Seve

Good night.... see you guys tomorrow... 

God bless

26 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

No Seve,the Word of God does NOT say all moving creatures was brought forth etc...   it DOES say the waters brought forth the "moving creatures" that hath life,,,,let me explain,,,,,those would be "fish" & the creatures that live in the ocean       And God crated birds(those would be the winged creatures0 & other flying things,like bats probably,,,,,,theres no hidden mystery here,no cro magnon(early homo sapiens) in the Bible,,,,,,,

Note that when it says "after their kind",,,,that means the ocean creatures are ONE kind,,,,,,,animals are another kind,etc,,,,,,,

And BTW,no one here is arguing,there is no argument or debate,you are free to believe whatever you wish,it is just not Gods Word & nobody will agree to what you would like us to,,,,,,case closed

Kwikphilly,

Of course its says that "all moving creature that hath life". Prehistoric people has life and moveth - originated and evolved from the waters. Even science agrees with the Scripture that all living creatures / species originated from the waters Gen 1:21.

I guess you also need to dispute your issue with the Scripture and Science. 

Of course with the exception of Adam, who was made from the dust of the ground on the 3rd day - AFTER the mist watered the whole face of the ground.

But as I have said before, you can believe whatever you want. 

God bless 

14 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Seve wrote;

[The sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago, but they were NOT Humans because they did NOT  have Adam's high level of intelligence which like God to know good and evil. Gen 3:22 They came forth from the water just like any other animal.}

Sorry to burst you bubble Seve. Read John 1:1-3.

  John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
   

V. 2, The same was in the beginning with God.
 

V. 3, All things were made by Him, and without Him; WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE that was made.

Show us one Scripture which teaches prehistoric people diverged from chimps some 6 million years ago, and where anything came forth from the water just like any other animal?

 

Hazard,

You are being dishonest. How many times will I tell you that ALL MOVING CREATURE WAS BROUGHT FORTH FROM THE WATERS as documented in the Scripture - ref Gen 1:21 - including the prehistoric people - called Cro Magnon.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

v21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind:  and God saw that it was good.

Your argument is distorted and fallacious.

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

I'm getting the feeling that Seve believes God created Piltdown men, prehistoric men, all living things that move came from the ocean, as evolutionists believe? That angels did not father the giants? I'm trying to show that God created man and woman perfect and the giants were because of the sin of angels. maybe I am misunderstanding his posts?

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

Thank you kwikphilly. I don't want to offend or hurt anyone especially Seve, Just trying to point out that the Word of God is pure, its the truth, and it explains everything in detail if we get all the Scriptures on a doctrine being discussed and get then and understand them in their correct order.

Hazard,

Angels are ministering spirits - not flesh - and would not be able to perform sex with Humans simply because they don't have flesh and bone - as documented in Gen 6:3 -so much so producing offspring together. That is just based on wild imagination of men.

Either you are not reading properly or really having a problem understanding my posts - based on your rebuttals - which is most of the time, out of context to the issues at hand that you are contending for discussion. JMHO

Below are my recorded stand for your convenience and review - to see, if you really understand my position of the matter before you arguing about it. Based on your arguments, seemingly, you are way off the left field - and not directly addressing the issues at hand.

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There are many Religionists on this forum who continue to teach their doctrinal faith (based on ancient wild imagination of men) that the sons of God were Angels (???), but the context of the verse below completely eliminates Angels since the LORD is speaking of His disgust when He saw Humankind (Adam's descendants) begin to marry the sons of God (prehistoric people) which HE knew would bring Violence   and Death to Human kind, for thousands of years into the FUTURE. 

That is when He cut Human lifespans almost 90%. The older a heathen gets, the meaner he gets.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty  years.

Angels are NOT Flesh, but sons of God were (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4

 

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EVERY living creature that moves, came forth from the Water, on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 and Science AGREES and dates the SAME event as beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. 

The sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago, but they were NOT Humans because they did NOT  have Adam's high level of intelligence which like God to know good and evil. Gen 3:22 They came forth from the water just like any other animal.

Adam was made some 10 Billion years earlier on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. He was the ONLY being made on the 3rd  Day 

Gen 2:4-7 (as Jesus meet) and therefore, could NOT have evolved from Apes because the FIRST Ape was not  made for millions of years AFTER Adam was formed of the  dust of the ground Gen 1:21. That's God's Truth. 

