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  1. Hello saved 34, that's what one of the things Jesus Christ came to do... It is to secured the Life in us... Those two key words, "secured", and "LIFE", what is the meaning of them within the context of Jesus Christ has secured the LIFE in us... The same LIFE he has we have...by implication Jesus in one with the Father and us being one with him we are one with the Heavenly Father... to put it in the words of Jesus Christ.. as he was speaking to his disciples in the letter of John...and the Gospel... As the Apostle Paul put it sharing the same spirit...the Spirit of Life... Even if we are not all the time in the light as we can be in our selfs and needs and our particular circumstances, as we live in this world...which is not a pure world...and even if we are in a mode of a defiant behavior...whether in the spur of the moment....where logic and reason is absent...but it may come at a later time...and not to forget to include our deliberated premeditated actions...those who we know Jesus does not endorsed.... We can never find our selves in the place our predecessors found them selves.... As was Adam who was in the Life of his Creator... Adam had an unsecured Life... It depended in his full obedience to God... We don't need anyone to teach us that...we can see it for ourselves for what it follows... For we can see that the Creator who gave Life, of his Life to Adam....he had to deal with Adam who after his disobedience was in DEATH and not in the Life... The Creator Imidiatly made it known that man needs to have a secured LIFE...not the Life that comes with the burden of maintained it with ones own perfect obedience...as it was in the case of the first man with the Life....Adam... That time God promise that the seed of the woman....will disarm DEATH...as to not make it possible for death to come to man anymore the way it came to Adam... God by saying the seed of the woman. ..as we now know he talked about someone who will be born from the woman with the Life as it was not possible to have a man with the Life in him as Adam pass Death to everyone after him.... To make it brief we see that the promise was made that the seed of the woman will renter the sting of death upon mankind those with the Life inoperative... That Jesus Christ the giver of Life to Man...our next of kin....he has secured the Life in us with his own perfect obedience and death cannot come to him.... As he remained in the Life so we remain in the Life....his Life.... We are secured in him.... The Love of God to us in Jesus Christ....so we can live our life without the fear of DEATH... Our peace with God is Jesus Christ...in him we stand...and we will continue to stand as long as we believe... Jesus Christ has secured us in him...we stand behind him...death cannot get to us....thank Jesus for your redemption in your blood... It means Jesus Christ was from God in the Life and he died in perfect obedience, for the forgiveness of our sins....so he can also give us of his Life.. his Spirit...his Heavenly Inheritance...have no fear of Hell.. DEATH cannot touch a simple believer, even with a microscopic faith in Jesus Christ...he knows...even if we look in our selfs and wrongly have misjudged our selfs that from our actions it does not show that we believe....but we do believe even with the erroneous belief that we may not..judging our selfs from our thoughts and doings.
  2. I appreciate your reply... In my posting the question I raised it is as follows....I looked at Jesus before the Cross, and on his way to the Cross....as when he was praying in the Garden of Gesthimany... Before he subjected to full obedience surrendering himself to the Jews... We see that Jesus had a very troublesome and agonizing time... And he then said: there is no other way, I must drink this cup....or go through this baptism... That night in the garden Jesus must have considered a lot of things including the consequences of not going through "this baptism"...and show the consequences of not obeying the Heavenly Father and go through the torture and his sacrifice on the Cross... Jesus show what would have happened to him if he did not follow through with his mission to die on the Cross in full obedience to the Heavenly Father.... What do you thing the consequences for Jesus would be...for himself, if he disobeyed... Was the agony that he went through the result of seeing him self in the state of disobedience.... Would he be separated from God at the time of his disobedience....would death come on him the same way death came on Adam at the time of his disobedience?
  3. Hebrews 3 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 3 2 Jesus is faithful to God, who appointed him, in the same way that Moses was faithful when he served in God’s house. 3 Jesus deserves more praise than Moses in the same way that the builder of a house is praised more than the house. 4 After all, every house has a builder, but the builder of everything is God. 5 Moses was a faithful servant in God’s household. He told the people what God would say in the future. 6 But Christ is a faithful son in charge of God’s household. John 6: 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 God honor Jesus and made him Lord.. .............. The parable of the stewards and the talents is where Jesus is the master....and we are the stewards.... But in the parable: James Version (KJV) 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? This parable is about Jesus who humble himself and as a good servand was obedient, even obedien to died on the Cross and God made him Lord of all.
