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Kwikphilly, Of course its says that "all moving creature that hath life". Prehistoric people has life and moveth - originated and evolved from the waters. Even science agrees with the Scripture that all living creatures / species originated from the waters Gen 1:21. I guess you also need to dispute your issue with the Scripture and Science. Of course with the exception of Adam, who was made from the dust of the ground on the 3rd day - AFTER the mist watered the whole face of the ground. But as I have said before, you can believe whatever you want. God bless

Hazard, You are being dishonest. How many times will I tell you that ALL MOVING CREATURE WAS BROUGHT FORTH FROM THE WATERS as documented in the Scripture - ref Gen 1:21 - including the prehistoric people - called Cro Magnon. Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. v21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Your argument is distorted and fallacious.

Hazard, Angels are ministering spirits - not flesh - and would not be able to perform sex with Humans simply because they don't have flesh and bone - as documented in Gen 6:3 -so much so producing offspring together. That is just based on wild imagination of men. Either you are not reading properly or really having a problem understanding my posts - based on your rebuttals - which is most of the time, out of context to the issues at hand that you are contending for discussion. JMHO Below are my recorded stand for your convenience and review - to see, if you really understand my position of the matter before you arguing about it. Based on your arguments, seemingly, you are way off the left field - and not directly addressing the issues at hand.

Correct, but you missed reading the prophecy of Gen 6:4 which says... "and also after that"... Gen. 6:1-5 shows that the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) married the daughter of men (Human), and their offspring were mighty men of old. These men inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam, but were wicked, and unbelieving. Their violent nature caused the destruction of the 1st world.Gen. 6:13 Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen. 6:4 calls these men giants of the 1st world and also indicates that this union between them and Adam's descendants, would happen again, this time, on our own world. "And also after that" is prophecy that the sons of God and the descendants of Adam would unite again, after the union of the 1st world - which was totally destroyed by the flood. The prehistoric people or sons of God were already here- living on this present planet for millions of years before Noah arrived some 10k years ago. They were also brought forth from the waters as commanded in Gen 1:21 on the 5th day.Gen. 10:8 fulfills the prophecy of Gen. 6:4 - after Noah' Ark arrived here in our own world - and Cush marries a woman whose ancestors also originated in the water. Cush, like Cain, had No one to marry, except the beings we call prehistoric people.Gen. 10:8 “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty one on earth.

Scripture? No?...... Oh ok.... I understand, believe whatever you want....

The giants (Gen 6:4) were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution,showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

LOL.... Oh well, Enjoy your day. and have a good one..

Well, that's what' going happen, if you keep Editing the Thrust of Other's Quotes .... you will come up with distorted view and fallacious argument. Here's my previous quotes in response to the same issue you brought up... that you again EDITED and IGNORE.... in order to continue your argument. P.S. If you want to have further discussion, then, have the courtesy - do not edit the thrust of the quotes you are having issue with.

Hello Ken, Sorry, I disagree. Your assumption of my post of the mystery of the olive leaf that came only from "speed reading" is unacceptable. Gen 8:10 10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; 11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth [was] an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth. The point is... The olive leaf pluck off in the mouth of the Dove could not have come from Adam’s world (as my premises alluded to above quote). It is a Biblical fact that Adam’s world was already destroyed in the flood after 150 days and is gone forever. 2 Peter 3:5- after Noah’s Ark landed at the mountains of Ararat. IOW, the olive leaf came from our present world - in the area somewhere in the mountains of Ararat. Perhaps, you also missed reading the basis of the premises of my Scriptural analysis below from previous postings.... The Flood began on Feb 17th of Noah's 600th year. Gen 7:11 The Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat n July 17th or 150 days after the flood began. Gen 8:4 [Gen 8:4 KJV] 4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. The Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world. The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained, end up floating in LakeVan,Turkey, the largest Lake in the area. It's in the mountains of Ararat some 75 miles wide. After 150 days, the firmament filled with water, it sank, and the entire FIRST Heaven, and all of it's inhabitants, were destroyed in the Flood, except those in the Ark. The Ark was covered and floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area, as the firmament sank. This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began as Gen 7:24 AND Gen 8:4 tell us Therefore, your multiple assumptions ref: underlined premises above could no longer be applied / valid, simply, because, the Ark is now in our present world and not on the first heaven - Adam's world. (based on the given premise above) God bless

No, private interpretation here. Almost all of my posts and assertions are based and supported with Scriptural analogies, science or history. Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth. That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Why? Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can enter the Kingdom of God. The complexity of views of the various denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination. Below is the complete thought of my Un-edited quote in question:

[Gen 1:20-21 KJV] 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and EVERY living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. So, who do you think created the homo sapiens called Cro Magnon, Satan? I bet, you really don't think they move, do you? See link ... http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/fossils/cro-magnon-1