 

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God also tells us HOW and WHEN the sons of God (prehistoric people) on this Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and  his descendants. God calls prehistoric people whose origin was in the water on Day 5, the sons of God.

The sons of God married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have evolved from the water, as God told us. Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live  since EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

No ancient man traditional view could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb -Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human  intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah and his family brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of  Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture,and the ONLY Human  civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.*

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric mankind) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric mankind settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the  empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE....http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from "Chimps", on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists seem to betotally ignorant of this Fact. Humans also were contaminated with the ERVs of the common ancestor of Chimps BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

They were giants:

Gen 6:4  There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Though it is likely that the first humans were very intelligent, giant means big, large statured in this context. I view it as simply unviable to think otherwise. Also, there has only been one earth and it was destroyed *in totality*:

Gen 6:13  And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 

Gen 6:17  And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

Really, the bible teaches that God destroyed everything on the earth in which was the "breath of life." That seems to mean everything that took breaths. This lines up perfectly with the fact that Noah had to bring every type of animal with him on the ark that wasn't a bug or a fish.

You are absolutely free to believe what you wish. However, I implore every person here reading this to be very careful in accepting claims such as the ones you are seeing made. They have very little basis, in some cases, and pretty much no basis, in most cases, in scripture. They are augmented primarily by what humans believe is their understanding of the earth and universe writ large. When the sovereign God of the universe says He destroyed the earth with water and killed everything that breathed except those which He kept as a remnant, He means it.

Even the word universe... uni-verse... single spoken sentence:

Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light....

C

30 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

 

Correct, but you missed reading the prophecy of Gen 6:4 which says... "and also after that"...

Gen. 6:1-5 shows that the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) married the daughter of men (Human), and their offspring were mighty men of old. These men  inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam, but were wicked, and unbelieving. Their violent nature caused the destruction of the 1st world.Gen. 6:13

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Gen. 6:4 calls these men giants of the 1st world and also indicates that this union between them and Adam's descendants, would  happen again,  this time, on our own world. "And also after that" is prophecy that the sons of God and the descendants of  Adam would unite again, after the union of the 1st world - which was totally destroyed by the flood.

The prehistoric people or sons of God were already here- living on this present planet for millions of years before Noah arrived some 10k years ago. They were also brought forth from the waters as commanded in Gen 1:21 on the 5th day.

Gen. 10:8 fulfills the prophecy of Gen. 6:4 - after Noah' Ark arrived here in our own world - and Cush marries a woman whose ancestors also  originated in the water. Cush, like Cain, had No one to marry, except the beings we call prehistoric people.

Gen. 10:8 “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty one on earth.
 

43 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

That is a normal looking God created Hunter Gatherer. He looks exactly the same as an Australian indigenous man. He is not the product of devolution. Bow, arrows, knife, digging throw stick. They never advanced as they should have because most were steeped in pagan worship and had turned away from God. The western nations advanced at an incredible rate because they remained tied to God.

When Cook landed on Australia the indigenous people here were walking around naked, killing and eating one another, and worshiping the great snake. many still believe and worship it to this day.

The Rainbow serpent is their creator, ie, Satan.

"The belief in the Rainbow Snake, a personification of fertility, increase (richness in propoagation of plants and animals) and rain, is common throughout Australia. It is a creator of human beings, having life-giving powers that send conception spirits to all the waterholes. It is responsible for regenerating rains, and also for storms and floods when it acts as an agent of punishment against those who transgress the law or upset it in any way. It swallows people in great floods and regurgitates their bones, which turn into stone, thus documenting such events. Rainbow snakes can also enter a man and endow him with magical powers, or leave 'little rainbows', their progeny, within his body which will make him ail and die. As the regenerative and reproductive power in nature and human beings, it is the main character in the region's major rituals." (from page 47, "Journey in Time", Reed 1993).

Scripture? No?...... Oh ok....  I understand, believe whatever you want.... 

20 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

Just for the record, I basically buy none of this regarding the whole local flood and "intellectual giants" (whatever that is lol). The bible is pretty specific. Men can misinterpret bones they find in the dirt all day long. God's word is forever :).

The giants (Gen 6:4) were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution,showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

29 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Seve,,,,

    I do not see anyone "editing" or twisting what you are saying,in quotes,,,,,what I do see is a lot of commentaries(by you) ,highlighted in red,in between the Holy Scriptures of Gods Word,,,,,,,,,Scripture must be read in Context and in full,it is very important who is being addressed & in what  point in time ,where etc.......One cannot take verses of Scripture out of context to support personal interpretation,,,,,,,

   Worthy readers....