  4. I appreciate your response...but you have miscomprehend the mind of my posting in that.... In a number of ways... Peter's question to Jesus reflects his paying attention to what Jesus was talking and his mind set....trying to figure out why and what was the reason Jesus said that "parable"...Luke 12:41 Consider the context....we are before the Cross...Jesus is talking to his disciples in the presence of a big crowd...Luke 12:1... In the near past Jesus was saying parables having the Pharisees in his mind....and it was easily understood even by them...as they (the Jews or Pharisees) said to one another....he is talking about us... Peter asked the question because he wanted to know that if Jesus was including the multitude that was present.... Peter included himself and the other disciples in this parable...he perceived that Jesus was talking about them..(his disciples), and he wanted to know if Jesus was including the crowd...considering that he said that parable in the presence of the crowd... Usually Jesus was telling them, teaching them many things when they were alone...but why this time Jesus wanted the crowd to hear him saying those things...so Peter was wondering if Jesus was also said this parable not only for them...but also for the crowd.... And this Jesus reply in verse 42: Luke 12:42 King James Version (KJV) 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Luke 12:42-48 New International Version (NIV) 42 The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 43 It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. Take note...(my own comment) 44 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. Jesus answer to Peter is reflecting that this parable is about him... about his mission... it is about him... it may have an application to include the disciples and also the multitudes....with certain variations... but not this time as it stands, Jesus said this parable only for himself and no one elses.... in this parable we see that Jesus by that time he knew the honor by the Heavenly Father upon him when he remains in obedience to him in all that he has entrusted him.... and also we see that Jesus knew what will happened to him...if he disobey his Heavenly Father....as of that time...no one had the Heavenly Father....only Jesus was in the Life..... so Jesus could say: my Heavenly Father....I in him...and he in me....we are one, not separated....I have of his life and of his Spirit....as we see at the time of Jesus Baptism.... we see that Jesus considered the consequences if he disosobey him....the Father....he will himsel be lost and cut off...from God and he will die and remain in the place of the dead for ever without any hope.... This was only for him and not the disciples or anyone else.... As Jesus had to carry the burden to remain in the Life with his own obedience just like Adam...or risk to be in death.... We are secured in his Life....and we can never see death....even we disobey.... We are not in the fear of death as Adam was...spiritual death cannot come upon us, never...we may sin or disobey and still are in his life.... Only if Jesus die we will die...and that's impossible. as he is so are we.... Darkness can come on believers...but can never give them death...spiritual.... The Devil can only give a believer only of his darkness. And only as long as he lives. When the believer dies the darkness does not follow him...or cannot give him death....spiritual death...have no fear...live without the fear of death....the sting of death is one of Jesus trophies...Jesus took it from the devil... The Serpent bytes but his byte is without poison...he lost the glands that produce the poison....Jesus extracted them from him... Jesus....I have the Keys of Hades and Death....
  5. Here Jonh is not using the terminology of Jesus used when talking with Nicodemus as we are after the Cross, after everything had happened..the term "to be borne again", could be not use in calling a Gentiles to faith, as they were not in the family of God before...in other words from one family of God to the new family of God in Jesus Christ. he understood that they were in the new Covenant and that the whole world including the Jews were called to believe in Jesus Christ to be part of the family of Life...with the spirit of God...so they can worship God in spirit and in truth...he is telling that we are one in spirit with God through Jesus Christ and that we have an inheritance above.... When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus it was before the Cross and Nicodemus was part of the family of God...according to the old structure... Jesus never said to him that he is not in the family of God...according to the old...in fact he commented him that he is in perfect standing and blameless according to the old...which Jesus called "flesh", which required the people to cleanse them selfs and their cloths with water before they represent themselfs to the Lord...to be in obedience to the Law... Even the priests and the high priest were cleansing themselfs with water and their cloths.... Jesus was telling Nicodemus who was in the family of God according to the old...that he needs to believe in him after he see him lifted up on the Cross...to continue to be part of the family of God in Jesus Christ...the family with the Heavenly Inheritance and with the Spirit. One with God in Spirit. ..with the Life.. From one family of God...which was valid at that time...into the new family of God which was coming in Jesus Christ...by faith in him after the Cross... To be "born again could be said to the Jews before the Cross, as they had to wait for the cross..as they were in the family of God before the Cross... Not after the cross...who found themselves in their sins, in their ignorance...and their Abrahamic inheritance crush in the rock of Jesus Christ...the new foundation of the family of God...even Abraham had to believe in Jesus Christ...as he was waiting for the Christ with his offsprings in the place of the dead... After the cross to say to the Jew you need to be born again into the new family of God...is suggesting that he is in the family of God...the old one....no this is not correct...the Jew must see that he is lost in his sins...and reach out to Jesus Christ to be born from above by faith the same as a Greek or a Roman...the Jew must see the new family of God beginning at the Cross with the spirit of God...and thus with the life of God, and the Heavenly Inheritance, to realized he is lost in his sins... You can not say to Gentiles to be born again from one family of God the old to the new one...only we can tell them to believe to be born in the family of God by faith in Jesus Christ...one message to both, the Gentiles and the Jews.
