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Rev 12:1-5 has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. The woman is Israel iam. Isa 50:1 This is what the LORD says: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away. Jer 3:8 Because faithless Israel had committed adultery, I gave her a certificate of divorce and sent her away. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear and prostituted herself as well. Ah but they are. The Great Sign is just that, it's a sign and all signs point to an event in the future. The event is rapture and the 70th week. The church was conceived through Israel (our mother) at Pentecost 2000 years ago. The word harpazo is in no relation to Jesus iam, the church is the one being caught up to His throne. God bless.

Rev 12:1-5 has nothing to do with dead people or Joseph's family in Gen 37. These passages are world's apart.

iam, do I have to spell it out for you. does Satan and the devil not use the antichrist spirit in people to fulfill his agenda? When did I ever deny this, Rev 12:7-9.

Well let me ask you this, if not Jupiter in the womb for 42 weeks how else would God fulfill the Great Sign??????? The last trump in 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4 is not in reference to the 7th trump. The trumpets and bowls are God's wrath, and the church is not appointed to wrath.

Yes, in Rev 12:5!!! She gave birth to a son, a male child, who "will rule all the nations with an iron scepter." And her child was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

iam, being anointed on your daily walk has nothing to do with conception or birth.

As we can see in Matt 7:15-23, Jesus lays the foundation for Grace salvation and rebukes works as a method to enter the kingdom. Below are scriptures detailing the difference between sheep and wolves, sheep as in a reference to believers and wolves/goats as nonbelievers. If anyone has any questions about the passages below, let me know. Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. Matt 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. Jhn 10:1-10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. Jhn 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.” Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. Acts 20:25-29 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." Heb 13:20-22 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 22Brothers and sisters, I urge you to bear with my word of exhortation, for in fact I have written to you quite briefly. God bless.

Jesus was not taken by force, He rose in victory. Right, and those added to the body of Christ and sealed is in reference to individual conception!!! 1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception) 2. Individual conception seed inside the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9) 3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5 God bless

Is Virgo not a constellation of the south? God can use whatever planet He wants to fulfill His prophecies iam. Job 9:9 He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south. Job 38:32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=-BBQW8joDM_k_AamxbaIDg&q=constellations+of+the+southern+hemisphere&oq=constellations+of+the+south&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.620.4672.0.6137.21.20.0.0.0.0.165.1790.18j2.20.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.20.1787.0..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1.0.qKLn6lKBQHM Right, and the seven heads and ten horns represent nations and kings and the one world order that is coming to this filthy planet. 1Jo 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 1Jo 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 1Jo 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 2Jo 1:7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. What scripture points to mid-trib rapture??

iam, Rev 12 has corporate application and is referring to the generation we are in now. It does not have singular application and is not referring to events 2000 years ago. 1. Israel - The woman (corporate) 2. The body of Christ - The child (corporate) 3. The Antichrist system in Rev 13 - The Red dragon (corporate) Was Jupiter in the womb for 42 weeks while the moon under her feet with a crown of 12 stars? No. Look again. iam, John in Rev 12:1-5 is writing about the birth of the church through first resurrection and rapture. Rev 4-22 has nothing to do with biblical characters 2000 years. It is only referring to end times events in which we are in now. No, the body of Christ was conceived in the upper room. When John is referring to being "born again" in John 3:3 he is referring to individual conception through the seed. Remember not to confuse corporate conception with individual conception. You also need to take into account that Paul felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8, because he hadn't received his resurrected body yet. 1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception) 2. Individual conception seed inside the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9) 3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5 That's right, he will not devour the church because we will be harpazo'd before Satan falls to earth. Rev 12:4-5 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”a And her child was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Rev 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. iam, i'm sorry but again no. Rom 8 and 2 Cor 5 are in reference to our resurrected bodies which we will receive at first resurrection and rapture. Did you miss Rom 8:23? Rom 8:22-25 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. 2 Cor 5:1-5 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. These two passages are also referring to our resurrected bodies. I want you to notice the words mortal and immortality and also being swallowed up in both passages below..... 1 Cor 15:50-54 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 2 Cor 5:1-5 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. No, the Dragon is a description of the Antichrist System inside the 70th week, iam. Notice the description of the seven heads and ten horns below... Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Rev 13:1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. Rev 17:3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. Here is a picture of what he saw.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rev+12:1-5+picture&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA0MbHhKrcAhVENd8KHaVCDoIQsAQIKA&biw=1396&bih=662#imgrc=Tul6rMisMhbP_M:

