Daniel9601

Do you think Israel has divine origins?

No infact Israel seems to think that by what it does, not me. Talk to SuperJew and shilo, they feel strongly in that issue. My thread is "why do we back Israel"

And infact, if you read my post, i called your QUESTION stupid. not you. Because i dont know you, i only know your question.

It depends what you think Divine Origins of Israel are. If it means god is on your side, then surely he would have won it for you by now? Logically.

thats a stupid question! You answer me the opposite question! how is ISRAEL DIVINE? how? if its meant to be soo holy, then why isnt it? Israel=Serbia Both of them occupy a weaker nation, and no one cares. Bosnia=Palestine Both of them claim they are a heavenly people. Both of them glorify their killing

From various other members here SuperJew, and shiloh357 in particular, some of the things they have said, have, blurred the distinction between themselves, and the ones they hate, the muslims/french/anyone Why do we all support Israel which claims to have divine origins, when it doesn't? Why do we support its killing of Palestinians? Why? Is this just? Does it make the grass grow greener? Does it? Does it bring a smile to someone's face NOT at the cost of a Palestinian? Why do we back Israel? When we realise Israel has NO DIVINE roots, we realise, and begin to see, that they are no different from the serbs, or the Nazis, or the Communists. Do you really want to associate yourselves with those nations? For they dont seem to be any different than you, they all (apart from the commies i admit) claim to be on God's side, when will we as christians be opened from our blindness that Israel=Serbia?

(apologies i cant quote) But going back to Super Jew's statements:] First of all i shall handle this peice of Nazi style rubbish LOL MAN! Oh you're serious? Oh no! Help! we've got a murderer on our hands! RUN!!! Not JUST a murderer, a mass killer, who thinks god is on his side! they're the worst! I think you have this mistaken with a different website SuperJew and.... Look, um, SuperJew, im not even going to start on that one, thats the kind of c**p you hear from Muslims isnt it? swap your bible for a Koran, and you could move to Palestine. Dont you understand? you're no better than the muslims, killing the jews. You're (like a parent telling off his fighting children) as bad as eachother! just stop! and beg for God's forgiveness!

Hmm. Well, everyone says Wisdom. Solomon said that, and that was the end of Israel, so id " not " say that. lol but i can see what people mean. With wisdom come clarity and good descicions, and love/fear of g-d/god, which would lead to a well led life basically.

Yes yes. Lets all pat nathan on the head and say he's too young and pretend we know better. Without helping him at all. Come on! we were all like that at his age. Do we ever get any different? love at 14 is no different from love at 24, 34 etc. only the older you are, the more you get up to, soooo the less purer it is, soooo the younger you are the better. unless love leads to marriage, its a waste of time. And as adults, we shouldnt think that with age, love matures. Its marriage, not "older love" that distinguishes us.

What loyalty do you refer to? Were you both married? If not, then there wasnt much to break. And your relationship can easily be made again, with a different person. You never said "I do" to her, and she neither. So what is she betraying? She hasn't made a vow to stay with you, move on. And get married, thats when you actually (really) have the right to say "oi! dont leave me! you promised you wouldnt!"

Are the modern Israelis God's people? The palestinians dont think so www.hamasonline.com Should we, as christians, not pentacostilianbaptisitianscatholicsnonsensehypocrits, just christians, back everything they do? If they are God's children, just as they were in the OT, then should we take a different view on them?

The Guardian, a staunchly secular newspaper in the UK said this a few days ago on its headline, if anyone can find the clip on the internet i would be impressed: www.guardian.co.uk it might be under past papers, but i read it hard copy a picture of the Tsunami wreckage and a caption "how can organized religion explain this?" I laughed. the answer is "we can explain, but you wont listen anyway," and if we as christians did explain that "god didnt do it," they (the guardian) still wouldnt listen. It really does annoy me slightly that the world (the secular non beleiving Guardian goggling world) is SOOO quick to shake their fist at religion (christianity in particular, in the guardian's case) and consequently, GOD, and blurt out the usual "why does god let bad things happen, if he loved us, then why did the Tsunami happen?" they dont want an answer. Well, quite frankly, did god let, um, er, Normandy beach landings happen? Did god save indonesia from the clutches of Japanese Colonial ambition? That God! hes always defeating corrupt evil empires! Expect him to do that kind of thing, the point is these people (people like the guardian headline writer) are ready to accept ANything good that happens, but never anything bad. To quickly disgard what they want, like a child at christmas, their gratfulness never lasts long, and they make more fuss over the present they hated rather than the one they loved. Why does god let soo many bad things happen? (Flip the coin you idiot . . .) Why does god let soo many, GOOD things happen?