  6. At first the Gospel was preached first to the Jews...and not to the Gentiles... It seems that at that time as the believers live in a very strict Jewish coulture around Jerusalem...for that reason not to offend and scandalized the Jews...they invited the Gentiles to joint them in some form of a Prosylite, with circumcision and cleansing ceremonies... Here we see John includes the Gentiles on the principal of faith alone...as in John 3:16...a call to the whole world to believe in Jesus Christ, the way everyone finds one own self the time they hear the good news of the Gospel... This is written after the Cross and we see how simple John put it...calling upon those who have come to faith through a lot of traditional ceremonies and confections... Not to judge those who call upon his name...the name of Jesus... They were caution by John....even though they know their background nationality and their conversation and quality of life...and even if they want to distance them selves from them....to remind them selves...that Jesus is accepting them by their faith and to stoped calling them unbelievers...
  7. God bless your posting... Hope you are not in a hurry, hope your health improves...you will know when that time comes...in the meantime smell the roses...rest... God bless
  8. Luke 12: Luke 12 King James Version (KJV) 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. .......... 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? ........... 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. .......... 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; ........... 4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. ........Then Jesus said: 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Jesus is not talking about himself.....when he said: Fear him, which after he hath killed....(Jesus did not come to Kill)...hath the power to cast into Hell...(Jesus is not talking about himself)... and Jesus finish by saying.."Fear him"... Peter asked in verse 41..Lord are saying this parable for us or for the multitudes... Jesus answer in v,42 Who is that faitfull and wise steward whom the Lord will make ruler over his house.... Context takes away the fear... Jesus has deliver us from the fear of death...in giving us his ETERNAL LIFE... The personal obedience is another matter... If Jesus does not asked someone anything...then how he can disobey him... Paul said did not grieve the Holy Spirit....the Holy Spirit must have asked something...and is misplease...then we feel the grieving of the Spirit within.... The samething when Paul in judging himself...he was grieving about it....when he found him self as a leader...together with the others beaten and in prison..in Philippie...wondering what did he do wrong... And then Paul said: the spirit of the Lord is joyful within me...he was guiding us to be where we are...what a surprise....less he tell us that we would be beaten and prison...and refused to continue in the mission...or careful hear...we might have rebuke him...and in his name...according to our understanding...
  9. I made some study and I have to disagree with your position that in Greek "unbelieve" and "disobedience" are the same greek words.... What do you mean the same greek words...when they are not.... In the example you gave they believe... What did they believe....they believe in the one who asked them to do something...to go over and to fight the people and take their land.... This was their Lord God...those people were the Israelites who came out from the Land of Egypt....they had witnessed everything the Lord God had done... They believe in him...in the Lord God...their God... You cannot say they did not believe in him.... He was their God and they were his people... He asked them to go and make war with the giants of the land among others....and they told him there must be a better way so all of them can inherit the Land, if not to make war...some would have die..... Some died in another war they made with Moses earlier.... They thought it was not fair and square...and they presented their point to him... Remember he did not die for them he was not their Savior...the way Jesus is for us...hope you can understand the difference.... Jesus die so we can have life....he does not have death...he can only give what he has....EVERLASTING LIFE...OR ETERNAL LIFE... AS HE IS SO ARE WE... MADE IN HIS LIKENESS... HE IS RIGHTEOUS AND SO ARE WE IN HIS NAME...HE HAS THE ETERNAL LIFE AND SO ARE WE...
