Flsnookman

8 hours ago, Yowm said:

WE NEED MORE PREACHERS  LIKE HER...

 

My favorite Margaret Thatcher quote "Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't" 

Not to start up the debate here, but one of the wisest men I know once told me that free will/predestination were like standing on the railroad tracks and looking off in the distance, though the tracks are separate they become one. I guess I just think it is two sides of the same coin. Many will say that can not be but I believe just because we can not understand a thing does not make it untrue. I think this also holds true for almost every doctrinal argument we see everywhere. Saying 'my understanding of the unknowable is better than yours" is kind of ironic in a way. Meh, just my 2 cents.

Praying for you

2 Timothy 1:10  But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

John 6:50  This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

John 8:51  Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

14 hours ago, enoob57 said:

There is more reasoning here to do... of infinite ways and realities that exist lies in our God so there was infinite ways in which God could have created... It pleased God to start us in that which He has but we error in thinking it was the only way! There is an eternity past where the perfect 'IN SPIRIT' exists created essence is reflecting God's Pleasure not necessity... nor
necessary design as the New Heaven and New Earth after final judgement dictates we are unable to even think how it will be is the truth that I speak of

1 Cor 2:9-10

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
KJV
We know not knowing but by faith we are translated to give up all that we have began in to obtain that which we can't even know right now!
Love, Steven

So may I ask how is what you so eloquently say any different? You do not want to accept the Word at face value when it disagrees with you (response 1) but you will quickly quote it when you think it agrees with what you believe. I would say all of us do this to one extant or another. I would also say that it is ok as we each have our own walk with God and the Holy Spirit teaches us not what we think we should know but rather what God thinks we should know.  I think the danger for any of us comes when we "think" we know so much that we can no longer be taught. That said I do appreciate your views even though we may disagree.

My pastor at the church I attend the most and my "other" pastor both agree we have power to do all sorts of things. I was not a big believer in rebuking demons or healing until I met them. Though the gift of healing others has not as yet manifested itself to me I do occasionally rebuke demons. Five years ago I would have though this behavior sketchy at best but the more I learn the more I see.  I guess I am just saying we should  be so quick to discount something just because we don't understand it.

Isaiah 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

enoob57 doesn't that verse seem to say God did indeed create evil?

15 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Since God is a spirit (John 4:24) man could only be created in the spiritual image of God. But according to Genesis 5:1-3, only Adam and Eve were truly created in the image of God. The rest of us are the results of pro-creation, and carry the image of our father Adam. “This is the written account of Adam’s line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them “man.” When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth." (NIV) So, one major flaw of the arguments so far is that GOD created all humans, when HE only personally created two, Adam and Eve.

I think that we like God are triune beings. God is God the Father, Jesus and The Holy Spirit, we are flesh,soul and spirit. I think that's what it means when it says we are created in God's image.

4 minutes ago, Butero said:

Among evangelical ministers, I guarantee you there are more pastors with doctorates that believe Mary did have children besides Jesus than disagree with that.  By the way, who is the Pastor that has a book published that holds to your view? 

You don't even know what my view is, you just get very upset when I say to you the same thing you accused me of. I will pass as I practice neither politics nor religion.  Good night sir.

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

There's only room for doubt when one is looking for a reason to doubt. Any plain reading of Scripture shows that Jesus' brothers and sisters were from Mary. It takes someone looking to read into Scripture their own pet doctrine (eisegesis) to come up with a different take.

Uh, I'll go ahead and side with the pastors since they both have doctorates and one has many books published. If the Word doesn't explicitly say mary had other children then it is you who is"reading into scripture your own pet doctrine (eisegesis)".

1 John 4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Seems to say we are as Jesus is here and now....just sayin.

2 hours ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

But yet, you teach that Jesus does not have any brothers or sisters, even though the Bible specifically States he does. 

 

Hmmm. Ok im no catholic but I have had 2 very knowledgeable pastors say that just because the bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters it doesnt say who their mother was. A small point to be sure but I dont think its possible to prove biblically whether mary had children after Jesus. I dont think it matters as she would still need salvation, i'm just saying don't be so fast to claim absolute truth when there is still room for doubt.

1 hour ago, PatrolMan said:

Remember what that old serpent told Eve? She was with God, disobeyed and died spiritually, many are going to go for the lie, it's hard to obey God and easier to do your own thing.

The lie is that we can undo what God has done, the lie is we are not saints and the righteousness of God in Christ, the lie is we are still our old sinful selves and not new creations in Christ. It is far easier to believe we are still sinners because thats how it "feels" or thats what we "think", it is very difficult to believe we are who God says we are when all we see points to the opposite. Remember faith is believing in what we can not see.

Spiritually we are perfect once we are saved as the Word says in 1 John 4:17. We still have this wicked flesh to deal with in this life however that is NOT our true identity once we are saved.