iam, you're grasping at straws. Jesus was not taken by force or obtained by robbery. These are the descriptions of the church being taken in rapture. When Jesus comes for His church He is coming like a thief to the world, via obtained by robbery. 1Th 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 1Th 5:4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. Rev 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away Original Word: ἁρπάζω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: harpazó Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo) Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery. That the body of Christ has been in gestation for 2000 years up until now. The birth of the church is the first resurrection and rapture.

And there's been believers in Christ that are not catholic who have gone back 2000 years in Stellarium and 100 years in the future and have not found the Rev 12:1-5 alignment. The most accurate alignment was on 9/23/17. So Rev 12:1 is in reference to Gen 37:9, and Rev 12:2-5 is in reference to the birth of Jesus and King Herod in the NT and Rev 12:6-17 is in reference to the 70th week. What does Joseph and his family have to do with the birth of Jesus and King Herod and the 70th week?? ? No RM, Rev 12:1-5 has nothing to do with a birth and/or of Jesus 2000 years ago. Always remember, conception comes before birth. Israel birthed Jesus - Incorrect Israel conceived the Church - Correct There are 3 stages to the process of conception and birth.. 1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception) 2. Individual conception seed inside the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9) 3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5 Consider that Paul even felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8. Also consider the travail of the Lord's body below... Isa 53:11 He shall see the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Rom 8:22-25 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. 2 Cor 5:1-5 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, Rev 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. God bless

No, the word for Jesus ascension in Acts 1:9 is "epairó", and the word in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 is "harpazo". These words have two different meanings in context, a lifting up in victory vs being snatched away through a rescue. Jesus didn't need to be snatched away like a thief because He already defeated the devil. The word "analambanó" in Acts 1:2 is translated "to raise", as to raise in victory because it is finished at the cross. Well, that's what tradition teaches, but how often has tradition been right? There are 3 stages to the process of conception and birth.. 1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception) 2. Individual conception seed inside the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9) 3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5 Consider that Paul even felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8. Also consider the travail of the Lord's body below... Isa 53:11 He shall see the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Rom 8:22-25 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. 2 Cor 5:1-5 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, Rev 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. God bless

Not interested in the blood moon tetrad landing on Jewish Holidays in 2014-15, or the 7 Feasts of the Lord? Diaste, there are no scriptures that are in reference to the church being here inside the 70th week. That's why the gleanings are referred to as "the left behind". Rev 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest (loipos) of her offspring--those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. loipos: the rest, the remaining Original Word: λοιπός, ή, όν Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: loipos Phonetic Spelling: (loy-poy') Short Definition: left, left behind, the remainder Definition: left, left behind, the remainder, the rest, the others. Reaching? No, I'm pointing out Greek words in Acts 1:2. When it says "raise" believe it, don't discard it. Well, that's what tradition teaches, but how often has tradition been right? There are 3 stages to the process of conception and birth.. 1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception) 2. Individual conception seed inside the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9) 3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5 Consider that Paul even felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8. Also consider the travail of the Lord's body below... Isa 53:11 He shall see the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Rom 8:22-25 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. 2 Cor 5:1-5 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, Rev 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. No, enduring to the end is also in reference to the gleanings (trib saints) and martyrdom, dying for Christ under the 5th seal. God bless.