  10. I am trying to understand your post...rereading it over again.... You posted something from John's teaching to the Christian community. I believe that Jonh wrote this passage to the Christian community having objerved something that needed to be deal with and clarify... John the disciple of Jesus Christ had a special blessing from God...we see that quite early he must have a gift to understand spiritual matters and Jesus knew that as he show John to comprehend truths easier and corectly than the others.... This must continue after Jesus had ascent...as Jesus continue to reveal and help John to see things with clarity... In John 3:36, John is addressing the standing of a believer of Jesus Christ... In John 3:16, John identifies Jesus as the Son of God...the only one who had the Life in himself... and he continues to say that Jesus after being tested he remained in full obedience to the Heavenly Father...even obedience till death on the cross. That Jesus not only had the Life...but he also lived his life in full obedience to God....this is why he remained in the Life he had, he was born with, with his full obedience... Correctly stating that if he had only once disobey God...he would no longer be in the Life...but he would fall...sin...instand of the Life he will be in death....and the world whould have been without the Light of God...both Jews and Gentiles.. This is the problem John was addressing...many were teaching and not just teaching...but they lived their lives with the fear believing that they were in the eternal life and they believe that Jesus is the life giver of God....the only one who can give the life to anyone who believes in him... This is not the problem...their problem was that they were taught to imitate Jesus and live their lives in like manner.... Even with the burden upon them to have to mantain the Life in them...in like manner as Jesus did...if not they will find themselves out of the LIFE of God....in death as the same thing whould have. Happen to Jesus.... It was easy for the Jewish believers to walk this path...because this is the similar path they walked under the Law... They had to remain in the Life and righteousness of the Law through their own obedience... We need to understand that more clearly from Paul's teachings because he had to deal with the same situation and a more severe one...involving Gentiles and Jewish believers.... Jesus was in similar situation as Adam was ...he was in the Life from the beginning and he had to remain in the Life with his own obedience. Strange as it is Jesus never experienced how it is when one is sinning or disobey God....but he got the terror of it and he lived in that moment in thought only in thinking..of it...in the Garden of Gesthimany.... He had to surrender and suffer in their hands and die on the Cross to stay in the Life and be the Savior.... But the life we have been given from Jesus is not the same as the Life Adam or Jesus had...before his death...which requires maintenance with ones obedience in living...the burden to remain in the Life with ones own obedience... We are given as a gift the eternal life....the everlasting life...as Jesus now has the everlasting or eternal Life himself. He can never find himself in a position to be tested in obedience to God.... Read upon Isaias 9:5,6,7 God has given him everything and honor Jesus and ade him Lord and Judge over all... God has retired...he is no longer is telling Jesus what to do... Jesus can never disobey him..and Jesus can never rebell against God...because their is nothing to gain ....God has given him everything he had ...even all God's powers are upon him...given to him...even the Holy Spirit of God. That's why John says that those believers who have the eternal Life by faith in Jesus Christ...they continue to be in the Eternal Life because of their faith in Jesus but they are under some state of contamination...because of their disobedient life style.... But not the condemnation of the one who has refused to believe in Jesus Christ and are lost in death whether they live the good life or not unless they believe.in Jesus Christ..and be in the Life... of the Son of God... The disobedient believers they are saved because of their faith in Jesus Christ the REDEEMER and LIFE Givers....even thought their sinful works of disobedience scream allowd demanding their condemnation to Hell. That makes the Devil Mad.... Their punishment is or may be an earthly one. Even the righteous are suffering and punish in this world....not in the hands of Jesus...but in the hands of life.and the enemies of the Gospel... Who am I to taulk about punishment anyway...when we are instructed pray for your enemies....bless and do not condemned....