These are the views of our posters,not Worthy Christian Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,                With love-in Christ,Kwik

LOL....   Oh well,  Enjoy your day. and have a good one..

5 hours ago, Kan said:

It appears you are saying that one person gets one meaning and another person gets another meaning, so what I was saying is that God only has one meaning for what he says and if two people come away with different interpretations  there is an error somewhere-- hence some one has a private interpretation

Well, that's what' going happen, if you keep Editing the Thrust of Other's Quotes .... you will come up with distorted view and fallacious argument. 

Here's my previous quotes in response to the same issue you brought up... that you again EDITED and IGNORE....  in order to continue your argument.

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No, private interpretation here. Almost all of my posts and assertions are based and supported with Scriptural analogies, science or history.

 

Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find  that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

 

That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth.

 

Why? Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can enter the Kingdom of God. The complexity of views of the various  denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination

And below, is exactly what I said to quickphilly on the other thread regarding the same.... in context to your twisted issue in question.

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It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other  discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

P.S. If you want to have further discussion, then, have the courtesy - do not edit the thrust of the quotes you are having issue with.

 

On 6/26/2016 at 6:08 AM, Seve said:

 

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Can somebody explain HOW an Olive tree can germinate in the mud of a flooded Earth, grow up into a tree and put forth leaves in  One week.  Olive trees can take up to a year to germinate. 

That could have been another mystery, if, one believes that the Great Flood actually happened on our present world, isn’t it!?

3 hours ago, Kan said:

The dove came back with an olive leaf which was plucked as the Bible states. It does not say it came back with a branch in its mouth, and neither does it say that the dove plucked it from an olive tree. At least not in the KJV. It is presumed by some people that the dove plucked a branch or olive leaf from a tree. But the Bible does not say that, it says that the olive leaf had been plucked. By the dove? no, by the elements, the wind, the tempest or whatever. It may have been floating high in space during the flood and settled a year later.

Noah wanted to know if the water had dried from off the land. He knew that the dove walks on dry ground and seeks to peck at seeds or whatever, and if the ground is wet it prefers to return to the dry deck of the ark as it did the first time. It does not look for a tree to start plucking olive leaves. A giraffe does that.

So your mystery of the olive tree growing in one week comes from speed reading.

Hello Ken,

Sorry, I disagree. Your assumption of my post of the mystery of the olive leaf that came only from  "speed reading" is unacceptable.

Gen 8:10 10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; 11 And the dove came in to him in the evening;  and, lo, in her mouth [was] an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

The point is... The olive leaf pluck off in the mouth of the Dove could not have come from Adam’s world (as my premises alluded to above quote). It is a Biblical fact that Adam’s world was already destroyed in the flood after 150 days and is gone forever. 2 Peter 3:5- after Noah’s Ark landed at the mountains of Ararat. 

IOW, the olive leaf came from our present world - in the area somewhere in the mountains of Ararat.

Perhaps, you also missed reading the basis of the premises of my Scriptural analysis below from previous postings....

The Flood began on Feb 17th of Noah's 600th year. Gen 7:11 The Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat n July 17th or 150 days after the flood began. Gen 8:4 

[Gen 8:4 KJV] 4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

The Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world. The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained, end up floating in LakeVan,Turkey,   the largest Lake in the area. It's in the mountains of Ararat some 75 miles wide.

After 150 days, the firmament filled with water, it sank, and the entire FIRST Heaven, and all of it's inhabitants, were destroyed in the Flood, except those in the Ark. 

The Ark was covered and floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area, as the firmament sank. This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began as Gen 7:24 AND Gen 8:4 tell us

Therefore, your multiple assumptions ref: underlined premises above could no longer be applied / valid, simply, because, the Ark is now in  our present world and not on the first heaven - Adam's world. (based on the given premise above)

 

God bless

 

7 hours ago, woundeddog said:

scripture is not up to private interpretation-- the Spirit will not reveal 2 different meanings

No, private interpretation here. Almost all of my posts and assertions are based and supported with Scriptural analogies, science or history.

Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find  that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth.

Why? Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can enter the Kingdom of God. The complexity of views of the various  denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination.