Gen1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was brought forth from the waters on Day 5. This includes the prehistoric mankind or sons of God, as our Lord described them in Gen 6 who's origin is also from the waters - and is made flesh. Science agrees that all living creatures / species originated from the waters. Gen 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust of the ground. Some Religionist see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that the Scripture is mistranslated, They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally brought forth EVERY Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus squeezed, as a potter would mold a clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground (His/Their Kinds). The creatures made from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the waters and could produce offspring together. The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:4-7. This gives Mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures. Like the animals made from the dust, humans also married and produced children with Beings brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet. Incest was never a part of the multiplication process of Humankind, as far as the God’ righteousness is concerned. We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. We are all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam. God brought forth every living creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His/Their Kinds" from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day. We are all confined to our own kind (flesh) in order to have offspring and multiply. Gob Bless

Dear Readers, Isa 24:18-20 is like a "double edge sword" and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the FIRST Earth being clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood. However, it is also set up as a Snare or Trap to catch those willingly ignorant unbelievers of this last days. v18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in thesnare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. The Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the entire Earth of Adam were totally destroyed / dissolved - beneath the surface of the body of water in Lake Van, Turkey - in the interior of our hollow Earth. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally) The verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood and that the heavens and earth which are now will also be dissolved by fire. and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The same word in Isa 24:18 ”dissolved” - is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved unto fire and will melt with fervent heat. 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store (dissolved) , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? God Bless Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

The above is falsely implying that physical Giants were produced when Angels married and produced these "Giants" with Humans. This is UnScriptural because: Jesus tells us that Angels do not marry. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50 Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Unless one believes in Macro-Evolution Angels do NOT have flesh and bone, therefore, can NOT have sex with Humans. We are confined to our own kind (ManKind) to be able reproduce. Also the Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6 So please explain Scripturally HOW fallen Angels, who do NOT marry nor produce children with Humans, got out of their Chains, came to Earth and produced these Giants? The sons of God are what today's Science calls prehistoric mankind. They were creatures of FLESH which made it possible for God to produce 7 Billion Humans on Earth today, from Noah's THREE grandsons, and the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived. Today's Humans contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons married and produced children with Prehistoric women and the children INSTANTLY inherited Adam's Human intelligence which made them Giants INTELLECTUALLY when compared to their mamas. We know they had Flesh, just like Humans, because we find their bones all over the Earth from Millions of years ago, which was Millions of years BEFORE the FIRST Human, Noah, arrived on this "planet of Apes", some 10k years ago. Like today's Humans, Noah grew some grapes, and made some wine and got drunk and passed out naked, in his tent. Gen 9:21 This Scientific Proof that Noah was just like today's Humans. God Bless

There are many Religionists on this forum who continue to teach their doctrinal faith (based on ancient wild imagination of men) that the sons of God were Angels (???), but the context of the verse below completely eliminates Angels since the LORD is speaking of His disgust when He saw Humankind (Adam's descendants) begin to marry the sons of God (prehistoric people) which HE knew would bring Violence and Death to Human kind, for thousands of years into the FUTURE. That is when He cut Human lifespans almost 90%. The older a heathen gets, the meaner he gets. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Angels are NOT Flesh, but sons of God were (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the sons of God (prehistoric people) on this Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric people whose origin was in the water on Day 5, the sons of God. The sons of God married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have evolved from the water, as God told us. Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it. No ancient man traditional view could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself: Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb -Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water. The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah and his family brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.* SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric mankind) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric mankind settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth: Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE....http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from "Chimps", on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists seem to betotally ignorant of this Fact. Humans also were contaminated with the ERVs of the common ancestor of Chimps BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam. God Bless

EVERY living creature that moves, came forth from the Water, on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 and Science AGREES and dates the SAME event as beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago, but they were NOT Humans because they did NOT have Adam's high level of intelligence which like God to know good and evil. Gen 3:22 They came forth from the water just like any other animal. Adam was made some 10 Billion years earlier on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. He was the ONLY being made on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 (as Jesus meet) and therefore, could NOT have evolved from Apes because the FIRST Ape was not made for Billions of years AFTER Adam was formed of the dust of the ground (Gen 1:21). That's God's Truth. God Bless