  11. Isaiah 53 King James Version (KJV) 53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. King James Version (KJV) ................ Isaiah 53: gives us the Gospel of Jesus Christ...long time before it happened...and it tell us how it will happen... This is to address the issue raised by the OP... first Identifies the one to whom the arm of the Lord is reveal that he will be the one to bring children to God...Isaiah also identifies who is the one to whom the arm of the Lord reveal...in Isaias 7:13,14... 13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. isaiah 9:1,2.. Isaiah 9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. 2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. ...... 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. ........... 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. ........ Isaiah 9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. 2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. ISAIAH identifies the place of the headquarters of Jesus Christ...as Galilee, and the Nations... .............Isaiah 9: 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. King James Version (KJV)
  12. I assume that you may have seeen this in dictionaries who define the word "pisteuo", or give synonymous words to the verb "believe". In what context of relationships we may use this word and not the other....you did not give us some examples to know and distinguish the diferences. The authors of the dictionaries have done so.. but you have not.... To suggest that the authors recommend that one can freely substitute words with a synonymous meaning is misleading and misguiding... The authors took and are in a position only to talk about relationships and promises made among men...or people.(to include everyone). Think for your self as there noumerous examples in promises people make and they cannot keep...which are subjects to other variances and conditions president... Even promises made with the intent to defraud and decieved...but asking and want the faith and trust and or commitment of the other party..... The doubt is always present together with the hope..... But in the Gospel of Jesus Christ there is a call to faith without any doubt...and there is not a need to trust Jesus for ones salvation...suggesting that Jesus is watching whether to grand his salvation to someone or revoke it....no this element to trust Jesus that he will make the favorable dicitions to want to save one who has faith in him and not the other... Base on some other criteria that faith in him....who call anyone to believe in him upon his death on the Cross... There so many other witnesses besides God...Jesus himself ....and the disciples....who testified about Jesus the CHRIST the Savior of he world... Who is exalted above all...to him yes is yes....there is not need to trust....trust includes the element of it may not be so... The element of doubt... And some underlying fear...that it may and it may not happen..as it still depends upon some future examination... Not this is not Jesus...Jesus Christ is the life and gives the life among other things the moment he sees faith in him in someones heart.... People cannot tell this particular moment....so they are saved and most often they seek to be saved.. They go after seeking to get something they have.... The Spirit within them is telling them that they are saved...crying "Aba-Father... But they mistake it as if the spirit is calling them to be saved.... Everyone who is walking down the front of a church is doing that with faith in his heart...saved person.... Very deceitful statements..... Jesus often said to those who believe in him...his disciples...to be obedient to many other things he would have to say to them.....suggesting to not to followed all of his instractions does not mean we do not believe...to the contrary it says to those who believe and are saved to follow his further asking...if not why Paul would say...or to whom Paul said: "do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God", do as he asks", was not Paul talking from his own experience??. Does that makes him an unbeliever in the Gospel...having his own way at times?...in his learning to pay more close attention to the Holy Spirit and walk by faith as blind man than walk in is own understanding...in his own light.. To those who believe in his name.....or call upon him....to obey and believe in his Gospel that he is the CHRIST of God....the Messiah....9 Jesus died and call liars to believe in him....to make the Devil mad...... So it is known to the Devil he cannot have anyone who believes in him...liars or not liars...
  13. John 6: 28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” In chapter 6, after Jesus did a lot of miracles and fed the thousands with the loaf of bread and the three fish...people followed him everywhere...it does not mean that all of them understood who he realy was and all about his mission... So they asked a question wanting to know why he was having this power... The wanted him to tell them what and how he had that power...how it was given to him....what kind of a test did he had to pass....or what was the requirements that he as asked to go through...to be given this power and wanted to know how he got that gift.... The question was not about them ...they use this line of questioning to learn how Jesus got this power.... They did not see him as the CHRIST the promise one to come.... We see that in the next verses when after Jesus telling them about who he was the Son of God...the CHRIST to come...they asked...what kind of sign will you give us to believe that you are the CHRIST the Messiah... Jesus actually gave them the correct answer...he told them the same thing he said to his disciples... If you believe in me the same things that I do...you will also do in my name...and you will also have the spiritual guidance within you from God ....telling you what to do....being in him....one with him....in his presence and live and not die....without going into the Holy place where only the High Priest could go...with the fear of his life.... Known sus talking about things come....forbitten under the Law...with death.... .jesus was talking being in the presense of GOD in spirit and truth...out of the Temple and the prieshood..... When we will be he Temple of God....