Below is the complete thought of my Un-edited quote in question: 

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 I love to see other  Christian's views, for that is the way we learn .

The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action. When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know the Truth.

 

6 hours ago, HAZARD said:

The words, "and every living creature that moveth," are mentioned in Gen. 1:21 and Lev.11:46.

Gen. 1:21, And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God created great whales. Great sea creatures. Some whales are said to become 40 to 100 feet in size and weigh 300,000 lbs. This verse literally reads, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures. And let fowl fly above the earth." There is no allusion to any productive power in the waters, of to the fowl being produced by the waters. God was the personal creator of each living creature (V. 21; 2:19).

 

Lev. 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

God did not create any men, prehistoric, missing links or any other type of man. God created Adam from the dust of the ground, and He then made Eve from one of Adams ribs, making Adam and Eve in His own, (God's) image and likeness, created He them.

[Gen 1:20-21 KJV] 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and EVERY living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

So, who do you think created the homo sapiens called Cro Magnon, Satan?    I bet, you really don't think they move, do you? 

See link ...  http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/fossils/cro-magnon-1

 

 

Gen1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was brought forth from the waters on Day 5. This includes the prehistoric mankind  or sons of God, as our Lord described them in Gen 6 who's origin is also from the waters - and is made flesh. Science agrees that all living creatures / species originated from the waters.

Gen 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust of the ground. Some Religionist see this as a contradiction,

and falsely assume that the Scripture is mistranslated, 
 
They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally brought forth EVERY Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5.

The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus squeezed, as a potter would mold a clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground (His/Their Kinds). 

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the waters and could produce offspring together. 
 
The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:4-7. This gives Mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, humans also married and produced children with Beings brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet. 

Incest was never a part of the multiplication process of Humankind, as far as the God’ righteousness is concerned.
 
We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. We are all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God brought forth every living creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His/Their Kinds" from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day.

We are all confined to our own kind (flesh) in order to have offspring and multiply.

Gob Bless

On 6/27/2016 at 5:40 AM, Seve said:

Ancient Mankind on this earth changed from Prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the  Mountains of Ararat.

The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity on this planet was inherited from  Noah' grand children, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of  God (Prehistoric Men) and    produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.

This event took place some 10K years ago, and History agrees with Scripture.  Evolutionism is Odd Man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture nor could produce evidence that we evolved from "Apes".

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html

God bless

Dear Readers, 

Isa 24:18-20 is like a "double edge sword" and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the FIRST Earth being clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during  the Flood. However, it is also set up as a Snare or Trap to catch those willingly ignorant unbelievers of this last days.

v18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in thesnare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. v19 The earth is utterly broken down,  the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression  thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the entire Earth of Adam were  totally destroyed / dissolved - beneath the surface of the body of water in Lake Van, Turkey - in the interior of our hollow Earth. 

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

The verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood and that the  heavens and earth which are now will also be dissolved by fire. and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. 

The same word in Isa 24:18 ”dissolved” - is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved unto fire and will melt with fervent heat.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store (dissolved) , reserved unto fire against the day of  judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

God Bless

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

The above is falsely implying that physical Giants were produced when Angels married and produced these "Giants" with Humans.   This is UnScriptural because: Jesus tells us that Angels do not marry. 

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50

Unless one believes in Macro-Evolution   Angels  do NOT have flesh and bone, therefore, can NOT have sex with Humans. We are confined to our own kind (ManKind) to be able reproduce.  

Also the Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6 So please explain Scripturally HOW fallen Angels, who do NOT marry nor produce children with Humans, got out of their Chains, came to Earth and produced these Giants?

The sons of God are what today's Science calls prehistoric mankind. They were creatures of FLESH which made it possible for God to produce 7 Billion Humans on Earth today, from Noah's THREE grandsons, and the prehistoric  people who were here when Noah arrived. 

Today's Humans contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons married and produced children with Prehistoric women and the children INSTANTLY inherited Adam's Human intelligence which made them Giants INTELLECTUALLY when compared to their mamas.

We know they had Flesh, just like Humans, because we find their bones all over the Earth from Millions of years ago, which was Millions of years BEFORE the FIRST Human, Noah, arrived on this "planet of Apes", some 10k years ago. 

Like today's Humans, Noah grew some grapes, and made some wine and got drunk and passed out naked, in his tent. Gen 9:21 This Scientific Proof that Noah was just like today's Humans. 