11 minutes ago, wincam said:

 

John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Hmmm, seems to read MAN as in adult. Again this point is so obvious that I wont even argue it with you. If you truly believe babies who die do not go to Heaven then you simply do not know Jesus.

Matthew 19:14  But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Anyone who thinks babies who die or are murdered go anywhere but Heaven should take another look about what Jesus says about children.

4 minutes ago, post said:

what does a person abandon when they turn virtually every thread they participate in into a 'flat earth' argument? 
what does a person abandon when they turn virtually every thread they participate in into an 'evolution' argument? 
what does a person abandon when they turn virtually every thread they participate in into a 'KJV Bible' argument?
what does a person abandon when they turn virtually every thread they participate in into a 'liberals' argument?
what does a person abandon when they think virtually every post another person makes is a personal attack on them? 

what is the basic fallacy and dead-giveaway of 'Hebrew Roots' fanatics? 
isn't it that preaching Torah at all times, they neglect and ignore the gospel of Christ? 

isn't the issue with so much of this that people call themselves 'christian' and then talk so little of Christ? 
that they do not lift up the Son of God? 

we must lift up the Son of God. 
that is what we were chosen for, if we are in Him. 
for His glory -- and to glorify Him. 

who will hear the gospel of His life and death and resurrection, of who He is and what He has done, if we never talk about Him? 
 

Well, it's a forum so it's kind of a place where people can pose differing views....just sayin.

How about Eph 1:13 or John 6:39 or John 10:28-29 or 1 John 2:19? Or the hundreds of other verses that support OSAS? I find it fascinating that you can use a few  scriptures to support an unusual idea about the rapture but you fail to grasp Jesus message of eternal salvation and life everlasting.  To me the rapture is moot anyway, stroke,hit by a truck,raptured or old age when I die I go to be with Jesus forever as He has promised I have no need to fear otherwise. I often wonder if the people who picture God as hiding behind a tree waiting to snatch back salvation even know Jesus at all. They certainly do not have a relationship with the Jesus I know,love and serve. Meh, I guess all I can do is pray for them so I will.

OK, not being mean or dismissive at all but I have a few questions for the flat earth folks. First, if the earth is a flat disc what is on the other side? Second, wouldn't the sunrise be immediate? I mean wouldn't it just pop up all at once? Third, why is it dark in some parts of the world when it's daylight in others? Shouldn't it all be in light or dark at the same time? And last, have you ever seen a ship sail away? Again, no disrespect intended. Thank you in advance for the answers.

The holocaust was in no way,shape or form the fault of the jews. It is easy to say with hindsight "they should have left" but many did not have the means and no one could have known what was going to happen. Even when it started being reported it was not believed.  Hitler used fear and anger to take power then used racism and bigotry to keep it. In fact there is someone running for office today who is using the same tactics quite successfully.  Is the stage being set for another sort of reign of terror? Most will say absolutely not but then again that is what most said in the early 1930s as well. Whenever someone takes power based on fear and anger instead of ideas history has shown it to be a bad thing. Not really trying to make this a political post I am just saying don't judge people in the past based on what we know now. It is an easy thing to pick the winners of Sunday's games on Monday.

Yes, but why was it "the knowledge of good and evil" that did this? Why was it something that was not an issue until they partook of "the knowledge of good and evil"?

I will venture a guess, I think it's because as paul says that before the law there was no sin. If they had no knowledge then there was no law and ergo no sin. That might not be biblical I will research it.

Interesting subject. At first it seems easy to say everyone knows right from wrong but after thinking about it I would say it's a matter of perspective. If we look at certain tribes in new guinea for example they practiced head hunting. To them taking an enemies head was "good". In other places cannibalism and child sacrifice were considered "good".  In certain warrior societies the amount of people you killed was what set  you apart. If you were raised to believe that stealing and dealing drugs were good you would believe that no matter what anyone else told you, this I know from personal experience. I once hung out with people who were 5th and 6th generation thieves and they celebrated it. Was it right? Obviously I don't think so but to them it was "good". 

Apart from salvation I don't think we really can judge right from wrong, oh we can have opinions and feelings and go by what we have been taught but until we are made Holy by God I don't think the real ability exists within us. Of course I may be way off base here just my 2 cents worth.

OK, in Matthew we who are saved are not on the left. In Mark Jesus is using these examples to show a need for a savior. Look, hell is obviously bad but Jesus message was not one of fear in fact it was and is the opposite. We who are saved are told the we may have boldness in the day of judgement (1 John 4:17) and that we face no condemnation (Romans 8:1). God doesn't want to scare us into believing. 2 Timothy 1:7  For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Fear frees no one but John 8:36  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

I am not cherry picking certain verses but rather I am referring to the gospel of Jesus Christ and it is one of healing and faith not fear and damnation.

2 hours ago, Davida said:

Jesus taught alot about hell.

Where exactly?