  14. John 8 New King James Version (NKJV) 23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” 25 Then they said to Him, “Who are You?” And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him.” 27 They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father. 28 Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift[m] up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. 29 And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him.” 30 As He spoke these words, many believed in Him. Luke 22 New King James Version (NKJV) 19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. ................ The Jews did not need Jesus to tell them that they are not from above...they were the seed of Abraham and they knew that Abraham was beneath gathering his seed in Sheol "the Bossom of Abraham"...waiting for the promish one "the Christ", the Annoynted the Messiah...to come to them to take them...to the Heavenly Father above... Many had believe that he was the one God had sent to take them to the Father...that he was from above...the Son of God who will take away the sin of the world....as John the Baptist was teaching and he had pointed to Jesus Christ.. Many of them as some of his disciples were under the blessings of John the Baptist... Jesus knew that they wanted to know how will this happen? How Jesus Christ descend to the Bossom of Abraham and when... They knew that Jesus cannot go to Abraham and his seed in the place of the dead...Abraham went there and also his seed after him after they die... They knew that the Christ will never die...then how he can descend to them.... Jesus took the opportunity to tell them the same thing he said to Nicodemus..."when you lift up the Son of Man then you will now that I am he"... Jesus not only was telling them that if they do not believe in him that they will be in their sins when he will die on the Cross...but if they die with their unbelieve that they find themselves lost and not in the Bossom of Abraham...with the hope of the Chist...because Abraham is not there anymore..as he would be taken to Heaven...in Jesus Christ name.... Jesus was telling them...that they would be doing what they used to do before his death....but at the time of his death...when he said the blood of the new covenant their following the Law was not ordained by God....they will be in their sins and not knowing it.... Still mistakenly believe that were under the righteousness of the Law when the righteousness of the Law was not ordained by God...it had been replaced in the new Covenant with the righteousness of Jesus Christ to everyone who believes in Jesus Christ...Jews or Gentiles as they were.... faced with the question....to believe unto life....or to refused to believe unto death....if they continue to denied faith in him till their death comes... PS Jesus was taulking to those who had the hope for the Christ and heard the news that he is the one...the Life Giver....and they did not believe in him till their death.... Not to those who did not believe because they never had the opportunity to be exposed and understand the message of the Gospel that Jesus is the heir of Heaven the Christ who died for the whole world for the forgiveness of our sins and theirs who had died before him..whom he met and preach the Gospel to them in the place of the dead....we must understand that he preach the Gospel to them who were out of their body and he invited them to believe in him for the forgiveness of their sins and the gift of eternal life...cannot be in any other way only by faith alone...as they were as they were...and can only be saved by faith alone....as we also are....same GOSPEL to all...for us also who are saved by faith alone....without putting us under provation.... Jesus knew that not everyone who believes will be his interested to know the things of God...and he assured them that he accepts as cold as they are...with faith in him....even the mustard seed faith....does not escape from him...to claim the people as his own....
  15. There is something not clear with your post...but that may point to something that carries the post that is not right... Paul knew something when he said to a group of dedicated believer...he must have understood something and a lot more than something...and that's how he put it...being always careful not to judge the faith in Jesus Christ in anyone of how the things they do and teach... Paul said: you are trying to earn what you already have.... That says a lot...he did not judge their faith in Jesus Christ...by how they understood it...because Paul sow that their faith in Jesus Christ has already saved them...and Jesus Christ knows that they are saved ....I do not mean from their habit...because who knows what will they do next...and their always new ones on the way...and life will bring them to their path... Not that's another part in not only a believer's life but in every ones life...at some point everyone is face with the need of rehabilitation... Paul understood that were saved from Hell...from being death to God...Paul knew that they are alived to God because of their faith in Jesus Christ....Heavenly bound...and they should live free from the fear of death and Hell... That's what Paul sow in them that they were afraid of Hell...as believers...and try to alliviate this fear by establishing thenselfs to a high level of obedience...to righteousness... Paul said that they are doing it for the wrong reasons...they are saved from Hell....and they still are trying to escape Hell... This situation does not Judge a believer...at all... Paul said they are trying to earn what they already have... They also have other reasons...Jesus visited all those who were rejected according to the Law.... Still they cannot see that...they only see the judgements of the Lord God upon the people who he could not saved anyway and give them life...and he knew that...that's why he had to do something about that.. Stop asking the Jews to make Attonment for their sins.. So he made the attonment for not only for them but for the whole world... He had to come in the flesh and be born in Bethlehem. And because he had the life. He can give the life to everyone who has his or is in his righteousness...any believer in him... Your peace with God rest in Jesus.... Your peace with Jesus rest in you.... Make Jesus your friend and not your judge of your actions....
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