God Bless

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

That's devolution.

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They were angels who left their first estate, married the daughters of men and bore children who became the giants. These angels are now reserved in Chains for their sin and are awaiting judgment.

Jude 1:6, And the angels which kept not their first estate,10 but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This was Satans doing trying to break the clean line and prevent Jesus from being born.

There are many Religionists on this forum who continue to teach their doctrinal faith (based on ancient wild imagination of men) that the sons of God were Angels (???), but the context of the verse below completely eliminates Angels since the LORD is speaking of His disgust when He saw Humankind (Adam's descendants) begin to marry the sons of God (prehistoric people) which HE knew would bring Violence   and Death to Human kind, for thousands of years into the FUTURE. 

That is when He cut Human lifespans almost 90%. The older a heathen gets, the meaner he gets.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty  years.

Angels are NOT Flesh, but sons of God were (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4 

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the sons of God (prehistoric people) on this Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and  his descendants. God calls prehistoric people whose origin was in the water on Day 5, the sons of God.

The sons of God married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have evolved from the water, as God told us. Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live  since EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

No ancient man traditional view could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb -Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human  intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah and his family brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of  Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human  civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.*

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric mankind) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric mankind settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the  empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE....http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from "Chimps", on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists seem to betotally ignorant of this Fact. Humans also were contaminated with the ERVs of the common ancestor of Chimps BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

God Bless

EVERY living creature that moves, came forth from the Water, on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 and Science AGREES and dates the SAME event as beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. 

The sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago, but they were NOT Humans because they did NOT  have Adam's high level of intelligence which like God to know good and evil. Gen 3:22 They came forth from the water just like any other animal.

Adam was made some 10 Billion years earlier on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. He was the ONLY being made on the 3rd  Day Gen 2:4-7 (as Jesus meet) and therefore, could NOT have evolved from Apes because the FIRST Ape was not made for Billions of years AFTER Adam was formed of the dust of the ground (Gen 1:21). That's God's Truth. 

God Bless

2 hours ago, FresnoJoe said:

Welcome Beloved~! Thank You, This Is One Interesting Thread

Noah was 600 years old when the flood came to the earth. Noah, his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives went into the ship to escape the floodwaters. Clean and unclean animals, birds, and creatures that crawl on the ground came to Noah to go into the ship in pairs (a male and female of each) as God had commanded Noah. Seven days later the flood came on the earth. On the seventeenth day of the second month of the six hundredth year of Noah's life, all the deep springs burst open. The sky opened, and rain came pouring down on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights.

On that same day Noah and his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, as well as Noah's wife and his three daughters-in-law went into the ship. They had with them every type of wild animal, every type of domestic animal, every type of creature that crawls on the earth, and every type of bird (every creature with wings). A pair of every living, breathing animal came to Noah to go into the ship. A male and a female of every animal went in as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD closed the door behind them. Genesis 7:6-16 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

And That Was One Fast Drain

The flood continued for 40 days on the earth. The water increased and lifted the ship so that it rose high above the ground. As the water rose and became very deep, the ship floated on top of the water. The water rose very high above the earth. It covered all the high mountains everywhere under the sky. It rose 23 feet above the mountaintops. Every creature that crawls on the earth died, including birds, domestic and wild animals, and everything that swarms over the earth, along with every human. Everything on dry land (every living, breathing creature) died. Every living creature on the face of the earth was wiped out. Humans, domestic animals, crawling creatures, and birds were wiped off the earth. Only Noah and those with him in the ship were left. The floodwaters were on the earth for 150 days. Genesis 7:17-24 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

God Put In There

God remembered Noah and all the wild and domestic animals with him in the ship. So God made a wind blow over the earth, and the water started to go down. The deep springs and the sky had been shut, and the rain had stopped pouring. The water began to recede from the land. At the end of 150 days the water had decreased. On the seventeenth day of the seventh month, the ship came to rest in the mountains of Ararat. The water kept decreasing until the tenth month. On the first day of the tenth month, the tops of the mountains appeared. Genesis 8:1-5 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

You Think

After 40 more days Noah opened the window he had made in the ship and sent out a raven. It kept flying back and forth until the water on the land had dried up. Next, he sent out a dove to see if the water was gone from the surface of the ground. The dove couldn't find a place to land because the water was still all over the earth. So it came back to Noah in the ship. He reached out and brought the dove back into the ship. He waited seven more days and again sent the dove out of the ship. The dove came to him in the evening, and in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf. Then Noah knew that the water was gone from the earth. He waited seven more days and sent out the dove again, but it never came back to him.

