. Christians today also have their doctrinal light to guide them.

Good for discussion. A little busy today. Thanks for the post.

Follow ch 17 and 18. God talked to Abraham and Abraham said to him may Ismael be blessed. He question God. In 17 God told him when I ask you to do something you have to do it. The Jewish religion is works. Taking part in the Jewish calendar. The quiding stars in the Jewish religion. It starts with the new moon in the end of March or the beginning of April. Then the feast of Passover in two weeks, full moon. The Unleavened Bread Holidays and the participants continue to the day of Atonement. These are the guiding stars and the moons in the Jewish religion. This is why the Lord said regarding the their quiding moons. The moon will turn into blood and the stars will loose their light, turn into darkness and fall on the earth. The end of the Jewish religion. That's all about it. The Light of the Lord will guide his people from now on.

I am glad that you are thinking about it. Is it about the immunity within the Covenant of Cirumcision. A very simple thought. God wanted to have a Nation multiply in Egypt and then in great numbers to come to possess Canaan. The only way to do it, it was to give them immunity. Not to hold there sins against them. The were in Egypt he cannot give them worship and the Temple and the Priesthood in Egypt. That belong to other Gods. The dessert was his. His Holy mountain was there and it had to be in a Tent.

This is not what we discussing. We are on Isaiah 1 to include the context to verse 18. God told them why I should not do that not to forgive your sins when you are offering your sacrifice for sin without a contrite heart.

Are we not discussing Genesis 17th? This is why I said from the beginning Genesis 17th only. Not other people. Only the scriptures on Genesis 17th.

We have scriptures and we discussed scripture.

King Abimeleh the Canaan King said to Abraham. You have sin against me and my people by telling me that Sarah is your sister and the Lord promised me and the whole Nation and we are sterile. You sin and the Lord punished me and the whole Nation. Figure this one out. It's like Abraham had immunity to sin. Imputed righteousness.

I say that you have enough to sit down and read Genesis 17th and try to connect to it. You can asked someone who knows the English language even a simple person and ask him what does it say? And you can do that for your self. With self confidence carefully. Understand what it is written down. You do not need to be an English professor.

God gave you Genesis to read he wants to guide you himself. You, Genesis 17th and the Holy Spirit and a sound mind. You have to use what he has given you.

Sorry you have Genesis and you have the blessings to have a copy this is why I point earlier read it for your self without other people telling you what it means. They had to obey at the time of Cirumcision there is no confession of faith. Like is with the water baptism of an adult. Eight weeks old baby was circumcised. Abraham who circumcised adults never did any rituals for confession. And later he circumcised babies which it is impossible.

You have to read Isaiah 1 from verse one to understand that God was telling them who were in the Sinai Covenant that He will not forgive their sins even though they offered the sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins. He told them let's reason together you are not repenting. You say that we will sin and then we offered a sacrifice for our sins. God said you are in deep sin inspite of your sacrifices for sin because you are not doing it with a contrite heart. Lets reason together if you offered the sacrifices for the forgiveness of your sins with a contrite heart then I will forgive your sins and make you clean without spots. And to do that they had to be Israelites or Jews and they had to go to the Temple and give their sacrifices to the Priests in the Temple to slain or kill the sacrifice animal and take the blood from the dead Animal Lamb or goat and do the Atonement for their sins. At that time the Sinai Covenant was in place and there was no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood the sacrificial animal had to die and the Priest collects the blood and make the Atonement at the Altar and splash the sinner with the blood of the Atonement and his sin was forgiven. Till the next time when he sins again another sacrifice in the Temple for the Atonement of his sin. It was costly to have your sin forgiven as a deterrant for the people to be careful not to sin. Verse 18 says that God will not forgive them unless for Israelites only deeply repent and promise not to do it. Applies to Israelites under the Covenant of Sinai and before the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Choose Life our sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ death and resurrection. He died he payed the penalty for our sins which were upon him at the time of his death.

God told him to circumsized everyone but the Cirumcision did not included in the promises of the Covenant. Only to Issac and later to Jacob with whom God repeat the blessings of Abraham to them and all the children of Jacob and he called him Israel in him all his children were included and the foreigners to be included had to be adopted by a family of one of the tribes. How many souls went down to Egypt. 77 the backbone of the Nation of Israel.

