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Dear Kan, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later: Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning. Jesus took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled off and became our Cosmos. That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds. Gen 1:1- tells us of the creation of the air, ground, without form or dust, and water came forth from the air. The LORD God (spoken of in Gen 2:4) took some of the air, dust, and water and made Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day. In fact EVERYTHING which exists physically is made of the air, dust and water which was created BEFORE the first Day when Jesus, the Light of the first Day, came forth from within the invisible Spirit of God, into the physical world. All living creatures were also given Life by Jesus. 3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. Here is where the Energy came from: 1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. God bless

AMEN . To God be the Glory! God bless you and yours always!

Translation: "I have no rebuttal". May the good Lord share you more wisdom and understanding. God bless

Dear Readers, As I have posted before on the other thread.... Genesis 1:1 is just a Preface or Introduction -The Story of the "Beginning" of the Physical World. Genesis 1:2 Narrates us the condition of the deep (dark - void) before the PHYSICAL world was. Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made that was made; before the world was. It's the Son, who was brought forth (begotten) into this physical world from the invisible realm of his Father when God spoke his Word in the Beginning and said... “Let there be light; and there was light. Gen 1:3 The Son provided the light in the beginning (Alpha) as He will also be the one to provide the light in the end (Omega). The True Light that shineth in heaven in the beginning and in the end (Jhn 1:9; 17:5; Rev 21:23.). [Rev 21:23 KJV] 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. IOW, there’s NOT anything Made BEFORE the True Light was brought forth in the beginning - before the world was .... (John 1:3-4) Therefore, there could NOT have anything made that was made to destroy in/between Gen 1:1-2 .... NOTHING; NADA; ZERO!!! The 1st formation of the Physical Heaven took place only on the 2nd Day (Gen 1:6-8)... not Gen 1:1. God bless

I support my views with Scriptures as my witnesses.... NO any other person is needed!

False, since NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-2 and Adam's Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:10... What existed was Air, Dust and Water without form and empty, which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day. Trying to force the words to mean that God made the first Earth in Gen 1:1 is refuted by Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 which BOTH show the formation of the first Earth on the THIRD Day. Teaching that God FAILED in His first attempt to make a physical world shows a complete misunderstanding of God. God doesn't FAIL and He wouldn't be God if He did. He Created heaven (Air), earth (Ground), and water is in the composition of the Air, BEFORE the first Day - to be used by Jesus to form or shape everything which exists. His Creation will be brought to perfection at the end of Genesis Chapter 1, showing that God does NOT make mistakes, and He certainly doesn't hide His "supposed" mistakes from us. No one Scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:20 ... One's interpretation MUST be supported by two or more witnesses according to Jesus. Mat 18:16 Can anyone show us another witness/verse which refutes the view that God made the elements for Creation BEFORE the first Day when Jesus came into the physical world to mold these elements into physical worlds? Amen?

Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd and 3rd Heavens were made on the 3rd Day. ll Corinthians 12:2 documents that the Apostle Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven. IOW, Scripture documents that there are 3 Heavens and you say you don't know about another World? Read ll Peter 3:5-7, and explain why God spoke of the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, which Perished. (Greek-Destroyed, Totally) Tell us the fate of the Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW, and explain where Christians will be when this happens. We both know that this World will be Burned, and you tell me Scripture does not speak of other Worlds? Read Revelation 21:1 and deny the complete documentation, Scripturally, of other Worlds. Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Dear kwikphilly, Thank you for your advise. But I don't think I was adding to the Scripture nor I am speculating/assuming.... I am analyzing the Scripture based on my Biblical understanding.... and for others to see and study the Scripture for themselves. Notice all the cited text are in blue or red colors - separated from my own words? Also, I make sure all of my my assertion is supported by Scripture... science or history if needed be. It's up to others who disagree with my posts to prove me wrong Scripturally, Scientifically or Historically. Take care and best wishes. God bless