Greetings FresnoJoe.... Amen to that! [Gen 8:5 KJV] 5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth [month], on the first [day] of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen. This was when the small window in the top of the Ark was opened. Until October 1st they could NOT see through the roof of the Ark. If they had opened the window on 7/17, they could have seen the tops of the mountains then. Gen 8:7 Noah released a Raven which did NOT return to the Ark. Gen 8:8-9 Then he released the Dove who returned and Noah thought the waters were on the face of the whole earth, so he took her back into the ark. Gen 8:10 Then Noah waited 7 days more and released the Dove again and this time she returned with an Olive leaf in her mouth. Can somebody explain HOW an Olive tree can germinate in the mud of a flooded Earth, grow up into a tree and put forth leaves in One week. Olive trees can take up to a year to germinate. That could have been another mystery, if, one believes that the Great Flood actually happened on our present world, isn’t it!? God bless

Hello Kan, The dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. The basis of their dating methodology leaves thousands of years more (if not double) to be added to the estimated numbers of years of the event of the Flood (6K) at the time Noah set foot on this present planet of ours. Below you will find the empirical evidence for the SUDDEN arrival of Human Farmers on this Planet. It happened some 10k + - years ago EXACTLY where God told us it did in Gen 8:4, in the mountains of Ararat. Notice that Big Lake which is between Mt. Ararat and the Center of the Fertile Crescent. Also notice the date when this event happened. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE The valleys just SW of these mountains are in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Earth. The FIRST Human farming, city building, and ALL of the traits of modern Humans began in this area. Gen 10:10 shows that the great grandsons of Noah BUILT these first Human cities, some of which are still standing. The important part is that HISTORY agrees, leaving the False assumption of Evolutionism is the odd man out, since it has NOT noticed this event. God bless

Ancient Mankind on this earth changed from Prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat. The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity on this planet was inherited from Noah' grand children, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric Men) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History. This event took place some 10K years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Evolutionism is Odd Man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture nor could produce evidence that we evolved from "Apes". Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html Gen. 6:1-5 shows that the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) married the daughter of men (Human), and their offspring were mighty men of old. These men inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam, but were wicked, and unbelieving. Their violent nature caused the destruction of the 1st world. Gen. 6:13 Gen. 6:4 calls these men giants of the 1st world and also indicates that this union between them and Adam's descendants, would happen again, this time, on our own world. "And also after that" is prophecy that the sons of God and the descendants of Adam would unite again, after the union of the 1st world - which was totally destroyed by the flood. Gen. 10:8 fulfills the prophecy of Gen. 6:4 - after Noah' Ark arrived here in our own world - and Cush marries a woman whose ancestors also originated in the water. Cush, like Cain, had No one to marry, except the beings we call prehistoric people. Gen. 10:8 “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty one on earth. The result of this union produced intellectual giants like Nimrod, who built the 1st Cities of on this Planet. History agrees. The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 200k years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam. The final result of the mixing of Adam's descendants and prehistoric man ALSO produced violent, unbelieving humans of today, and doomed this world to destruction. ll Peter 3:10 God bless

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4 Today's Evols are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past 10k years Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9 There was but ONE way to scatter Humanity over the face of this whole Earth from Babel. All the LORD had to do was scatter the descendants of Noah, who were the ONLY Humans on this Earth at the time, and Adam's unique Human intelligence would naturally spread to the point where there are more than 7 Billion Humans on Earth today. Yes, we are all descents with modification within our own kinds (mankind). This gives the maximum of Humans who have a free choice to believe what God told us in Genesis, or to believe the Lies of Satan. God is filling the 3rd Heaven with believers Today. He will NOT rest until it is filled. God bless

Well, just so you know, my friend, English is my second language. Therefore, try to understand, there might be words that I choose, to explain my position, that could very well be offensive to others.... and still, might not have known about it. If so, just let me know. However, there are times, I get emotional when attacked personally, just because, I differ from their traditional views, thus, I return their own medicine right away. I am still learning though.... how to be cool when personally attacked. ....... It's a long process, but, with God' help, I am open to new things and revelations. God bless P.S. I am a retired person.... perhaps, old enough to be your grandfather.

Dear Kan, Yes, could do that, however, let’s concentrate on the topic of this thread for the meantime. Obviously, most Christians do Not agree with me, but they see that I support my views with Scripture, but most have Never been taught what I post. In time, they accept me, but cling to the ideas they have been taught. As I have posted on the other thread (Genesis - From a Different Perspective - where I got banned participating) I love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn . The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action. When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know the Truth. God bless

Dear Kan, No, I am not suggesting that. Here's what I am saying... The Invisible Almighty God Father first Created the elements needed in order for his Son to Physically Make/Form the heavens and the earth with his own hands. In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The Son was brought forth into the physical world from the invisible realm of the Father in order for the Son to defeat the Darkness (death) that was upon the face of the Deep and give life to all physical thing that He will create and make. YHWH, the Son, is the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. Isa 43:10 In Him (YHWH) is the fullness of Godhead, bodily. The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form and changes not. God bless