Heb 13:8

Then why does John use huios and teknon to describe the child. If it was Jesus only, why didn't he just use huios?

Not sure what this means, can you clarify.

Because there is none.

How do you interpret it Cobalt. Can you fill in the blanks for me? Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. So Jesus gives the wise men the star of Bethlehem at His birth, but the Rev 12:1-5 sign isn't about His 2nd coming? 1. Blood moon tetrad on Jewish holidays 2014/2015 2. Total solar eclipse on 8/21/17 3. Rev 12:1-5 sign on 9/23/17 Luke 21:25-28 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Where did John see the other sign? In heaven, the same place where the sun, moon and stars exist, and the same place where Rev 12:1-5 sign is.

1897, 1917, 1947, 1967, 2017 are all important Israel dates and Jubilee's 1897 + 120 = 2017 Gen 6:3 Fig Tree Generation - 1947 + 70 years = 2017 Psa 90:10, Matt 24:32-35 Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel all point to a woman in labor Isa 13:6-8, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-9, Jer 30:6-7, Jer 49:24, (Micah 5:2-4 / Verse 2 Time of Jesus / Verse 3 Church Age / Verse 4 Millennium), 1 Thess 5:1-3 The Rev 12:1-5 sign also points to rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel (Rev 12:1-5 woman in labor giving birth) Side Note: 1 Jubilee = 50 years (1.) From Adam to Noah (Flood) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Seed) (2.) Abraham to Christ (Cross) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Young Plant) (3.) Christ to now 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Harvest) (4.) 40 x 3 = 120 Jubilees -- 2000 x 3 = 6000 years -- Gen 6:3 - Heb 13:8

I would disagree. A poster here said "see you on the 24th, this is going to be fun". What would you like me to explain. What part of Rev 12:1-5 are you having trouble with? - Heb 13:8

It's ok. Do you see the church being conceived on Pentecost 2000 years ago and then being birthed through rapture? Think about how I was born in (year not given). I was conceived first nine months prior, then I was in gestation for nine months, and then I was birthed. Well, it's the same process with the body of Christ (the church). The church was conceived 2000 years ago at Pentecost, has been in gestation for 2000 years up until now, and is now ready to be birthed through the rapture event 2000 years later. God is also using this concept in the heavens where the sun, moon, stars, planets and constellations are, thus we are given Rev 12:1-5. Jupiter entered Virgo's womb in November of 2016 (conception), has been in gestation up until now, and will be birthed in September of 2017 (42 weeks in the womb). God Bless you. - Heb 13:8

What scripture am I ignoring. God Bless. But Rev 12:1-5 is coming to pass on 9/23/17, which is future.

other one, always remember context first. these are the end times in which we are living in right now. Rev 12:5 is a reference to the head and body being joined together. (other one), Jesus was already born 2,000 years ago. His part is done, finished, over. Rev 12:5 is not referring to past events. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities; Israel (the woman), the antichrist system (the red dragon also in Rev chapter 13) and the body of Christ (the child being born). This is a future prophecy in regards to the body of Christ being born through rapture. Scripture does not use the word "harpazo" to describe Jesus ascension. "Harpazo" is for the church only.

Scoffers are very much biblical. Can you show me where I am wrong there. Asking me what is going to happen Saturday is like asking me what you should do with your pets.

Rev 12:5 is a reference to the head and body being joined together. 11:36, Jesus was already born 2,000 years ago. His part is done, finished, over. Rev 12:5 is not referring to past events. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities; Israel (the woman), the antichrist system (the red dragon also in Rev chapter 13) and the body of Christ (the child being born). This is a future prophecy in regards to the body of Christ being born through rapture. Scripture does not use the word "harpazo" to describe Jesus ascension. "Harpazo" is for the church only. Rev 12:5 is a reference to the head and body being joined together. Yowm, Jesus was already born 2,000 years ago. His part is done, finished, over. Rev 12:5 is not referring to past events. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities; Israel (the woman), the antichrist system (the red dragon also in Rev chapter 13) and the body of Christ (the child being born). This is a future prophecy in regards to the body of Christ being born through rapture. Scripture does not use the word "harpazo" to describe Jesus ascension. "Harpazo" is for the church only.

Who is the child?

2 Peter 3:4 It's actually really easy. Rev 12:5 is a reference to the head and body being joined together. Cobalt, Jesus was already born 2,000 years ago. His part is done, finished, over. Rev 12:5 is not referring to past events. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities; Israel (the woman), the antichrist system (the red dragon also in Rev chapter 13) and the body of Christ (the child being born). This is a future prophecy in regards to the body of Christ being born through rapture. Scripture does not use the word "harpazo" to describe Jesus ascension. "Harpazo" is for the church only. What is going to happen? We wait on God Cobalt. Planet X - youtube / watch?v=ZuT0oy4p6P0

Hi Cobalt. No, scripture doesn't go into detail about when the red dragon/planet x/antichrist system appears.