Hey RM, where's the pregnant woman about to give birth in Gen 37? Rachel had already died in Gen 35. Where's the Red Dragon and the Harpazo in Gen 37? Jesus birth and ascension and King Herod is all in the NT, not the OT. Well of course the catholics debunk the sign. They have about as much knowledge on scripture than a trash can.

Right, and the word harpazo is also in Rev 12:5. Is John not connecting the head with the body through first resurrection and rapture. If you understand that the church was conceived at Pentecost 2000 years ago, then it all makes sense. First resurrection and rapture is the birth of the church, to simplify it. Yes, the last days and end times are what we're in now. I believe the church consists of those who were born again since the beginning of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4) all the way up until now. God bless.

No, the days cut short is in reference to them not exceeding past the 70th week. Are not the 7 Feasts of the Lord applicable for end times, via the second coming landing on the Day of Atonement? So 3.5 years doesn't really mean 3.5 years in Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7, Dan 12:12, Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2, Rev 12:6, Rev 13:5? ?

Watch for better understanding... youtube(dot)com/watch?v=ICZmfGLnjuc Mixing two words like these for example is not proper exegesis. What you do not understand is that there wasn't any force in His ascension, and there were no thief-like actions in Acts 1. Actually, in Acts 1:2 the word "analambanó" does mean to raise. Acts 1:2 until the day he was taken up (analambanó) to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. analambanó: to take up, raise Original Word: ἀναλαμβάνω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: analambanó Phonetic Spelling: (an-al-am-ban'-o) Short Definition: I take up, raise Definition: I take up, raise; I pick up, take on board; I carry off, lead away. No, the church was conceived through Israel at Pentecost 2000 years ago, Acts 2:1-4. The birth is the first resurrection and rapture. And who is the one that overcomes, is it the one that believes in the death, burial and resurrection? 1Jo 5:4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 1Jo 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. God bless

RM, the entire chapter of Rev 12 is referring to the generation we are in now, including the great sign. By using Huios and Teknon, John is connecting the head with the body through first resurrection and rapture. I'm sorry you can't see this. 1 Thess 5:5 You are all children (huios) of the light and children (huios) of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. It's funny how the planets know to align with the stars, even disappearing as the morning sky appears. Coincidence? No. ? The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector 9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Or maybe the time of the Gentiles is at the end of the 70th week, Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Because the entire context of Rev 12 is in reference to prophecy and the 70th week of Daniel, not Martha sitting on her back porch with her child drinking tea. The word "harpazo" in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 is in reference to end times application. God bless.

Diaste, Jesus comes like a thief to the world, so how does He come like a thief when nonbelievers can simply countdown to His second coming (1260, 1290, 1335 days)? or even 1260 days from the AofD? Isn't being obtained by robbery the same as coming like a thief? ? harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away Original Word: ἁρπάζω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: harpazó Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo) Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery. 1Th 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 1Th 5:4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. Rev 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

No, the timing is in Rev 12:5, and Matt 24:31 is not a harpazo, it's a episunagó which represents the gleanings (trib saints). The main harvest are not the gleanings. These are two different groups of people separated by 7 years. This is where people have a hard time interpreting Rev 12:1-5, is right here. The word for Jesus ascension in Acts 1:9 is "epairó", and the word in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 is "harpazo". These words have two different meanings in context, a lifting up in victory vs being snatched away through a rescue. Jesus didn't need to be snatched away because He already defeated the devil. If these passages occurred 2,000 years ago and is only about Jesus then why didn't John use the word "huios" in all three circumstances below. I believe John is describing the child being born as the church (the body of Christ). Even Paul said he felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8 because he hadn't received his resurrected body yet, and as we can see in Rev 2:26-27, Rev 12:5 the church is being mentioned here as ruling with Christ with an iron scepter. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon) the moment he was born. 5She gave birth to a son (huios), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon) was snatched up to God and to his throne. God bless.

RM, the word "teknon" is a reference to the church, not Jesus Christ. Who is calling planets stars? Preaching for 90 years has nothing to do with understanding context. ?

MID-TRIB Rev 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, Rev 11:13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.