By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water on the land had dried up. Noah opened the top of the ship, looked out, and saw the surface of the ground. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the land was dry. Then God spoke to Noah, "Come out of the ship with your wife, your sons, and your sons' wives. Bring out every animal that's with you: birds, domestic animals, and every creature that crawls on the earth. Be fertile, increase in number, and spread over the earth." So Noah came out with his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives. Every animal, crawling creature, and bird-everything that moves on the earth-came out of the ship, one kind after another. Genesis 8:6-19 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 (King James Bible)

Love, Your Brother Joe

Greetings FresnoJoe.... Amen to that!

This was when the small window in the top of the Ark was opened. Until October 1st they could NOT see through the roof of the Ark. If they had  opened the window on 7/17, they could have seen the tops of the mountains then.

Gen 8:7 Noah released a Raven which did NOT return to the Ark.  

Gen 8:8-9 Then he released the Dove who returned and Noah thought the waters were on the face of the whole earth, so he took her  back into the ark.  

Gen 8:10 Then Noah waited 7 days more and released the Dove again and this time she returned with an Olive leaf in her mouth. 

Can somebody explain HOW an Olive tree can germinate in the mud of a flooded Earth, grow up into a tree and put forth leaves in  One week.  Olive trees can take up to a year to germinate. 

That could have been another mystery, if, one believes that the Great Flood actually happened on our present world, isn’t it!?

God bless

29 minutes ago, Kan said:

Cultural background may have something to do with how you read and comprehend, which is different. Sometimes it is a definite advantage and other times not.

Most people with an English speaking background have a fairly good knowledge of the Genesis account and the flood. The English language, or any language, is best interpreted by its corresponding culture.

What I am saying is that the general opinions of the people on this forum are centered on a sound Christian understanding of the English Bible, and if they find that your ideas cannot be supported from the Bible, they will tell you, as they have. 

You have picked up on some things which many people haven't, but on the other hand you have missed out on the basics of Bible History.

For example, if we trace the genealogy of Christ back to Adam, we have about 4,000 years of earth's history. So the earth isn't much older than about 6,000 years.

For your topic - the flood occurred about 1600 years after the creation.

Hello Kan,

The dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. The basis of their  dating methodology leaves thousands of years more (if not double) to be added to the estimated numbers of years of the  event of the Flood (6K) at the time Noah set foot on this  present planet of ours. 

Below you will find the empirical evidence for the SUDDEN arrival of Human Farmers on this Planet. It happened some 10k + - years ago EXACTLY where God told us it did in Gen 8:4, in the mountains of Ararat. Notice that Big Lake which is between Mt. Ararat and the Center of the Fertile  Crescent. Also notice the date when this event happened. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

The valleys just SW of these mountains are in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Earth. The FIRST  Human farming, city building, and  ALL of the traits of modern Humans began in this area.  

Gen 10:10 shows that the great grandsons of Noah BUILT these first Human cities, some of which are still standing. The important part is that  HISTORY agrees,  leaving the False assumption of Evolutionism is the odd man out, since it has NOT noticed this event.

God bless

Ancient Mankind on this earth changed from Prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the  Mountains of Ararat.

The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity on this planet was inherited from  Noah' grand children, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of  God (Prehistoric Men) and    produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.

This event took place some 10K years ago, and History agrees with Scripture.  Evolutionism is Odd Man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture nor could produce evidence that we evolved from "Apes".

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html

Gen. 6:1-5 shows that the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) married the daughter of men (Human), and their offspring were mighty men of old. These men  inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam, but were wicked, and unbelieving. Their violent nature caused the destruction of the 1st world. Gen. 6:13

Gen. 6:4 calls these men giants of the 1st world and also indicates that this union between them and Adam's descendants, would happen again,  this time, on our own world. "And also after that" is prophecy that the sons of God and the descendants of  Adam would unite again, after the union of the 1st world - which was totally destroyed by the flood.

Gen. 10:8 fulfills the prophecy of Gen. 6:4 - after Noah' Ark arrived here in our own world - and Cush marries a woman whose ancestors also  originated in the water. Cush, like Cain, had No one to marry, except the beings we call prehistoric people.

Gen. 10:8 “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty one on earth.