Ok, but I have a question for you too. Is the woman giving birth this year or another year? If nothing happens then I continue to study the Word.

The sign of Rev 12:1-5 is being fulfilled. I have a question for you. If this is not the Rev 12:1-5 sign in the heavens, then when, where and how do you see it being fulfilled? - Heb 13:8

Coming from someone who thinks Rev 12:1-5 is about Jesus birth, and yet it's being fulfilled on 9/23/17?

Ok, so what is your interpretation. Fill in the blanks the way you see it.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Thank you.

So to clarify, you deny Rev 12:1-5. God bless.

1 Thess 5:20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt exoutheneó: to despise, treat with contempt Original Word: ἐξουθενέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: exoutheneó Phonetic Spelling: (ex-oo-then-eh'-o) Short Definition: I ignore, despise Definition: I set at naught, ignore, despise. God Bless.

Oh there's a baby alright.. Rev 12:1-5 is not a crazy theory, it's in the Word of God Yowm. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. God Bless.

2,000 years of brainwashing, believing the church was born and not conceived at Pentecost. I can see how it would be confusing.. No shiloh, it's not. It's referring to all those who come to faith in Jesus Christ, which is the body of Christ. Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. Gal 6:16 May God's peace and mercy be upon all who live by this principle; they are the new people of God. 2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come! Actually, this passage is a clear depiction of the woman giving birth, first resurrection, rapture, and God's wrath (the 70th week.). The word "rooms" in Hebrew here is translated "chamber"... http://www.bridalcovenant.com/wedding1.html Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. Isa 50:1 em: a mother Original Word: אֵם Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: em Phonetic Spelling: (ame) Short Definition: mother Micah 5:3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor bears a son, and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites. I'm sure you did.

God put Rev 12:1-5 in the stars on 9/23/17. The sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations are for signs, times, days, years, seasons Gen 1:14, Job 38:31-32, Psa 19:1-6, Psa 104:19, Psa 136:7, Isa 40:26, Luke 21:25-28 If only people would study more, there would be less confusion. 1 Thess 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Rev 12:4-5 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. You mean "child of God"? (1.) Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman), Gal 4:26, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14-17, Gal 3:26, Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5 (2.) The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5 The word "harpazo" is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5. Harpazo is for the church only. God Bless.

One of the greatest deceptions the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that the church was born at Pentecost, not conceived. Gal 6:16 is referring to believers. Isa 26:18 is a rapture scripture describing the birth of the church that is soon to come. The Holy Spirit that indwells all believers shiloh. A student of the Hebrew language that cannot decipher the head and body study. In this late hour that we are in either you get it or you don't. Conception comes before birth. The conception of the church occurred at Pentecost, and the birth of the church is rapture. Ephratah is also metaphorical language for Israel being God's wife and our mother. Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8 specifically states that Jesus Christ divorced Israel 2000 years ago and that Israel is the mother. But Jesus Christ is not giving up on Israel. Israel will be punished for their sins, which is the time of Jacob's trouble (the 70th week). In the end Israel will accept their Messiah on the Day of Atonement at the end of the 70th week. Micah 5:3 is referring to right now. Israel has been pregnant for 9 months. Jupiter entered Virgo's womb in November of 2016. Israel is our mother, and she has been pregnant with the body of Christ up until now. Micah 5:3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor bears a son, and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites. No, Rev 12:5 is a reference to the head and body being joined together. shiloh, Jesus was already born 2,000 years ago. His part is done, finished, over. Rev 12:5 is not referring to past events. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities; Israel (the woman), the antichrist system (the red dragon also in Rev chapter 13) and the body of Christ (the child being born). This is a future prophecy in regards to the body of Christ being born through rapture. Scripture does not use the word "harpazo" to describe Jesus ascension. "Harpazo" is for the church only. Well, if you study the word "teknon", it's a plural reference to a body of people. Who else is harpazo'd in Rev 12:5 if not the church? Please study your Greek before calling people false.

Where is the church? In Rev 12:4 and also Rev 12:5, teknon.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Somebody should tell that guy on the website that the rapture and the second coming are 7 years apart. Somebody should tell that guy on the website that the word "harpazo" and "teknon" is only meant for the church and is in Rev 12:5 No, that's wrong. Rev 12:1-5 sign is future, not past. Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17.