Hello Ms. kwikphilly, Here's how I see it.... The Physical Making of the 1st Firmament of Heaven on the 2nd Day. The firmament of heaven Made (Gen 1:6-) was like a glass container (simile) in which God would build above the firmament. The firmament protected Adam's Earth from the water which completely surrounded this firmament . The verses below reveal this since God places water inside the firmament of heaven above.... Gen 1:6- And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. He then built solid ground (similar to a man made island) on top of the water under the heaven. Can you visualize our Lord God building a solid ground into the middle of water? IF you can, then, that’s more or less how God divided the waters from the waters. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. v10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. The firmament b/w Adam’s Earth and the heaven above was empty, containing only air. But then, went up the mist from Adam’s Earth on the 3rd Day.. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. ..... and the earth' atmosphere is formed. Now, we understand that Adam's firmament/heaven which was made the 2nd Day, Gen 1:8 and the mist that went up from Adam’s Earth on the 3rd Day forming the Earth’s Atmosphere..... the information below added to the account revealed in this verse: Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens (plural) and of the earth when they were created,in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, Notice: As you know, the 1st Firmament called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6- However, the immediate cited verse above (Gen.2:4) is speaking of other heavenS (plural) Made in the SAME day as Adam’s Earth. Gen 1:9. The ONLY Day the Earth and the other Heavens could have been made was the 3rd Day. Add the first heaven, made the 2nd Day, Gen 1:8 to the other heavens Gen 2:4 which were made the 3rd Day and you will see that God made 3 heavens/Universes by the THIRD Day = Multiverse, Amen? Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. God bless

In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following: The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our world, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19 Noah' Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20 On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? The Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world. The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained, end up floating in Lake Van, Turkey, the largest Lake in Turkey. It's in the mountains of Ararat and is some 75 miles wide. Adam's Earth had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden and the entire firmament, which God called Heaven, was placed in the interior of our hollow earth, beneath the surface of Lake Van. Peter tells us it was "out of the water and in the water". ll Peter 3:5 After 150 days, the firmament filled with water, it sank, and the entire FIRST Heaven, and all of it's inhabitants, were destroyed / dissolved in the Flood, except those in the Ark. The Ark was covered and floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area, as the firmament sank. This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began as Gen 7:24 AND Gen 8:4 tell us. Our God is an Awesome God and His Holy Word is the Truth, in every way. It's a mystery to those who have not been born again Spiritually. Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It was not meant to be an insult but only showing you where the Scripture disagree with your private interpretation.

Adam’s firmament of heaven was in a completely enclosed Biosphere, an incubator of Humanity. Adam's world was a Flat Earth, much smaller than our present world. The highest mountain was only 15 cubits in height (22 1/2 ft.) while our present world measures some 29k ft. high above sea level. Adam’s Earth had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden compared to our present world, has thousands of Rivers all over the face of our earth.

Sorry, but the Scripture does NOT agree with your private interpretation. Read it again, below... Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. v18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. v19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered. v20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered v24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days It was during the 40th day of the flood when the Ark started to rise up and floated above the ground of the earth. However, the water prevailed and INCREASED EXCEEDINGLY upon the earth for hundred fifty days BEFORE the flood was abated. And the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. (Gen 8:3-4) Gen 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that [was] with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged; 2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; 3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. 4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. Also, God did NOT "turned of the spigot" on the 40th day - as you would like us to believe - simply, because, the Fountains of the Great Deep were already Broken Up! Gen 7:11. It was only after the 150th Days when the waters were restrained and abated.

The Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's Earth 150 days after the flood began Gen 7:18-24. Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. v19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. v20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. v24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. It was also resting upon the mountains of Ararat on the same 150 days AFTER the flood began. Gen 8:4 Gen 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged; v2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained v3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. v4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Dear Readers, The idea that Noah brought a lot of animals in the Ark is Un-Scriptural . The total number could easily have been less than a thousand creatures. There was no need to bring creatures which were created from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 since those same creatures (Their Kind - Trinity) were already on our present Planet and had been here for Billions of years when the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van, Turkey) some 10k years ago. The creatures which were aboard the Ark were the creatures which Jesus, the Son, made with His own Hands (His Kind). Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this planet was a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human, and his name was Noah Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science agrees and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 10k +- years ago just south of Mt. Ararat.. God bless

P.S. Please accept my sincere apologies to those I have offended. I was out of line and very rude... It's one of my weaknesses. Still learning, though! God bless

The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins. In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following: The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our world, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8. Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like our present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19 Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft (15 cubits) above the highest elevation of Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20 On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? God bless