The result of this union produced intellectual giants like Nimrod, who built the 1st Cities of on this Planet. History agrees. The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 200k years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from  Adam.

The final result of the mixing of Adam's descendants and prehistoric man ALSO produced violent, unbelieving humans of today, and 

doomed this world to destruction. ll Peter 3:10

God bless

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd  man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. 

You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4

Today's Evols are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons  had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past 10k years Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

There was but ONE way to scatter Humanity over the face of this whole Earth from Babel. All the LORD had to do was scatter the descendants of   Noah, who were the ONLY Humans on this Earth at the time, and Adam's unique Human intelligence would naturally spread  to the point where there are more than 7 Billion Humans on Earth  today. Yes, we are all descents with modification within our own kinds (mankind). 

This gives the maximum of Humans who have a free choice to believe what God told us in Genesis, or to believe the Lies of Satan. God is filling the 3rd Heaven with believers Today. He will NOT rest until it is filled.

God bless

1 hour ago, Kan said:

I don't know how old you are, but with experience you learn not to be contentious if you can help it. Truth is confronting, but we have to remember how long it takes us to learn, and how patient the Lord is. We are saved by His patience, if nothing else.

It is not so much what we say but how we say it. In writing, it is even more difficult to communicate. But we get the time to choose our words carefully, to avoid dispute and misunderstanding. Nobody likes to be told they are wrong, let alone going to hell. And honestly, what is the point of shelving someone like that?

I am prone to be emotive and inappropriate all the time and it is good practice to state what you want to say without telling someone who they are, or what they ought to be thinking. It sure helps to be in the company of people who have much better social graces.

Avoid saying things like "the Holy Spirit has taught me." Why? It is best to let the reader judge that, because if it is of God they will recognize it in the Bible. And if they don't, then we have to accept we may be wrong, or wait for them to get it, or have the patience to pursue the topic from another angle. Many on this forum have already pointed out that one of the signs that someone is not led by the Holy Spirit is an immediate claim to it. And they are right, because the Holy Spirit enables a person to present Jesus Christ in an attractive way, and to honor that Name. 

 

Well, just so you know, my friend, English is my second language. Therefore, try to understand, there might be words that I choose, to explain my position, that could very well be offensive to others.... and still, might not have known about it. If so, just let me know.

However, there are times, I get emotional when attacked personally, just because, I differ from their traditional views, thus, I return their own medicine right away. I am still learning though.... how to be cool when personally attacked. ....... It's a long process, but, with God' help, I am open to new things and revelations.

God bless

P.S. I am a retired person.... perhaps, old enough to be your grandfather. 

1 hour ago, Kan said:

Further study will show that the Bible does not say that God the Father provided materials (as we know) for His Son. All materials, and even the invisible powers of the universe, as well as principalities and dominions, thrones etc are all created by the Son. Nevertheless, the concept of the Father providing for the Son is true, only it does not involve materials, which the Son alone makes.

I think you understand that there is a partnership where all three Persons of the godhead are fully involved in creation, and that there is an order of how it is done. Perhaps we could talk about it on another thread, as we are discussing the flood.

 Dear Kan,

Yes, could do that, however, let’s concentrate on the topic of this thread for the meantime. 

Obviously, most Christians do Not agree with me, but they see that I support my views with Scripture, but most have Never been taught what I post. In   time, they accept me, but cling to the ideas they have been taught.

As I have posted on the other thread (Genesis - From a Different Perspective - where I got banned participating) I love to see other  Christian's views, for that is the way we learn .

The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action. When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know the Truth.

God bless

40 minutes ago, Kan said:

Basically you are saying that God is indebted to some material to create, which is contrary to the prerogatives of Divinity. The Bible states "He is before all things" - speaking about Jesus Christ as creator.

Everything was made in six days, and so creation begins on the first day, and not before as thousands think today.

Dear Kan,

No, I am not suggesting that. Here's what I am saying...

The Invisible Almighty God Father first Created the elements needed in order for his Son to Physically Make/Form the heavens and the earth with his own hands. 

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground).  And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon  the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The Son was brought forth into the physical world from the invisible realm of the Father in order for the Son to defeat the Darkness (death) that was upon the face of the Deep and give life to all physical thing that He will create and make.

YHWH, the Son, is the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. Isa 43:10 In Him (YHWH) is the fullness of Godhead, bodily.

The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form and changes not.

God bless