@Anne2 If you draw a parallel to Abraham and the Covenant of Cirumcision and look at what Abraham did later on and what Judah did and the crimes of the other twelve Patriarhs nothing to say about Benjamin. And how they worship other God's even Moses who grew up in Pharaoh's Palace and the Lord still considered them to be his people, his Nation. Israel in my Son. Let my people go. Then you can see that their sins were not counted against them and they continued to be the Children of Abraham and the Nation of God in the Covenant of Cirumcision and they continued to be Gathered to Abraham in the Bossom of Abraham at their death time. They did not have forgiveness of sins they had the imputed righteousness of Abraham their sins like the sins of Abraham were not counted against them. Much like our sins are not counted against us in Jesus Christ. David understood exactly that because under the law they were Judge for their sins and he looked back to the Covenant of Cirumcision and he said bless is he to whom the Lord will not count his sins against him. In the Covenant of Cirumcision there was not Judgement for their sins. I hope you can see that and they were not cut off from the people of God and Abraham.

@Mr. M Please ask the questions to the specific issue at hand to have the chance to elaborate. Please within the Genesis context chapter 17 only. If it is about someone else the questions has to be to them. After we go through chapter 17 and take it apart then we can look at some others

At this time we are in Abraham the Lord imputed righteousness to him. Because he believed in what God promised him. Abraham never went to look for a blessing to anyother God. When he believed that God will still give him children inspite of his age God declared him a righteous man by degree. Till the Covenant of Cirumcision that required the obedience of Abraham to the Cirumcision and God included only Isaac in the imputed righteousness of Abraham. The Lord from the beginning wanted to have a Nation for himself from Abraham. The Nation of God had to be in righteousness to be his children. Their children were born to God they were God's children from the womb they will be born to him. They had to wait for eight days till the Mother the child were purified. Then they did the Cirumcision. Definitely this is what God required the sign in the flesh. I am not sure if Abraham connected to that in Genesis 15 but sure he connected to that in Genesis 17 because God included his children and their children's children. He said to Abraham walk with me and do what I will ask you. Please it is about Abraham. Issac was born to the Lord and God repeat his Covenant with him and not with the other children of Abraham.

There is the instructions to Abraham how to keep the covenant. Their sins were not counted against them in the Covenant of Cirumcision. This is why they did not have forgiveness of sins. It was a Covenant that required obedience to the Cirumcision. They were in the imputed righteousness of Abraham. At that time Abraham was in his imputed righteousness. And the Lord gave the same thing to his children. If not they couldn't be called his children. As Abraham was so they were.

This is not in any scripture. Esaiah never said that "we can reason with God to become clean. To believe in Jesus Christ we become clean because he is from God. Who died for the forgiveness of our sins. Our sins are forgiven as we are now in the New Covenant by believing in Jesus Christ that he died and pay the price for our sins.

It will help to sort out things if you read again Genesis 17th. Do not focus in what anyone else says. It is there.

I will consider that. But quoting the post did not make any comment and a lot of people who are reading this they would like to know your thoughts. Did Jesus Christ shed the blood of the New Covenant for the forgiveness of our sins in his blood after being tested and being punished with the lasses and died on the Cross. Did Jesus Christ said "tetelestai" and descended in the place of the dead and raised from the dead and ascended to Heaven to the Heavenly Father about 2000 years ago or before the foundations of the world? This question includes: choose Life or Death. If you say 2000 years ago you are in the Life of God in Jesus Christ. If you say it actually happened before the foundation of the world you have chosen "Death". As you deny that Jesus Christ came to earth about 2000 years ago born of the virgin Mary. John 1:9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. Was born from Mary about 2000 years ago in Bethlehem. He was born to die on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

The Lamb of God was to be slain. Jesus Christ the Lamb of God died on the Cross about 2000 years ago. This is what Jesus was saying all along. That I must die. There is no anyother way "I must die". Then Jesus Christ said the time is now. Jesus did not say that he died before the foundation of the world. Only it was decided that there is no anyother way for the redemption of the world. That he had to die. No other way. This was the will of the Heavenly Father. To make a liar everyone who says that Jesus Christ did not die. Without the death of Jesus Christ we do not have the Redemption. Because the Redemption of sins was made with the blood of the dead Lamb all the time in the book of Leviticus.

Can you really prove that in the context we are discussing how the sins of the Israelites were forgiven under the Law of Moses.

@In1 we were talking about how the sins of the Israelites were forgiven and you brought Esaiah into the picture. Esaiah was an Israelite and lived under the jurisdiction of the Sinai Covenant under the law of Moses. How the sins of the Israelites during the Sinai Covenant were forgiven? Do you have any knowledge? Do you Know how? Can AL help you? Or who ever is your advisor.

You are kidding me. Esaiah will never say anything like that. Are you sure about that? And Revelation is not from the disciples teachings. Are you sure the disciples teach that?