Seemingly, it is your reading comprehension and common sense that has some problem... Gen. 2:4-5 show us that the other "HeavenS" (Plural) were formed on the 3rd Day. My view was influenced by the Scriptural Fact that Scripture speaks of THREE Heavens. The first Heaven was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood. The second Heaven is our world, which is scheduled to be burned. The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21). The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8 The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4 The third heaven is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4 Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Sorry, my friend, but, seemingly, you are the one who's been reduce to NOTHING.... You can not even comprehend how to reconcile Biblical Proof Texts together... All you can do now is harp from the outside w/o basis & merit of your disagreement... 1 Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. v20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Dear Out of the Shadows, Here’s how you can reconcile the Physical forming of Adam from the dust of the ground becoming a NATURAL living soul, on the 3rd Day of Genesis.... Before he was Created in the image and likeness God, Spiritually, on the 6th Day... after he sinned; and called upon the name of the Lord - Gen. 4:26; and redeemed by being given a quickening spirit. "Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the Father), in the day that the LORD God (by the Son) MADE (formed/fashioned) the earth and the heavens, (Plural) The "Day" is the 3rd Day. One can see this because it is the "Day" in which the "Earth" is made. Gen. 1:9-10 confirms that the "Earth" was made on the 3rd Day. Heavens is Plural and shows that Jesus also made "Heavens", on the 3rd Day.* Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Further confirmation that these verses are speaking of the 3rd Day, BEFORE the plants, and herbs, which were made on the 3rd Day, Gen 1:11-12. Why is it so important for the 3rd Day to be identified. Read the next verses. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen. 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. As you should clearly see, Adam was made on the 3rd Day Before the plants, herbs, and rain. Once you understand this, you will see that Mankind has preeminence or first place among all other living creatures. It is also in agreement with the events of the 6th Day when the LORD made the animals from the dust and brought them to Adam to name them. Notice that Adam was ALONE at the beginning of the 6th Day. Gen 2:18 1 Cor 15:45- 46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. God bless

Genesis 2:4- 7 tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the first Earth was made, and the same Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which came forth from the water on the 5th Day.... and those creatures made by Jesus on the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named. Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded by a Shekinah Glory just like the one Jesus have, but lost his glory when he sinned. Scripture also tells us that God, whose full of Mercy, redeemed Adam and Eve of their "original sins” and were "created in their image and likeness" on the 6th Day after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) during Seth generations. (Gen. 5:1-3). 1 Cor 15:45- 46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. Our God is an awesome God.

The Book of Genesis tells us that God has but 7 Days. He has 6 Creative Days in which He labors to bring His Creation to Perfection. At the end of the 6th Day or Age, God gives man to eat of Every tree, including the Tree of Life. God also gives ALL animals to eat herbs as meat. (Gen.1:29-30) This Prophecy is Future because mankind has NEVER eaten of Every Tree and there has NEVER been a time when ALL animals were vegetarians. The Prophecy of Genesis 1:29-30 has NOT yet happened, which means that we remain in the 6th Day. When YHWH told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hrs. for he lived to be 930 years old, as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally. Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day of Creation. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect... Only then, on the 7th Day, God will rest and cease from ALL his work which He created and made. The 7th Day has no end = Eternal. Isa 46 v9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Dear angels4u, Please don't judge me simply because I differ from most of the traditional views on this forum - which, I can liken to the ancient goatherder's belief of old - based on wild imagination of men not supported by the Scripture. Of course, I am a Born Again Christian. Jesus is my Lord and Savior. My God! ..... You can check my Statement of Faith - my 1st postings in the Newbie's Thread. I realize that what I post is controversial, but I also realize that it agrees not only with Scripture, but also with true Science, and History. I do not write the things I write to cause others, problems, but I write to cause others to read and study Scripture, and to see that God's Word is the Truth in every way. God bless

Here's how one should read Genesis 1 for better understanding: Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail. What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future. IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1. Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Here's another Scriptural facts in Genesis that you might not like.... since I am sure it's contrary to your traditional views... In the day Adam & Eve were created in the image and likeness of God.... both have already committed their "original sins"; kicked-out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel. And the Redemption of A&E happened during the time after Seth was born. Got it? Sorry but that's the Truth.... and the TRUTH can only set you FREE. God bless